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Post by stevep on May 3, 2020 12:21:26 GMT
I think you have a typo in todays WWII entry.
Suspect that should be Germany rather than British positions else the RN aren't going to be very popular with the defenders.
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Post by lordroel on May 3, 2020 12:47:26 GMT
I think you have a typo in todays WWII entry.
Suspect that should be Germany rather than British positions else the RN aren't going to be very popular with the defenders. Steve
Thanks for the spotting as always stevep, will edit, we do want to keep the army and royal navy on one side until the end of the war.
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Post by stevep on May 4, 2020 10:52:35 GMT
Think there is another broken link in today's WWII page. You have
but no image is visible. Otherwise looks very good. Didn't realise that there was so much opposition to the attack on Russia in the Nazi hierarchy. Fortunately for Britain I think that Hitler insisted on it.
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Post by lordroel on May 4, 2020 13:22:21 GMT
Think there is another broken link in today's WWII page. You have
but no image is visible. Otherwise looks very good. Didn't realise that there was so much opposition to the attack on Russia in the Nazi hierarchy. Fortunately for Britain I think that Hitler insisted on it. Steve
Will fix it, thanks for the spotting.
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Post by stevep on May 10, 2020 9:49:38 GMT
Think there's a small typo in the WWII thread today.
Is there an 'f' missing here as flight makes more sense than light.
Otherwise looking good and thanks again for the work in putting this together.
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Post by lordroel on May 10, 2020 10:08:35 GMT
Think there's a small typo in the WWII thread today.
Is there an 'f' missing here as flight makes more sense than light. Otherwise looking good and thanks again for the work in putting this together. Steve
Thanks for the spotting stevep, will add the missing F to the word.
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Post by stevep on May 11, 2020 9:41:39 GMT
I think there's a slight slip up in the WWII thread, You have
I suspect that the highlighted part should be in the earlier section on Anglo-German relations and Hess's flight to Britain. Also the ending of that 1st line "Hull states (as reported to Tokyo by Nomura):" suggests that something else should be there before the "Tokyo emphasizes..." Possibly you meant to cut and paste something in there and still had the Anglo-German section in the paste?
Otherwise looking good.
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Post by lordroel on May 11, 2020 14:56:54 GMT
I think there's a slight slip up in the WWII thread, You have
I suspect that the highlighted part should be in the earlier section on Anglo-German relations and Hess's flight to Britain. Also the ending of that 1st line "Hull states (as reported to Tokyo by Nomura):" suggests that something else should be there before the "Tokyo emphasizes..." Possibly you meant to cut and paste something in there and still had the Anglo-German section in the paste? Otherwise looking good.
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Thanks will edit it.
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Post by stevep on May 12, 2020 12:20:32 GMT
One small typo here. Its easy to see what's actually happening but I assume that after minutes there should be the name of the target ship.
Nasty little blow for the RN, especially with the lives lost and shows how dangerous complacent can be.
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Post by lordroel on May 12, 2020 14:57:13 GMT
One small typo here. Its easy to see what's actually happening but I assume that after minutes there should be the name of the target ship.
Nasty little blow for the RN, especially with the lives lost and shows how dangerous complacent can be. Steve
Had MUAVENET tried to do this in the day time i would not think this would have ended well for MUAVENET.
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Post by stevep on May 12, 2020 15:14:46 GMT
One small typo here. Its easy to see what's actually happening but I assume that after minutes there should be the name of the target ship.
Nasty little blow for the RN, especially with the lives lost and shows how dangerous complacent can be. Steve
Had MUAVENET tried to do this in the day time i would not think this would have ended well for MUAVENET.
Sorry I didn't make myself clear enough. The point I was making was the sentenceL
This suggests, if read grammatically, that one or more of the torpedoes rolled over and sunk. What I meant was that the target ship's name should have been here, i.e.
The torpedoes strike home, and within minutes HMS GOLIATH rolls over and sinks. I mean its clear what's happened but it jars a bit as written.
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Post by lordroel on May 12, 2020 15:26:05 GMT
Had MUAVENET tried to do this in the day time i would not think this would have ended well for MUAVENET. Sorry I didn't make myself clear enough. The point I was making was the sentenceL
This suggests, if read grammatically, that one or more of the torpedoes rolled over and sunk. What I meant was that the target ship's name should have been here, i.e. The torpedoes strike home, and within minutes HMS GOLIATH rolls over and sinks. I mean its clear what's happened but it jars a bit as written. Steve
My bad, i misunderstand.
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Post by stevep on May 15, 2020 10:17:31 GMT
Sorry, I should have asked earlier. Your had a number of comments about Soviet plans to attack the Germans in the WWII thread, including today, i.e.
What is the source for this please? Other than a few comments from a somewhat unreliable source a few decades back I've never heard of this before? I know there was a reference to a couple of people who are supposed to be at the 1st talk by Stalin confirming this after they fell into German hands but there is the possibility that this was something they were pressurised into saying to give justification for the German attack. However just about everything I've read suggests that Stalin was determined to avoid war at this point as the Red Army was still in the midst of re-equipping and trying to pull itself into some sort of coherent shape after the purges, its weakness shown by the Winter War.
