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Post by lordroel on Jun 26, 2020 13:31:43 GMT
Also it would be stuck in the Baltic's if the war broke out, do not think they would try to run here towards the North Sea and then towards Murmansk. Very likely. However I don't think they would have the facilities to construct such huge ships in the north or Pacific so its either the Baltic and/or the Black Sea - IIRC there were some hulls laid down there as well. The Black sea has even greater problems with the Turkish straits and then their stuck in the Med. Basically the reason why a Russian/Soviet navy always had limited impact in general as opposed to local wars and why the state has always sought to gain ice free ports to the wider oceans.
Mind you if completed ships were sent to the Arctic Fleet say in peacetime they would need additional facilities there to enable them to operate there. That would be pretty expensive and maintaining them in an Arctic climate is another issue.
Well it seems stevep and 1bigrich (sorry for the tag) that in 1950 the Unites States toughed she still would enter into service, found this called the Soviet Navy of the future, depicted by GH Davis in Popular Mechanics, July 1950, depicting a "Sovetsky Soyuz"-class battleship and new destroyer and sub classes.  |
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Post by 1bigrich on Jun 28, 2020 3:35:12 GMT
Well it seems stevep and 1bigrich (sorry for the tag) that in 1950 the Unites States toughed she still would enter into service, found this called the Soviet Navy of the future, depicted by GH Davis in Popular Mechanics, July 1950, depicting a "Sovetsky Soyuz"-class battleship and new destroyer and sub classes.
The image is reminiscent of the K-1000 Battleship that the West often thought the Soviets were building in secret. It even appeared im am issuie of Jane's.
Second paragraph in this link
K-1000 was distinct in having missile launchers in domes behind the big-gun turrets
Edit: I should add, the Soviets did have a dis-information campaign in the West promoting the idea that they were building K-1000 somewhere....
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Post by lordroel on Jun 28, 2020 8:09:37 GMT
Well it seems stevep and 1bigrich (sorry for the tag) that in 1950 the Unites States toughed she still would enter into service, found this called the Soviet Navy of the future, depicted by GH Davis in Popular Mechanics, July 1950, depicting a "Sovetsky Soyuz"-class battleship and new destroyer and sub classes. The image is reminiscent of the K-1000 Battleship that the West often thought the Soviets were building in secret. It even appeared im am issuie of Jane's.
Second paragraph in this link K-1000 was distinct in having missile launchers in domes behind the big-gun turrets Edit: I should add, the Soviets did have a dis-information campaign in the West promoting the idea that they were building K-1000 somewhere....
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Post by stevep on Jun 28, 2020 10:22:10 GMT
lordroel , On today's WWI thread you have:
Since the forces are coming from East Africa should it come under that heading rather than SW Africa? I was a bit puzzled as neither border Rhodesia but thinking of what was referred to as southern Rhodesia and later declared UDI as the apartheid state. Forgetting that at this time the colony also included what's now Malawi and Zambia and the intrustion is into the latter.
Also it looks as if something is missing there as we seem to have two letters of a new sentence at the end?
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Post by stevep on Jun 28, 2020 10:31:52 GMT
On today's WWII thread you have
Should this be Russia/Soviets rather than Germany, or at war alongside Germany?
Also
Ironic that it attacks an ally. Especially since, as its some time before Britain goes to war with Finland, the ship would probably have made port safely unless it was intercepted as a blockade runner possibly.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 28, 2020 10:56:24 GMT
lordroel , On today's WWI thread you have:
Since the forces are coming from East Africa should it come under that heading rather than SW Africa? I was a bit puzzled as neither border Rhodesia but thinking of what was referred to as southern Rhodesia and later declared UDI as the apartheid state. Forgetting that at this time the colony also included what's now Malawi and Zambia and the intrustion is into the latter. Also it looks as if something is missing there as we seem to have two letters of a new sentence at the end? Steve
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Post by 1bigrich on Jun 28, 2020 22:57:54 GMT
Are those missile launch turrets.
