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Post by James G on Oct 31, 2019 20:30:38 GMT
I'd imagine that with the Soviets making such good progress, people in the Force de dissuasion and the Strategic Air Command must be getting twitchy.
Would agree given how bad its looking for the allies. Think those NATO forces having some success around S Bavaria are going to have to retreat soon else their likely to be yet another isolated pocket, at least unless their willing to try and forces their way through western Austria into Italy.
Think there's a small typo. "In the tress and among the low hills, the Soviets emerged victorious". Assuming that should be trees.
Do the Soviets have actual aims or are they starting to suffer from victory disease?
The Americans in the wider Frankfurt area will soon have to start thinking about retreat too unless they want to be cut off. The idea will not be a popular one. Typo fixed: thanks. The war aim remains the same. Punish American aggression in the Middle East by overrunning Western Europe. Force a peace on dikkat terms. Loot and de-militarise Western Europe.
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Post by James G on Oct 31, 2019 20:34:30 GMT
124 – Another walloping
Soviet mobile ballistic missile launchers had moved forward into West Germany from out of Eastern Europe. The majority were Scuds though there were Spiders too. After a mass firing at the opening of the war, they had moved to individual launches or those of a few missiles at a time. The flight times for these were extremely short and NATO had no defence against the missiles in-flight. Coming forward exposed them to danger though. As the American-led Coalition, and then the Israelis too, had discovered with Iraqi Scuds, it was hard to find such weapons. The Iraqis had been taught all of the techniques to hide them – often in plain sight – by the Soviets. Nonetheless, when inside West Germany the launchers were caught up in enemy action. NATO aircraft got some of them, often by accident, and then there was increasingly the presence being felt of NATO special forces behind the lines in occupied territory. The launchers came close to the frontlines to allow the distances to be closed between them and their targets, making it certain that some could be lost to enemy action. The destruction of some didn’t limit the effect overall though. There remained enough of the launchers untouched to allow for continued operations. Another mass firing was undertaken on the Monday evening. Neither the Scuds nor the Spiders had the range to hit Britain nor all of France, but they could hit Denmark, the Low Countries, all of West Germany and parts of France. There were plenty of targets for them.
Monchengladbach was one of those targets. This West German town was full of military facilities and had already been hit hard during the short period that the war had been going. The British had taken many casualties when RAF Rheindahlen was struck by all of those missiles with a cargo of gas. This evening, the incoming missiles just had high explosives for their warheads. The Americans were targeted with their several POMCUS sites around Monchengladbach being on the receiving end of a dozen-plus missiles. Personnel from the US Army’s 2nd Armored Division had arrived here and there were also national guardsmen from Tennessee also present where they were due to operate the stored equipment set for the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment (that regular unit was still in Iraq with its second set of gear that had been shipped to the Gulf from Texas months ago). The Spiders used here had good accuracy but the Scuds didn’t: the remaining civilian population of Monchengladbach were once again to suffer. Brussels Airport was shared with the military and the Royal Belgian Air Force called their part Melsbroek Airbase. Hit before, the airbase was once again struck. It was a busy place with NATO transport aircraft using the facility as well as civilian airliners from many nations – taken over for military use – flying in and out. A wave of inbound ballistic missiles carrying high explosives and gas arrived. The same was also seen at the airfields of Oostmalle and Zutendaal elsewhere in Belgium where these usually quiet facilities on stand-by status were now very busy as they were used for REFORGER purposes by men from the 1st Cavalry Division coming in from the United States to head to nearby POMCUS sites. Up in the Netherlands, several airbases were hit and so too was the Royal Netherlands Navy base at Den Helder. The military port there was on a peninsula with water on three sites: missing the target here meant no damage could be done nearby. Spiders arrived and did their worst. Dutch warships yet to get to sea came under fire and so did the many personnel all busy at the naval facility. A large French Army logistics site near to Metz got the special attention of Soviet missiles due to the significant activity around there as the French Army was deploying follow-on forces into West Germany; several airbases in the northeast of the country were also targeted heavily. Then there were the bridges over the Rhine on the French-West German border. Other crossings over that river, through the Rhineland, had been left alone by the Soviets throughout the war – the intent behind not destroying them was clear, wasn’t it? – yet these ones here had missiles shot at them. Accurately striking and bringing down a bridge wasn’t easy to do with a ballistic missile employing a conventional warhead. Several were hit but none were brought down. Misses elsewhere were quite significant in places and there was also this evening the landing inside Strasbourg of a pair of off-course Scuds. Civilian casualties were huge. President Mitterrand had been personally monitoring the situation on the ground in West Germany for most of the day as Soviet armies moved closer and closer to the Rhine. Long standing French nuclear policy was to use nuclear weapons if the Rhine was crossed. Mitterrand didn’t want to see the Soviets go over the Rhine for many reasons… among them the issue of what was he to do if it was: start a nuclear war? Now reports came from Strasbourg. Initial news coming out of there said that the casualties were actually higher than they were, maybe up to a thousand, before the figures would be later revised downwards. Other French civilians had already lost their lives in this war but this was different. He wanted to strike back, hit back at the Soviets in their homeland like the Americans had, but options to do that were rather limited.
