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Post by stevep on Jun 23, 2020 18:15:56 GMT
Apologies for the slow response. A couple of small points on yesterday's WWII post.
a) You have a series of events at the start of the invasion of Russia
Are those times right as you have a couple out of sequence? I.e. it goes 0100, 0325, 0130, 0300 and 0630 hours. It just sounds a bit off.
b) On the major fighting front - not that little skirmish in Russia - you have:
Given how far Palmyra is from the border that's an hell of a retreat, especially since Habforce is back attacking the airfield the following day. Should this be "back towards Iraq"?
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Post by lordroel on Jun 23, 2020 18:21:56 GMT
Apologies for the slow response. A couple of small points on yesterday's WWII post. a) You have a series of events at the start of the invasion of Russia
Are those times right as you have a couple out of sequence? I.e. it goes 0100, 0325, 0130, 0300 and 0630 hours. It just sounds a bit off.
Think they are right, but a lot happen in those time so it could be out of order at some places.
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Post by stevep on Jun 24, 2020 9:04:58 GMT
Can I check on a point in today's WWII posts
Since its only the 3rd day of the war and I can't see any Lend-Lease material being supplied before the attack I find it unlikely that such a/c would be available to be attacked here. Possibly they were US a/c purchased by the Soviets but not L-L I would think at this stage.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 24, 2020 9:07:31 GMT
Can I check on a point in today's WWII posts
Since its only the 3rd day of the war and I can't see any Lend-Lease material being supplied before the attack I find it unlikely that such a/c would be available to be attacked here. Possibly they were US a/c purchased by the Soviets but not L-L I would think at this stage. Steve
Seems the troll was already a year ahead of schedule, will fix it.
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Post by stevep on Jun 25, 2020 8:50:10 GMT
On today's USN thread you have:
I rather suspect that should be Second rather than Spanish due to the timing, location and that Britain and France are involved.
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Post by stevep on Jun 25, 2020 9:07:15 GMT
On the WWI thread that was an interesting video from Indie. Given that he ended ip in Berlin and dedicated his memouoers to Kaiser Wilhem I get the feeling Czar Nicholas made a big mistake believing that Sukholominov wasn't an actual traitor. Knew there was a hell of a lot of corruption, incompetence and favouritism blighting the Russian military and state in general at this point but this sounds very much like treason and Nickolas made a serious mistake defending him so heavily. Never actually heard of this before so thanks for that.
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Post by stevep on Jun 26, 2020 9:41:14 GMT
On the WWI thread that was an interesting video from Indie. Given that he ended ip in Berlin and dedicated his memouoers to Kaiser Wilhem I get the feeling Czar Nicholas made a big mistake believing that Sukholominov wasn't an actual traitor. Knew there was a hell of a lot of corruption, incompetence and favouritism blighting the Russian military and state in general at this point but this sounds very much like treason and Nickolas made a serious mistake defending him so heavily. Never actually heard of this before so thanks for that.
Well your entry today raises a new version of the Sukhomlinov affair compared to what was said in the video. Makes it sound more like buck-passing and distrust of a less aristocratic 'newcomer' by the more reactionary elements - which were all too common in the Russian system. Have to see if there is a clear picture at the end what the truth is.
Did you see my comment above about the USN page and the "Spanish" Opium War only you didn't change that?
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Post by lordroel on Jun 26, 2020 9:59:17 GMT
On the WWI thread that was an interesting video from Indie. Given that he ended ip in Berlin and dedicated his memouoers to Kaiser Wilhem I get the feeling Czar Nicholas made a big mistake believing that Sukholominov wasn't an actual traitor. Knew there was a hell of a lot of corruption, incompetence and favouritism blighting the Russian military and state in general at this point but this sounds very much like treason and Nickolas made a serious mistake defending him so heavily. Never actually heard of this before so thanks for that.
Well your entry today raises a new version of the Sukhomlinov affair compared to what was said in the video. Makes it sound more like buck-passing and distrust of a less aristocratic 'newcomer' by the more reactionary elements - which were all too common in the Russian system. Have to see if there is a clear picture at the end what the truth is. Did you see my comment above about the USN page and the "Spanish" Opium War only you didn't change that? Steve
will change it, i toughed it was not wrong as i even Googled the "Spanish" Opium War to find out what it was, it seems in a different universe the Spanish had their own Opium War, i wanted to change it but the troll in charge confidence me to keep it, so we could find out if anybody would notice it, have change it now that you have spotted it.
