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Post by stevep on May 19, 2020 14:46:04 GMT
In today's WWII thread I think you have an error at the end. The last few paragraph's are:
I presume that last section should be under the German military rather than the Viet Minh section. 
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Post by lordroel on May 19, 2020 15:01:39 GMT
In today's WWII thread I think you have an error at the end. The last few paragraph's are: I presume that last section should be under the German military rather than the Viet Minh section. Steve
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Post by stevep on May 22, 2020 11:57:32 GMT
lordroel , On the WWII thread today you have
At the top. Shouldn't that be west as Syria is west of Iraq?
Also with the battle of Crete a personal comment.
They really fucked up here as he did the only intelligent thing.  The attempts to land by sea had been turned back, some with loss but without AA fire the RN ships were too vulnerable and an earlier withdraw might have saved men and ships who were going to be needed later. Possibly brief bombardments at night provided there was a decent chance of getting out of range of the Luftwaffe by daylight but King was definitely right here.
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Post by lordroel on May 22, 2020 13:19:15 GMT
lordroel , Also with the battle of Crete a personal comment. That is why you posted it here, no problem. |
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Post by stevep on May 23, 2020 10:54:32 GMT
Reading the section on the Italian dow two things come to mind. Interesting limitations on the dow by several powers and a good point as to why Berlin doesn't declare war on Rome yet. Hadn't thought of that way through the allied blockade. Whether the Italians actually allow that I don't know. If they even think of the issue.
The other is the message to the Italian army and navy - "Oh by the way we're going to be at war with Austria from mid-night". WTF!! The Italian army. like several others in this conflict was abysmally led but that's a great example of crap leadership from the government to start things off with.
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Post by lordroel on May 23, 2020 11:30:53 GMT
Reading the section on the Italian dow two things come to mind. Interesting limitations on the dow by several powers and a good point as to why Berlin doesn't declare war on Rome yet. Hadn't thought of that way through the allied blockade. Whether the Italians actually allow that I don't know. If they even think of the issue. The other is the message to the Italian army and navy - "Oh by the way we're going to be at war with Austria from mid-night". WTF!! The Italian army. like several others in this conflict was abysmally led but that's a great example of crap leadership from the government to start things off with. Steve
Seems that was not going to be the first time that Italy went to war when not ready. |
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Post by stevep on May 24, 2020 12:46:41 GMT
lordroel , A few questions on the Battle of Denmark Straits entry. Can you change the minor details to report the sinking odf Bismarck by Hood and Prince of Wales.  Seriously a couple of points that don't quite sound correct. The post says
Suffolk acts quickly and signals its position to other very powerful Royal Navy units approaching from the southeast. Battleship Prince of Wales and battlecruiser Hood on their way from Scapa Flow sail right by the German ships without spotting them due to poor visibility.
Possibly a minor quibble but this suggests the RN ships are seeking to overall them from the rear. As far as I'm aware this is inaccurate. The loss of contact by Suffolk and turn by the Germans means that Holland's plan to cross the German T failed. Instead he has to chase to cut them off. This was why it was a closing engagement by the British who were only turning so their rear guns could engage when Hood was hit.
This is demonstrated by this bit here. If they were actually chasing they would be firing on the nearest, ship which would be the Bismarck at the rear of the German formation. They were still a little ahead of the German course but off to one side so they had to race to intercept them before they broke into the Atlantic.
Also on the problems with PoW's guns. The article says.
Actually the PoW had 10x14" guns, in two quad turrets and a twin turret in B position - at the front just behind and above the quad A turret. There were a number of problems because the ship hadn't been fully cleared and worked up but the above suggested it has the more conventional three triple turrets and the A turret had the problem. Without digging up details I think at one point only one of the quad turrets was firing due to problems with the other two but problems were somewhat erratic. One was caused by a shell jamming in the listing hoist to the turret IIRC.
On reporting damage to Bismarck.
Should this be by two knots as two meters makes no sense?
May I suggest that the section
be modified to add say "before locating Bismarck". Otherwise it sounds like their attack the USS Modoc! - just as a/c from Ark Royal did actually attack HMS Sheffield shortly afterwards. In reality I would suspect that 20kts would probably be fast enough for a stern chase as with Hood gone and PoW damaged Rodney, with a max speed of 23 kts would have a long stern chase to catch them, meaning that without the latter critical hit the KGV would have to leave it behind to try and catch Bismarck without it, but that's just a comment on my part.
Hope this longer post doesn't sound too critical and some of the points are more grammatical than in terms of facts but reading through I think the source let you down a bit.
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Post by lordroel on May 24, 2020 12:47:54 GMT
lordroel , A few questions on the Battle of Denmark Straits entry. Can you change the minor details to report the sinking odf Bismarck by Hood and Prince of Wales. Seriously a couple of points that don't quite sound correct. The post says Suffolk acts quickly and signals its position to other very powerful Royal Navy units approaching from the southeast. Battleship Prince of Wales and battlecruiser Hood on their way from Scapa Flow sail right by the German ships without spotting them due to poor visibility.