Britain got another walloping too, a follow up to what had happened the day before. Cruise missiles were launched from aircraft outside of the country when the Badgers and Backfires were flying over water. The RAF put many interceptors up and did manage to get almost a dozen of those big bombers when British air defence activities operated far better than previously. They were dispersed to cover the country more effectively and one of those NATO-crewed E-3 aircraft – it had been on exercise in Spain when the war started – was flying over the UK. Seven of the eleven downed aircraft were shot down only after launching their missiles though. Yes, they couldn’t come back again with more missiles, but they had already launched today. Other Soviet missile-carrying bombers were unmolested in their flights as they either avoided detection or the RAF didn’t have enough aircraft to go after them. Every bomber flown against Britain came alone with some distance between it and another one: the RAF was unable to use a lone Lightning or Phantom to target several Soviet bombers at once. RAF Tornado F2s were also flying, just a few of them because there was yet to be the full entry into service of this aircraft. A couple of them were busy in Irish skies too where the Soviets followed what they had done before and flew above the Republic of Ireland to attack Britain from the west.
Airbases across Britain targeted this evening were many. Kelt and Kingfish missiles, big weapons, struck such places as RAF Abington, RAF Brize Norton, RAF Kinloss, RAF Lyneham and RAF Wyton. These weren’t facilities for combat aircraft but transports & support aircraft. At RAF Fairford – where B-52s were arriving – and RAF Mildenhall which the US Air Force used for its large electronic reconnaissance aircraft, more missiles crashed in. It was only a couple of them at a time. Not all of them made it through RAF efforts to shoot them down and others missed too. The ones that did manage to reach their targets were guaranteed to cause a lot of death and destruction though. Garrisons at Aldershot, Bulford, Catterick, Colchester and Windsor were in the firing line. The British Army was struck here on home soil at locations where there was much ongoing activity. Civilian targets included ports such as Cardiff, Dover (already gassed), Harwich, Rosyth & Southampton while the airports at Gatwick and Prestwick were also hit. The oil refinery at Grangemouth avoided its planned destruction but the oil terminals up in the islands north of Scotland, Flotta in the Orkneys & Sullom Voe in Shetland, were struck. These served the North Sea oil platforms but the pipelines had been switched off. Damage at the two sites were significant yet it would have been far worse had there not been that shutdown.
Neither the Royal Navy nor US Navy bases in southwestern Scotland – Faslane and Holy Loch – were targeted in this attack nor the one the day before. The Soviets left them alone due to their use by Polaris-armed strategic missile submarines. The two naval bases in England at Devonport and Portsmouth down on the South Coast were hit though. Missile firings were made from out in the Celtic Sea and these were unopposed by the RAF who were stretched elsewhere. The big cruise missiles came in with the Royal Navy providing the only defence when HMS Exeter used Sea Dart SAMs to bring down several of the Kingfish missiles launched by long-departed Backfires. Others made it to their targets though. Those bases were full of activity. The Royal Navy was rushing to get as many ships out as possible. Losses had already been taken at sea but the war had started with the majority of the Royal Navy still caught in port. Only one ship was hit when the naval bases came under fire but there was much else to hit. Close to two thousand casualties were incurred. Post-strike, efforts would continue to get ships out. There was a war on and the Royal Navy needed to get out to fight it. There were reports that Soviet submarines were at sea already and there was an unconfirmed report that a few might already be close to Britain itself. Such vessels were being hunted though neither the British, nor their allies lending support, would locate the one waiting at the western end of the English Channel. This was an Oscar-class boat, loaded with Shipwreck missiles. The Soviet submarine was waiting for the Royal Navy to come out in force on a mission to begin a voyage up to join the NATO naval task force assembling in the Norwegian Sea alongside a North Atlantic mission. When the Oscar had them in its sights, a massed missile attack, similar to the one which had killed the American’s carrier USS Carl Vinson, was planned to occur to get as many Royal Navy ships as possible.