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Post by lordroel on May 15, 2020 12:38:45 GMT
Sorry, I should have asked earlier. Your had a number of comments about Soviet plans to attack the Germans in the WWII thread, including today, i.e.
What is the source for this please? Other than a few comments from a somewhat unreliable source a few decades back I've never heard of this before? I know there was a reference to a couple of people who are supposed to be at the 1st talk by Stalin confirming this after they fell into German hands but there is the possibility that this was something they were pressurised into saying to give justification for the German attack. However just about everything I've read suggests that Stalin was determined to avoid war at this point as the Red Army was still in the midst of re-equipping and trying to pull itself into some sort of coherent shape after the purges, its weakness shown by the Winter War. Steve
Well i also heard of this plan before, that why i posted here as i found it interesting, but this Stalin's Other War: Soviet Grand Strategy, 1939-1941 and this link: An Analysis of why Stalin is to Blame for the German Invasion with the mention of the May 15th plan are interesting to read One such document is the 15 May 1941 draft plan written by Chief of Staff Georgii Zhukov. The bulk of the plan details the number of men and amount of military equipment to be deployed to all the major Soviet fronts. One point of debate is the request for a concealed troop mobilization to the western fronts. Another contentious issue is when Zhukov advises “to attack the German army while it is still in the deployment stage and has not yet had time to organize the front.” These statements are used by V.N. Kiselev to argue that the Soviet Union was preparing to attack Germany. Kiselev feels that since the covert troop mobilizations were carried out, this indicates Stalin approved of the entire 15 May draft plan.
However, a closer examination of the 15 May draft plan and the context in which it was written reveals a much different conclusion. As Gor’kov points out, the plan called for mounting a defence along ninety percent of the front for approximately one month, and only later on could a possible offensive be considered. This conclusion is more accurate, taking into consideration the many defensive fortifications under construction by May 1941. The fortifications were meant to allow a successful counter-attack, not an aggressive strike. David E. Murphy contends that Stalin never saw Zhukov’s draft plan, but when Timoshenko and Zhukov discussed the pre-emptive strike idea with him on 12 May, Stalin rejected it. Stalin reluctantly agreed to the covert troop mobilizations, yet it was necessary for the operation to avoid provoking the Germans.
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Post by stevep on May 15, 2020 14:12:34 GMT
Sorry, I should have asked earlier. Your had a number of comments about Soviet plans to attack the Germans in the WWII thread, including today, i.e.
What is the source for this please? Other than a few comments from a somewhat unreliable source a few decades back I've never heard of this before? I know there was a reference to a couple of people who are supposed to be at the 1st talk by Stalin confirming this after they fell into German hands but there is the possibility that this was something they were pressurised into saying to give justification for the German attack. However just about everything I've read suggests that Stalin was determined to avoid war at this point as the Red Army was still in the midst of re-equipping and trying to pull itself into some sort of coherent shape after the purges, its weakness shown by the Winter War. Steve
Well i also heard of this plan before, that why i posted here as i found it interesting, but this Stalin's Other War: Soviet Grand Strategy, 1939-1941 and this link: An Analysis of why Stalin is to Blame for the German Invasion with the mention of the May 15th plan are interesting to read One such document is the 15 May 1941 draft plan written by Chief of Staff Georgii Zhukov. The bulk of the plan details the number of men and amount of military equipment to be deployed to all the major Soviet fronts. One point of debate is the request for a concealed troop mobilization to the western fronts. Another contentious issue is when Zhukov advises “to attack the German army while it is still in the deployment stage and has not yet had time to organize the front.” These statements are used by V.N. Kiselev to argue that the Soviet Union was preparing to attack Germany. Kiselev feels that since the covert troop mobilizations were carried out, this indicates Stalin approved of the entire 15 May draft plan.
However, a closer examination of the 15 May draft plan and the context in which it was written reveals a much different conclusion. As Gor’kov points out, the plan called for mounting a defence along ninety percent of the front for approximately one month, and only later on could a possible offensive be considered. This conclusion is more accurate, taking into consideration the many defensive fortifications under construction by May 1941. The fortifications were meant to allow a successful counter-attack, not an aggressive strike. David E. Murphy contends that Stalin never saw Zhukov’s draft plan, but when Timoshenko and Zhukov discussed the pre-emptive strike idea with him on 12 May, Stalin rejected it. Stalin reluctantly agreed to the covert troop mobilizations, yet it was necessary for the operation to avoid provoking the Germans.
Thanks. that sounds like its a more defensive move being planned. I looked at the 1st link but the 2nd one goes back to this page. It sounds controversial as whether or not Stalin may have been planning an attack there's no evidence that the Germans had any knowledge of this or that such had any impact on their planned attack.
One of the people mentioned in the notes on the 1st link, alias Victor Suvorov was the person I mentioned before who made made such a suggestion but I later heard had been criticised for his suggestion that Stalin had been preparing an attack.
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