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Post by stevep on Jun 14, 2020 19:03:12 GMT
lordroel , A small quibble with yesterday's WWII post. You have under the Atlantic Battle
Assuming one of those deaths, hopefully the latter is actually number of survivors. On today's entry - for 14th June - This seems to contradict the comments in yesterday's video by Indie that suggests he has serious doubts about the offensive. Also his name is "Archibald Percival Wavell," so don't know where they got Bernard from unless their thinking of "Bernard Law Montgomery"?
Well he got that right.
Interesting. Never heard of that before. Thanks.
Thanks, the facht you always notice these things means sombody reads it. I will make sure the Troll who wrote that daily update get a new assignment, what do you think of translating the entire Artamène into Nigerian Njerep as a punishment.
That might take him a day or 50,000. Careful as you live in the Netherlands. You might get pulled in front of the human rights court for cruel and unusual punishment.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 14, 2020 19:04:55 GMT
Thanks, the facht you always notice these things means sombody reads it. I will make sure the Troll who wrote that daily update get a new assignment, what do you think of translating the entire Artamène into Nigerian Njerep as a punishment. That might take him a day or 50,000. Careful as you live in the Netherlands. You might get pulled in front of the human rights court for cruel and unusual punishment. Well he is a troll, do not think the law applies to him, that why i hired them.
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Post by stevep on Jun 15, 2020 10:47:12 GMT
lordroel ,
A good demonstration of the fact that just because military units have arrived at point X doesn't mean their immediately ready to leap into combat, which too many politicians too often forget.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 15, 2020 15:12:49 GMT
lordroel ,
A good demonstration of the fact that just because military units have arrived at point X doesn't mean their immediately ready to leap into combat, which too many politicians too often forget. Steve
Well then it was good that is was a admiral who visited MERSEY, had it been a politician he would demand that the monitors would engage KONINGSBERG at once.
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Post by stevep on Jun 16, 2020 13:44:12 GMT
In today's WWI thread you have details of the French offensive.
Is it just me or is there something of a contradiction between the points highlighted in para 1 and that in para 2? I wonder why the French rain into a storm of fire - as if the Germans had had some warning an attack was coming!! They had the right ideas then threw away any real hope of success.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 16, 2020 13:50:40 GMT
In today's WWI thread you have details of the French offensive. Is it just me or is there something of a contradiction between the points highlighted in para 1 and that in para 2? I wonder why the French rain into a storm of fire - as if the Germans had had some warning an attack was coming!! They had the right ideas then threw away any real hope of success.
You can read at the Second Battle of Artois aftermath section this: From 10 to 16 June the French fired 497,122 shells with less effect than the 265,430 rounds fired from 3 to 9 May. The Germans had managed to fire a heavy artillery barrage of c. 100,000 shells, which stopped the French infantry attack and prevented troops moving up in support. Attempts to repeat the surprise of 9 May by ruses failed and a German counter-barrage had begun in no man's land within two minutes of the French infantry advance. The experience of the attacks on 16 June demonstrated that the effect of counter-battery fire, neutralising fire and changes in the pattern and timing of artillery-fire made no difference if the German wire was uncut when the infantry advance began. German field defences were dug in increasing quantity and complexity during the offensive and German artillery became much more active, as more guns and much more ammunition arrived at the battlefront.
The new German defences around the area were on ground overlooked from the Lorette Spur, were more costly to defend and made Vimy Ridge more vulnerable to attack. The apparent lost opportunity on 9 May, when Vimy Ridge was captured in the first rush, led the French army commanders to conclude that more of the same could achieve a breakthrough if better organised, which formed the basis of the planning for the autumn offensives in Artois and Champagne. Pétain wrote that the attack on 9 May showed that a breakthrough was possible and that it could be achieved by careful preparation of communication trenches, jumping-off trenches and assembly positions, if the German defences were carefully reconnoitred and sufficiently bombarded by artillery. Since the defenders could close a gap quickly it would be necessary to maintain momentum, with reserve troops following up the attacking force closely. Attacks in open country were preferable to being bogged down in fighting for obstacles like villages and woods and the attack should be on a broad front, to allow centres of resistance to be outflanked and to disperse German fire power over a wider area.
German analysis of the battle was collected in a memorandum of June 1915 and led to renewed emphasis on infantry shelters, deep enough to be invulnerable to heavy artillery and to increase the number of defensive positions behind the front, which would slow an advance and delay subsequent attacks, by forcing the attacker to move artillery into range. On 7 June a copy of Note 5779 was captured on the Artois front and the local corps commander ordered that intensive digging be undertaken and stipulated that reserve positions were to be as solidly built as front line defences. Much of the new digging on the rest of the Western Front was done on reverse slopes, invisible to ground observers and capable of being engaged only by howitzer-fire. The French methods of attack had been made obsolete by the time of the resumption of the offensive in September 1915, when many French troops were killed on such slopes, in front of uncut wire, before an undamaged second position.
Hope this gives more answer.