The huge missile attack saw casualties inflicted throughout Britain among military personnel as well as civilians caught up in it all. Among them were many recent evacuees coming in from the Continent. Military families, tourists & students and wounded service-personnel from Britain but also NATO allies – Canada and the United States especially – were in the way of the barrage of cruise missiles. Those flights with those wounded in battle were making use of Britain as a stopover for trans-Atlantic crossings though also with specialist military hospitals in the country also being a destination for their further human cargoes of others. Civilian evacuees had survived the war on the Continent only to be caught up in it as it ravaged Britain now too. Plymouth, around which the naval base of Devonport was located, saw a huge number of civilians killed there especially when one of the missiles that the destroyer Exeter was unable to shoot down crashed into a hospital in a tragic accident of war that, to those on the receiving end, looked as sure as heck like something deliberate. Prime Minister Whitelaw was briefed on the scale of the damage done afterwards to both military and civilian targets before he was then afterwards informed of the casualties taken. Like the French president, Britain’s wartime leader – only in-place due to the assassination of Thatcher – wanted to hit back as hard as possible. It was a reflexive urge. There was no real ability to do so at this time though. Britain just had to take hits like this while doing all it could to fight the ongoing war on the Continent.
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Post by stevep on Nov 1, 2019 10:20:39 GMT
Would agree given how bad its looking for the allies. Think those NATO forces having some success around S Bavaria are going to have to retreat soon else their likely to be yet another isolated pocket, at least unless their willing to try and forces their way through western Austria into Italy.
Think there's a small typo. "In the tress and among the low hills, the Soviets emerged victorious". Assuming that should be trees.
Do the Soviets have actual aims or are they starting to suffer from victory disease?
The Americans in the wider Frankfurt area will soon have to start thinking about retreat too unless they want to be cut off. The idea will not be a popular one. Typo fixed: thanks. The war aim remains the same. Punish American aggression in the Middle East by overrunning Western Europe. Force a peace on dikkat terms. Loot and de-militarise Western Europe.
Ah I couldn't remember any actual war aims being mentioned, thanks. I don't believe for a second that if they overran all of western Europe they would demilitarise it. They would plan to be there for good. Of course this means their gamble in invading France and Britain not backfiring on them. Definitely looting and murdering any suspected potential opponents however.
I take it from chapter 124 that Mitterrand will blink when it comes to the Rhine being crossed - or possibly is dissuaded by the US for the moment. If so then they really need to start switching forces into France as the rest of western Europe [on the mainland] is going to be lost as they won't have time to establish a decent defensive position.
Think you have a word missing in the sentence "Such vessels were being hunted though the British, nor their allies lending support, would locate the one waiting at the western end of the English Channel" - assuming a neither before "the British".
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Post by lordbyron on Nov 1, 2019 12:51:34 GMT
Oh, yeah, focus on France and the Low Countries now; most of West Germany is lost (for now)…
BTW, congrats at reaching 200k words, and hoping for many more to come...
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Post by James G on Nov 1, 2019 19:20:56 GMT
The Americans in the wider Frankfurt area will soon have to start thinking about retreat too unless they want to be cut off. The idea will not be a popular one. Typo fixed: thanks. The war aim remains the same. Punish American aggression in the Middle East by overrunning Western Europe. Force a peace on dikkat terms. Loot and de-militarise Western Europe.
Ah I couldn't remember any actual war aims being mentioned, thanks. I don't believe for a second that if they overran all of western Europe they would demilitarise it. They would plan to be there for good. Of course this means their gamble in invading France and Britain not backfiring on them. Definitely looting and murdering any suspected potential opponents however.
I take it from chapter 124 that Mitterrand will blink when it comes to the Rhine being crossed - or possibly is dissuaded by the US for the moment. If so then they really need to start switching forces into France as the rest of western Europe [on the mainland] is going to be lost as they won't have time to establish a decent defensive position.
Think you have a word missing in the sentence "Such vessels were being hunted though the British, nor their allies lending support, would locate the one waiting at the western end of the English Channel" - assuming a neither before "the British".