Possibly a minor quibble but this suggests the RN ships are seeking to overall them from the rear. As far as I'm aware this is inaccurate. The loss of contact by Suffolk and turn by the Germans means that Holland's plan to cross the German T failed. Instead he has to chase to cut them off. This was why it was a closing engagement by the British who were only turning so their rear guns could engage when Hood was hit.
This is demonstrated by this bit here. If they were actually chasing they would be firing on the nearest, ship which would be the Bismarck at the rear of the German formation. They were still a little ahead of the German course but off to one side so they had to race to intercept them before they broke into the Atlantic. Also on the problems with PoW's guns. The article says.
Actually the PoW had 10x14" guns, in two quad turrets and a twin turret in B position - at the front just behind and above the quad A turret. There were a number of problems because the ship hadn't been fully cleared and worked up but the above suggested it has the more conventional three triple turrets and the A turret had the problem. Without digging up details I think at one point only one of the quad turrets was firing due to problems with the other two but problems were somewhat erratic. One was caused by a shell jamming in the listing hoist to the turret IIRC.
On reporting damage to Bismarck.
Should this be by two knots as two meters makes no sense?
May I suggest that the section
be modified to add say "before locating Bismarck". Otherwise it sounds like their attack the USS Modoc! - just as a/c from Ark Royal did actually attack HMS Sheffield shortly afterwards. In reality I would suspect that 20kts would probably be fast enough for a stern chase as with Hood gone and PoW damaged Rodney, with a max speed of 23 kts would have a long stern chase to catch them, meaning that without the latter critical hit the KGV would have to leave it behind to try and catch Bismarck without it, but that's just a comment on my part. Hope this longer post doesn't sound too critical and some of the points are more grammatical than in terms of facts but reading through I think the source let you down a bit.
Steve
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Post by eurowatch on May 27, 2020 6:22:54 GMT
In today's The Great War the Eastern Front is designated as the Western Front.
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Post by lordroel on May 27, 2020 9:25:22 GMT
In today's The Great War the Eastern Front is designated as the Western Front. A thanks, will fix it. |
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Post by lordroel on May 30, 2020 12:23:33 GMT
I proudly announce the banner for the United States invasion of Grenada 1983 - Operation Urgent Fury in realtime project which will start in October 23rd 2020  |
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Post by stevep on May 31, 2020 10:39:10 GMT
I proudly announce the banner for the United States invasion of Grenada 1983 - Operation Urgent Fury in realtime project which will start in October 23rd 2020
Well at least that's going to be a relatively short one.
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Post by lordroel on May 31, 2020 10:49:32 GMT
I proudly announce the banner for the United States invasion of Grenada 1983 - Operation Urgent Fury in realtime project which will start in October 23rd 2020 Well at least that's going to be a relatively short one. Steve
A couple of days leading up to it and 4 days of action to be precises. But the shortest is going to be the Anglo-Zanzibar War of 1896 who will have 3 post in total. After that, i do not have anything in the planning, i might do the United States invasion of Panama if i get enough information. |
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Post by stevep on May 31, 2020 11:16:16 GMT
Well at least that's going to be a relatively short one. Steve
A couple of days leading up to it and 4 days of action to be precises. But the shortest is going to be the Anglo-Zanzibar War of 1896 who will have 3 post in total. After that, i do not have anything in the planning, i might do the United States invasion of Panama if i get enough information.
Well there's always the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire. That would keep you busy for a while.
Seriously catching up on yesterday's WWII day by day I noticed that Churchill takes a break from ordering attacks everywhere to demand that the Iraqi oil fields be destroyed before their captured even as British forces are closing in on Baghdad to conclude the war!
Also on the video mention of the Paris Protocols which have also come up for discussion on a naval history thread.
Many thanks again for all the good work you put in on those threads.
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Post by lordroel on May 31, 2020 11:21:45 GMT
A couple of days leading up to it and 4 days of action to be precises. But the shortest is going to be the Anglo-Zanzibar War of 1896 who will have 3 post in total. After that, i do not have anything in the planning, i might do the United States invasion of Panama if i get enough information. Well there's always the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire. That would keep you busy for a while. Seriously catching up on yesterday's WWII day by day I noticed that Churchill takes a break from ordering attacks everywhere to demand that the Iraqi oil fields be destroyed before their captured even as British forces are closing in on Baghdad to conclude the war! Also on the video mention of the Paris Protocols which have also come up for discussion on a naval history thread. Many thanks again for all the good work you put in on those threads.
I am already trying, but not sure if it works to get the US Civil War in Realtime, it will start if i get enough info on April 2021, i work on getting at least a couple of months of post in order to make sure that i have daily events for each day/ |
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The attempts to land by sea had been turned back, some with loss but without AA fire the RN ships were too vulnerable and an earlier withdraw might have saved men and ships who were going to be needed later. Possibly brief bombardments at night provided there was a decent chance of getting out of range of the Luftwaffe by daylight but King was definitely right here.
Seriously a couple of points that don't quite sound correct. The post says