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Post by stevep on Jun 26, 2020 10:07:12 GMT
lordroel , Another comment. On today's WWII thread you have a section on the Continuation War which among other things mention the siege of the Soviet base at Hango. However before this you also had
mentioned during the section on Army Group North. As such its a bit confusing and has some duplication. Would it be best to have anything related to Finland, unless it directly impacts the siege of Leningrad say or wider political issues located under the Continuation War heading,
I'm also interested in how the Russians get their garrison out of Hango in Dec given the overwhelming control of the air and sea by the Axis and that the Gulf is actually icebound I think during the winter. Possibly they could escape over the ice but its a long way to Leningrad or even the small pocket that somehow survived just to the west of it so it would be a hell of an achievement.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 26, 2020 10:14:36 GMT
mentioned during the section on Army Group North. As such its a bit confusing and has some duplication. Would it be best to have anything related to Finland, unless it directly impacts the siege of Leningrad say or wider political issues located under the Continuation War heading, That is not a problem, will try to fit anything related to Finland in the Continuation War. Jumping some months but you can read it here: Battle of Hanko (1941)
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Post by stevep on Jun 26, 2020 10:36:21 GMT
mentioned during the section on Army Group North. As such its a bit confusing and has some duplication. Would it be best to have anything related to Finland, unless it directly impacts the siege of Leningrad say or wider political issues located under the Continuation War heading, That is not a problem, will try to fit anything related to Finland in the Continuation War. Jumping some months but you can read it here: Battle of Hanko (1941)
Thanks. Still amazed they got anything away considering the situation. Although possibly they were so confident of victory the Germans and Finns thought it didn't matter too much if Soviet forces escaped into the 'doomed' Leningrad pocket.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 26, 2020 10:44:31 GMT
That is not a problem, will try to fit anything related to Finland in the Continuation War. Jumping some months but you can read it here: Battle of Hanko (1941) Thanks. Still amazed they got anything away considering the situation. Although possibly they were so confident of victory the Germans and Finns thought it didn't matter too much if Soviet forces escaped into the 'doomed' Leningrad pocket. Steve
Also i found out that the Soviets where building this class of battleship, the Sovetsky Soyuz-class battleship but even with it having rivaled the Imperial Japanese Yamato class and America's planned Montana class in size if any had been completed, the failure of the Soviets to be able to build cemented armor plates thicker than 230 millimeters would have negated any advantages from the Sovetsky Soyuz class's, thicker armor in combat.
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Post by stevep on Jun 26, 2020 10:59:48 GMT
Thanks. Still amazed they got anything away considering the situation. Although possibly they were so confident of victory the Germans and Finns thought it didn't matter too much if Soviet forces escaped into the 'doomed' Leningrad pocket. Steve
Also i found out that the Soviets where building this class of battleship, the Sovetsky Soyuz-class battleship but even with it having rivaled the Imperial Japanese Yamato class and America's planned Montana class in size if any had been completed, the failure of the Soviets to be able to build cemented armor plates thicker than 230 millimeters would have negated any advantages from the Sovetsky Soyuz class's, thicker armor in combat.
Yes it was a huge monster of a ship but given the lack of recent experience of capital ship construction and the nature of the Soviet regime it would be likely to have serious problems I suspect.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 26, 2020 11:02:00 GMT
Also i found out that the Soviets where building this class of battleship, the Sovetsky Soyuz-class battleship but even with it having rivaled the Imperial Japanese Yamato class and America's planned Montana class in size if any had been completed, the failure of the Soviets to be able to build cemented armor plates thicker than 230 millimeters would have negated any advantages from the Sovetsky Soyuz class's, thicker armor in combat. Yes it was a huge monster of a ship but given the lack of recent experience of capital ship construction and the nature of the Soviet regime it would be likely to have serious problems I suspect.
Also it would be stuck in the Baltic's if the war broke out, do not think they would try to run here towards the North Sea and then towards Murmansk.
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Post by stevep on Jun 26, 2020 11:26:58 GMT
Yes it was a huge monster of a ship but given the lack of recent experience of capital ship construction and the nature of the Soviet regime it would be likely to have serious problems I suspect.
Also it would be stuck in the Baltic's if the war broke out, do not think they would try to run here towards the North Sea and then towards Murmansk.
Very likely. However I don't think they would have the facilities to construct such huge ships in the north or Pacific so its either the Baltic and/or the Black Sea - IIRC there were some hulls laid down there as well. The Black sea has even greater problems with the Turkish straits and then their stuck in the Med. Basically the reason why a Russian/Soviet navy always had limited impact in general as opposed to local wars and why the state has always sought to gain ice free ports to the wider oceans.
Mind you if completed ships were sent to the Arctic Fleet say in peacetime they would need additional facilities there to enable them to operate there. That would be pretty expensive and maintaining them in an Arctic climate is another issue.
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