The war aims were discussed a long way back! I had to go check when it was: back when the idea was first proposed to go with Plan Zhukov, after the shoot-down the first time of Soviet aircraft and American demands that the Soviets pull out of Iraq. There would be 'defensive bases' established across the Continent. Groups of Soviet Forces in West Germany and the Low Countries. The occupations won't be full Red Terror in the Stalinist fashion. By 1987, even with the hardliners in charge in Moscow, that wouldn't do. They'd shoot the worst 'offenders' but probably just detain many more. Local governments of friends would spring up to support the peace / new order and the KGB would have them getting their hands dirty instead of doing it themselves. We'll have to see on where that goes with Mitterrand though my feelings on what would happen should be well known by now to guess it isn't going to be mushroom clouds. The Soviets are pushing for crossings downstream while showing no intent of closing in on the French-WG border where the Rhine is. Of course, a swing through Flanders into France would then later be possible. None of this is set in stone though. Ah, I've just changed that. I see what you mean. Oh, yeah, focus on France and the Low Countries now; most of West Germany is lost (for now)… BTW, congrats at reaching 200k words, and hoping for many more to come... There is still fighting in West Germany, but, yes, the focus is going further west. 200k is a lot!
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Post by James G on Nov 1, 2019 19:24:13 GMT
125 – An impassable line
The new orders for the 16th Guards Tank Division ran ‘advance towards and reach the frontier with the Netherlands before midnight’. Such an instruction to achieve this objective came from the very top – Marshal Ogarkov – downwards through the commanders of the First Western Front and then the Second Guards Tank Army. It was well understood that the division which had won significant battles earlier in the day at Laatzen followed only hours later at Bad Oeynhausen was in a bad shape with major losses incurred. The 16th Guards Division stood a good chance of being broken for good in making this advance. Regardless, those orders were sent. Reaching the Dutch border was of more importance that the fate of that one formation nor its thousands of remaining soldiers. Reinforced with attached units – none of them at full strength either – ahead of the drive westwards through the northwestern part of West Germany, the Soviets pushed forwards. They followed the route taken by Autobahn-30 as that highway ran between the Wiehen Hills and the edges of the Teutoburg Forest. The corridor was in many ways a ‘gap’ between the high ground north and south but the gap was full of obstacles on the way. Several large towns and then the city of Osnabruck were present and then the was the River Ems close to the Netherlands. The autobahn was blocked by civilian vehicles – part of that the responsibility of the Soviet Air Force in earlier ‘helpful’ air strikes to hit NATO units among the refugee traffic – and smaller roads weren’t as useful for navigation purposes as the near straight highway was. The forested hills either side allowed for defenders to make use of them to cover from observation incoming counterattacks from the flanks and would also aid NATO air attacks as well on their way in. West German Territorial troops, while few in number still, would be present to provide any blockage they could. In addition, the Dutch Army was mobilising at breakneck speed back in their homeland and were certain to fast react to the threat coming directly towards them: that autobahn was on the Amsterdam-Berlin route and went through an area of the Netherlands where the Dutch had their army bases too meaning it would be a quick access route into West Germany for them.
