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Post by stevep on Aug 31, 2020 11:04:22 GMT
Possibly but I very much doubt a cruiser would mix it with a force including a BB. Unless there was a genuine case if mistaken identity, which might well be the case if there was fog or other bad weather. If they did fire 1st however Roosevelt has his Casus belli and the US is in the European war ~3 months earlier, although possibly with markedly less public support than after Pearl OTL. However as I understand it at this point Hitler was still giving orders to avoid a clash with the US pretty much at all costs. [Think he was still assuming that the Soviets would collapse and also didn't know of course that there would be war in the Pacific, or how dramatic early Japanese successes would be.]
I do remember that somebody on The Naval Fiction Board wrote a TL about the United States going after Bismarck if I remember it right.
That rings a bell although I've read relatively little there recently. There was a discussion on the main board a few months ago if Bismarck had got through Denmark Strait without damage then run into one of the US neutrality patrols and fighting had occurred. Last week IIRC how either Bismarck or Tirpitz would have done in a clash with one of the US Colorado class ships.
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Post by stevep on Aug 31, 2020 11:25:57 GMT
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Quick comment on today's US Navy post. Surprised that the US had a rum ration, although I assume this was a left over from the British period. Also that they banned spirits that early as I had assumed it was related to prohibition.
On the WWII thread
Very interesting situation. Also that at this stage Britain is doing better than Italy in the Med. However the number of U boats in the Atlantic is rising despite losing 4 and the RN now has to consider the route to Murmansk.
The section on mining sounds off. If its the lowest point in the war then how can August 43 be lower? Or do you mean the lowest point so far in the war?
Slightly further down you have
Just to clarify please. Is the Bolzano included in the ~50,000 tons sunk or in the damaged shipping?
Tried combining entries for the two threads into one post as it might be simpler but if you prefer them separate please let me know.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 31, 2020 14:33:29 GMT
Lordroel Quick comment on today's US Navy post. Surprised that the US had a rum ration, although I assume this was a left over from the British period. Also that they banned spirits that early as I had assumed it was related to prohibition. On the WWII thread
Very interesting situation. Also that at this stage Britain is doing better than Italy in the Med. However the number of U boats in the Atlantic is rising despite losing 4 and the RN now has to consider the route to Murmansk. The section on mining sounds off. If its the lowest point in the war then how can August 43 be lower? Or do you mean the lowest point so far in the war? Slightly further down you have
Just to clarify please. Is the Bolzano included in the ~50,000 tons sunk or in the damaged shipping?
Tried combining entries for the two threads into one post as it might be simpler but if you prefer them separate please let me know. Steve
No problem stevep about combining stuff. About the cruiser Bolzano, seems my troll made a mistake, Italian cruiser Bolzano was not sunk in 1941 but on 1944, thus the number of tonnage sunk does not include here. |
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Post by stevep on Sept 1, 2020 12:29:28 GMT
On today's USN post it says:
Very dubious about this as that would imply it was the USN that was solely escorting convoys over that region but that wasn't the case. However checking see Neutrality_Patrol_Convoy_escort, which mentions the US Neutrality Zone being expanded - Roosevelt agreeing to do this in the Newfoundland meeting with Churchill in August i.e.
So I suspect they were referring to that. US forces started engaging U boats in this area and the US declared that Axis warships entered at their own risk. However the bulk of the escort activity was still by British and Canadian forces.
Ah, reading the WWII post today it has more on this.
As such its possibly a question of semantics/grammar rather than hard fact.
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I like it. 
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Post by stevep on Sept 2, 2020 11:00:41 GMT
One minor quibble with the USN post. You have a couple of entries out of time sequence, i.e.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 2, 2020 11:24:29 GMT
One minor quibble with the USN post. You have a couple of entries out of time sequence, i.e.
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Post by stevep on Sept 5, 2020 11:13:45 GMT
A small typo in today's WWII post.
I think there's a by missing here.
Also
In hindsight I wonder if this was a mistake by Roosevelt. Its unlikely to avoid war but might give Konoye and the more moderate [less hawkish] elements of the Japanese government enough influence to delay things and even a week or so might have some lasting impacts.
Interesting the reported anger of Hirohito later on in the post. If this is genuine and not a post-war fiction to give him a better image its a pity he didn't continue with the approach, or simply some of the generals and politicians actually listen to him.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 5, 2020 11:48:07 GMT
A small typo in today's WWII post.