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Post by stevep on Jun 18, 2020 10:51:34 GMT
Today's USN thread is a copy of the 16th June? I was thinking this sounded familiar as I started reading it.
Also for the WWI thread the video at the top was also displayed a week back on the 11th June. Possibly that was the mistake as its dated the 18th, which I didn't notice when I 1st saw it.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 18, 2020 13:36:43 GMT
Today's USN thread is a copy of the 16th June? I was thinking this sounded familiar as I started reading it. Also for the WWI thread the video at the top was also displayed a week back on the 11th June. Possibly that was the mistake as its dated the 18th, which I didn't notice when I 1st saw it. Steve
Thanks will edit it.
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Post by stevep on Jun 20, 2020 12:34:44 GMT
lordroel , As someone from 2020 I couldn't avoid a double take on that. Dread to imagine a world where 1913 US had this B-2.
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Post by stevep on Jun 20, 2020 15:02:08 GMT
lordroel , Some comments on today's WWII post.
a) I couldn't resist a smile at Indie's comment towards the end of his video that the Germans might decide not to attack the Soviets. Especially when reading later
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- A bit too late now Adolf. Mind you given all the extensive preparation I expect most of the troops know an attack is coming. Even before the issuing, also mention, on the 19th of the document taking about behaviour on the 'Eastern front'
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U-203 on its first patrol out of Kiel and cruising off Iceland, spots US Navy battleship USS Texas (BB-35) just within the "Blockade Zone" established around Great Britain. Technically, at least according to the Germans, this justifies sinking the ship. However, Mützelburg is unable to maneuver into firing position, and the faster battleship gets away.
Wasn't aware of this before and an attack, even if it didn't sink the elderly BB would have had an huge impact on the war in Europe, as well as affecting things in the Pacific!
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I think it might be best to clarify that what Churchill did was swap over the two commanders, so that Wavell in turn goes to command India and related areas.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 21, 2020 10:19:34 GMT
Well June 22nd 1941 must be the biggest daily update to come until that other major event happens.
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Post by stevep on Jun 21, 2020 11:25:04 GMT
Well June 22nd 1941 must be the biggest daily update to come until that other major event happens.
Oh is something happening then?
Seriously on today's WWII I'm a bit puzzled by the entry
The RAF conducts a Circus attack on JG 26's airfield at St. Omer around noontime. It results in wild melees in the sky, with the RAF losing six fighters and one Blenheim to the Luftwaffe's six planes (with four pilots killed and two taken as prisoners, including ace Franz Luders of JG 26). Among the deaths is ace Carl-Hans Röders, with eight victories.
If it was a circus attack over a German airfield how was Luders and another German pilot taken prisoner? Unless the Germans pursued out to sea and were picked up in the Channel [or over England if they went far enough] by British ships? Also assuming from the name Roders is German as well? If so despite taking 7 losses to 6 it might have been a relatively successful mission removing two German aces, especially with their total forces reduced.
Fully agree with the comments of Auchinleck and others about Wavell. Given his limited resources and the distractions of Greece and E Africa which were largely driven by Churchill he did well to achieve what he did and keep the British position in the Med alive. Having to play wack a mole with Iraq and then Vichy Syria definitely didn't help either.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 21, 2020 11:37:18 GMT
Well June 22nd 1941 must be the biggest daily update to come until that other major event happens. The RAF conducts a Circus attack on JG 26's airfield at St. Omer around noontime. It results in wild melees in the sky, with the RAF losing six fighters and one Blenheim to the Luftwaffe's six planes (with four pilots killed and two taken as prisoners, including ace Franz Luders of JG 26). Among the deaths is ace Carl-Hans Röders, with eight victories.
Seems i can not find the source that my source used for this stevep, will have a troll check it out, he is already going to Berlin using a jumping stick, i hoop to get back soon with more information about this.
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Post by stevep on Jun 21, 2020 13:38:46 GMT
The RAF conducts a Circus attack on JG 26's airfield at St. Omer around noontime. It results in wild melees in the sky, with the RAF losing six fighters and one Blenheim to the Luftwaffe's six planes (with four pilots killed and two taken as prisoners, including ace Franz Luders of JG 26). Among the deaths is ace Carl-Hans Röders, with eight victories.
Seems i can not find the source that my source used for this stevep , will have a troll check it out, he is already going to Berlin using a jumping stick, i hoop to get back soon with more information about this.
Probably not worth bothering too much. I expect the Luftwaffe were drawn out over the channel but just sounded a bit strange if the initial fighting was over their airbase to capture two of their pilots.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 21, 2020 13:45:54 GMT
Seems i can not find the source that my source used for this stevep , will have a troll check it out, he is already going to Berlin using a jumping stick, i hoop to get back soon with more information about this. Probably not worth bothering too much. I expect the Luftwaffe were drawn out over the channel but just sounded a bit strange if the initial fighting was over their airbase to capture two of their pilots.
Well then, i will contact the troll when he arrives in Berlin to take the ICE back.
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