I wouldn't call them turrets so much as launcher covers.
Since it was never built nor going to be built, I would assume the West thought the domes were to protect the launchers from weather and spray at sea.
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Post by stevep on Jun 29, 2020 11:24:26 GMT
lordroel , On the WWI thread today a comment but where Petain says
he is totally right and Joffe is being a fool to ignore him. Plus Joffe's logic is flawed in terms of helping Russia and liberating occupied France. By killing a lot of Germans France [and Britain] can take a lot of pressure off Russia, especially since Germany is going to be even more forced into something like Verdun than OTL. By not following that path the war will be extended and a lot more French [and allied] forces will die that would probably have lived. 
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Post by stevep on Jun 29, 2020 12:24:27 GMT
On today's WWII thread you have a section
That seems widely off. If ~1,000 were killed at Brest and just under 9,000 overall that's 1/9, i.e. 10+% of the German fatalities in this 1st week. Ah, having seen the adjacent video the guy there gives a 5% figure but he mentions markedly less German deaths, somewhere in the 600's which I suspect is the reason for the discrepancy?
Hadn't realised that the fortress put up such a tough fight, especially since it seems to have been relatively pointless for the Germans anyway as they gained the transport links they desired almost immediately. Sounds like they would have been better off simply besieging it out possibly with the heavy bombing that finally cracked the defences.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 29, 2020 12:56:43 GMT
On today's WWII thread you have a section
That seems widely off. If ~1,000 were killed at Brest and just under 9,000 overall that's 1/9, i.e. 10+% of the German fatalities in this 1st week. Ah, having seen the adjacent video the guy there gives a 5% figure but he mentions markedly less German deaths, somewhere in the 600's which I suspect is the reason for the discrepancy?
Hadn't realised that the fortress put up such a tough fight, especially since it seems to have been relatively pointless for the Germans anyway as they gained the transport links they desired almost immediately. Sounds like they would have been better off simply besieging it out possibly with the heavy bombing that finally cracked the defences. Steve
The Defense of the Brest Fortress began on of the first symbol of Soviet resistance with many to follow like the most famous one being the Siege of Stalingrad of course. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 30, 2020 13:52:39 GMT
lordroel , In today's USN thread there is this mention. I was a bit puzzled as I don't think there were ships called cruisers at this time. The nearest were the frigates, which often operated independently in a sort of cruiser role but were markedly bigger than a sloop so it was unlikely that the Peacock could seize the Nautilus.
Checking for the ship on wiki it goes to Cruizer-class_brig-sloop, which were a class of slightly smaller than normal sloops built in large numbers, 110 in total, during the Napoleonic wars. Cruizer was the name of one of the three in the 1st group constructed and seems to have become the class name so that's probably where the 'cruiser' comes from.
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Post by stevep on Jun 30, 2020 14:03:37 GMT
On today's WWI post you have in the Atlantic
Should that 2nd allies be Axis? The next para mentions 5 subs lost [4 German and 1 Italian and Italian MS lost in the Med so some success by the allies but shouldn't the latter be under the Med section?
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Post by stevep on Jun 30, 2020 14:07:56 GMT
lordroel ,
Sorry about this but me again. On the WWI thread you have
Assuming that neutrality should be minority?
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Post by lordroel on Jun 30, 2020 14:10:11 GMT
On today's WWI post you have in the Atlantic
Should that 2nd allies be Axis? The next para mentions 5 subs lost [4 German and 1 Italian and Italian MS lost in the Med so some success by the allies but shouldn't the latter be under the Med section? Steve
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Post by stevep on Jul 1, 2020 11:16:31 GMT
A couple of small issues with the WWII thread today.
a) You have one picture for the eastern front titled "Photo: Russia, tanks and soldiers on street" but their actually on a country road with wheat-fields either side.
b) A little below that you have
The title implies the Germans are killed and that does happen checking Wiki but you don't actually say this. Sounds a little incomplete as if there should be another sentence or two here?
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