The darkness came in as night approach. It was the end of Summer and while the days were still long with plenty of hours of light, there weren’t as many of those as there were earlier in the month. The West Germans were pulling down road signs and were undertaking damaging demolitions. Soviet tanks and infantry carriers rolled on regardless. They went past Bünde and Enger then Melle. These West German towns were beside the course of Autobahn-30 but not entered by the 16th Guards Division. There was no intention of getting into fights within them in what would surely slow down the progress of the advance. That advance went across the countryside just south of the highway. Firefights – almost each time instigated by enemy ambushes – took place alongside countless instances of sub-units getting lost as they moved, especially as it got darker. NATO aircraft came racing in, from over the high ground on the flanks as expected. SAMs and anti-aircraft guns fired on them. The Soviet Army had a lot of air defence assets and they did achieve many kills. British Tornados and American F-111s had their wings swept back and bombs fell away from the aircraft as they flashed over the 16th Guards Division at unbelievable low level. They did damage in spite of the Soviet efforts to stop them, losing jets but killing the enemy. Onwards, the division drove though: always onwards. Osnabruck was bypassed and then there was a major engagement with West German tanks near to the village of Lotte. The interchange between the east-west running Autobahn-30 and the north-south Autobahn-1 was located here. Two battalions of tanks, one of Leopard-1s and the other Leopard-2s, did stellar work in an ambush that the Soviets missed the signs of and they blunted the advance just after ten o’clock that night. Infantry from a Territorial unit rushed forwards afterwards, crashing into the shocked Soviets. The West Germans had been promised air support at this crucial time with the Luftwaffe and the Royal Netherlands Air Force both supposed to show up. Neither did though. Those Alpha Jets and F-16s had met Soviet MiG-29s in the sky (those fighters were flying from the captured West German airbase at Wunstorf) and were unable to get through. Without the air support, those on the ground weren’t able to halt the Soviets from attacking as they recovered from the opening of the ambush. The Battle of Lotte turned from a near NATO victory to a Soviet one. The 16th Guards Division received air support of its own. Part of a regiment of Sukhoi-17s (these based back in East Germany and yet to transfer to an occupied site forward) got past NATO defences and blasted the whole area with bombs and rockets. Many of the West Germany infantry were killed and the tankers all around them missed their presence at once as they couldn’t help fight off the onrush of Soviet tanks. As the fighting died down, the autobahn flyover, which had survived a lot in this war already, came crashing down in a controlled demolition. It was a rather dramatic finale to the fight, a pointless one too.
Pushing onwards, there was a different type of opposition past Lotte: water. The Mittelland Canal and also the Dortmund-Ems Canal were located before the Ems River. The width of the artificial waterways wasn’t wide but it was enough to pose a delay. Every crossing in the area had been blown up by West German engineers. They’d done this a few hours before in a panic when Soviet helicopters were spotted and the fear was that they were carrying air assault troopers. Those Hinds hadn’t been laden with riflemen yet the demolition charges had gone off… trapping those friendly tankers and infantrymen near Lotte from any possible chance of retreat should they have been able to get away. Combat bridging units assigned to the 16th Guards Division had taken immense losses in the fighting on the Weser and then targeted on the way here in NATO air strikes. What few there were still active started throwing temporary crossings over the canals in several places. The tanks and infantry carriers rolled over. This had taken time though. It was now midnight. The division was still some distance short of the border. The delay inflicted here would ultimately cost them much. By the time the Ems was approached, near to the town of Rheine, the Soviets met the Dutch in battle. Armoured reconnaissance were east of the river with heavier units on the western side. This was the 4th Infantry Division. They had two heavy brigades out and now inside West Germany. The Ems was made an impassable line by their presence. The Soviets tested that though. The 16th Guards Division, its men dead tired now and pushed to their very limits of endurance, engaged what Dutch units they ran into on the eastern side and then went close to the water. Devastating fire came from across the Ems. Dutch tanks and missilemen blew up T-64s, T-80s, BMP-1s and BMP-2s. Pushing through the accurate shooting, the Soviets still came onwards and attempted a forced crossing in the face of this near to the village of Gellendorf. They put some men over the Ems and there was a moment when it looked like they might pull off the impossible. Forwards came the Dutch though, using their Leopard-2 tanks as well as many infantrymen carrying their anti-tank missiles. In the skies above, NATO aircraft and helicopters from many nations showed up. Those Soviets who got over the river were quickly cut off and then overcome in the early hours. Back over on the other side, the Soviets had meanwhile moved into the recently abandoned Rheine-Hopsten Airbase from where the Luftwaffe had evacuated earlier. It was quite a prize to take and would be somewhere that the Soviet Air Force would be making use of. It wasn’t getting over the Ems and into the Netherlands though. That objective had been one which the 16th Guards Division had failed to do. In getting this far, throughout the many engagements that they’d had all day, the division was now left at just over twenty per cent of pre-war strength. Attached units had suffered even worse. Nonetheless, it was still fighting despite such shocking casualties being inflicted. The Dutch on the river were engaged while West German Territorials in the wider area also made their attacks in the early hours. Yet, going further west would be up to others… those currently rolling over the Weser at Bad Oeynhausen heading this way. The Third Shock Army was only a few hours away now.
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Post by redrobin65 on Nov 1, 2019 20:42:56 GMT
I saw in an earlier update rhat the Soviets are getting close to Bonn. Taking that would we quite symbolic for them, even if the West German government is in some bunker instead of their capital.