I think there's a by missing here.
Also
In hindsight I wonder if this was a mistake by Roosevelt. Its unlikely to avoid war but might give Konoye and the more moderate [less hawkish] elements of the Japanese government enough influence to delay things and even a week or so might have some lasting impacts. Interesting the reported anger of Hirohito later on in the post. If this is genuine and not a post-war fiction to give him a better image its a pity he didn't continue with the approach, or simply some of the generals and politicians actually listen to him. Steve
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Post by stevep on Sept 6, 2020 12:53:25 GMT
I think this is what's know as victor's justice, especially when the victor is someone like Stalin. 
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Post by stevep on Sept 7, 2020 15:59:10 GMT
This bit from today's WWII post sounds odd to me.
Given the superior firepower of the Nigeria over a training ship I wonder why it would ram, which means getting to actual contact distance. Suspect that this was more an accident, possibly due to very poor visibility and/or extreme weather rather than intent.
Checking the ship's wiki entry this says that at the tail end of the Spitsbergen mission.
While the entry for Bremse says
As such its unclear but I suspect that a modern [for the time] cruiser is unlikely to need to get into ramming range so I would think the damage is more likely to be from a mine. However it does seem to be unclear.
Site wartimememoriesproject.com/ww2/ships/ship.php?pid=78 also suggests it was probably a mine - can't cut and paste but core sentence is "During this action Nigeria sank the training ship Bremse but suffered severe damage to the bow, possibly having detonated a mine."
Which has her sink Bremse by gunfire but ram an escort in the confusion!
again reports a suspected mine.
As such shows how even an incident in a naval battle in WWII where the ship involved, HMS Nigeria, wasn't sunk and returned home can have differing suggestions as to how the bow damage occurred.
Anyway an interesting search but don't know what the actual occurrence was.
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Post by stevep on Sept 8, 2020 12:59:12 GMT
On the WWI post today
Its one of the problems of human society that parasites will always seek to put their interests 1st regardless of what wider concerns are going on.
On the WWII post today
Do you know the basis for this report please? Given that only 95 a/c took part, some of which won't be as capable as later a/c and the dire accuracy of BC especially at this stage of the war I wonder if this is a BC report on the raid rather than an actual factual summary of heavy damage.
Good to see the Mossies getting ready to bite a couple of paragraphs down through. 
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Post by lordroel on Sept 8, 2020 13:17:34 GMT
Do you know the basis for this report please? Given that only 95 a/c took part, some of which won't be as capable as later a/c and the dire accuracy of BC especially at this stage of the war I wonder if this is a BC report on the raid rather than an actual factual summary of heavy damage. Did some checking but at this moment I have found nothing about this raid of wich my scource speaks of, I will check some more if I can find the information about the raid. |
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Post by stevep on Sept 8, 2020 14:42:25 GMT
Do you know the basis for this report please? Given that only 95 a/c took part, some of which won't be as capable as later a/c and the dire accuracy of BC especially at this stage of the war I wonder if this is a BC report on the raid rather than an actual factual summary of heavy damage. Did some checking but at this moment I have found nothing about this raid of wich my scource speaks of, I will check some more if I can find the information about the raid.
Thanks. Plus I was forgetting your on holiday. Don't spend too much time on it please. I strongly suspect its more a wishful interpretation from BC than actual fact.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 8, 2020 14:45:03 GMT
Did some checking but at this moment I have found nothing about this raid of wich my scource speaks of, I will check some more if I can find the information about the raid. Thanks. Plus I was forgetting your on holiday. Don't spend too much time on it please. I strongly suspect its more a wishful interpretation from BC than actual fact.
No problem stevep, I am able to everything that I can do with my iPhone while still being on holiday. |
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Post by stevep on Sept 10, 2020 10:21:37 GMT
On today's WWII post there is a small typo at:
Think this 1st tank is superfluous.
See Stalin is still thinking control is more important than fighting efficiency. Holding Kiev a little longer at huge costs is a lot less effective than withdrawing a lot of the men and equipment so they can continue to fight the already overstretched Germans.
Gods that's a bloody battle for SC42. Not sure who won as 16 vessels is a heavy loss but taking out two U boats is very useful.
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