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Post by James G on Nov 1, 2019 20:49:28 GMT
I saw in an earlier update rhat the Soviets are getting close to Bonn. Taking that would we quite symbolic for them, even if the West German government is in some bunker instead of their capital. Bonn is close to where tomorrow's update will see the fighting. There was a bunker for the government in the Rhineland but soon enough they'll have to relocate, possibly to the Saar or maybe Aachen.
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Post by James G on Nov 1, 2019 21:48:08 GMT
Help requested: Soon enough, the story will move to an Interlude. There will be a short story within the TL about a married pair of undercover agents living in the UK. They'll get a heads up of what is coming into the Norfolk airheads. I'd like to request ideas from readers as to what they could / would do with regard to assisting the air-landing and subsequent miltary activities. I'd rather not have them as James & Jane Bond being action heroes but something else. So this is a call for ideas to add to what little I currently have. Feel free to PM to discuss in detail alongside what I have, or just post ideas here whenever they come to you. I promise to give consideration to all suggestions.
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Post by lordroel on Nov 1, 2019 21:58:18 GMT
Help requested: Soon enough, the story will move to an Interlude. There will be a short story within the TL about a married pair of undercover agents living in the UK. They'll get a heads up of what is coming into the Norfolk airheads. I'd like to request ideas from readers as to what they could / would do with regard to assisting the air-landing and subsequent miltary activities. I'd rather not have them as James & Jane Bond being action heroes but something else. So this is a call for ideas to add to what little I currently have. Feel free to PM to discuss in detail alongside what I have, or just post ideas here whenever they come to you. I promise to give consideration to all suggestions. What about those from the TV Series The Americans
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Post by forcon on Nov 1, 2019 22:10:55 GMT
Help requested: Soon enough, the story will move to an Interlude. There will be a short story within the TL about a married pair of undercover agents living in the UK. They'll get a heads up of what is coming into the Norfolk airheads. I'd like to request ideas from readers as to what they could / would do with regard to assisting the air-landing and subsequent miltary activities. I'd rather not have them as James & Jane Bond being action heroes but something else. So this is a call for ideas to add to what little I currently have. Feel free to PM to discuss in detail alongside what I have, or just post ideas here whenever they come to you. I promise to give consideration to all suggestions. Here are some thoughts: 1) Providing transport/access to weapons caches to Spetsnaz or VDV pathfinder units landing just ahead of the main assault. 2) Perhaps they could be used to mark the drop zone for the main force as opposed to having pathfinders do it. 3) Surveilling the nearby Brirish garrisons and/or their routes to the dropzones and providing that intelligence to the VDV. 4) This may be going too far into the territory of Bond or the activites of SOF, but guiding in airstrikes on inportant targets during the invasion? 5) Electronically listening in on British comms and reporting back - this could tie in with #3. My thinking is that spies pre-positioned in the UK could be less risky than sending in additional pathfinder/Spetsnaz teams with a higher chance of being compromised and eliminating the element if surprise. The downside of course is that the spies are doing work they aren't really trained for. These are preliminary thoughts: I may PM you with more detailed concepts tomorrow.
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Post by amir on Nov 1, 2019 22:33:05 GMT
James- second all the above.
Marking for pathfinder teams- VDV trained to jump on a beacon- one for the AC and a Light marker for the drop. Not necessarily the main DZ, but one big enough to drop a small team- 750x600 yards is big enough for a six man team static line drop in one pass from low level. So a two agent team could mark and activate multiple such areas on a time delay.
These pathfinders could fall in on prepositioned civilian transport acquired by the agents to head to their actual drop zones or other objectives. Imaging sending a team to secure a local hgv fuel station or bus depot...
Another task would be creating diversions/disruption by laying spike bars, felled trees, etc on routes leading to the DZs allowing the VDV more time to assemble.
Finally, they can provide up to date route reconnaissance data to the force on landing.
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Post by stevep on Nov 2, 2019 11:09:50 GMT
Help requested: Soon enough, the story will move to an Interlude. There will be a short story within the TL about a married pair of undercover agents living in the UK. They'll get a heads up of what is coming into the Norfolk airheads. I'd like to request ideas from readers as to what they could / would do with regard to assisting the air-landing and subsequent miltary activities. I'd rather not have them as James & Jane Bond being action heroes but something else. So this is a call for ideas to add to what little I currently have. Feel free to PM to discuss in detail alongside what I have, or just post ideas here whenever they come to you. I promise to give consideration to all suggestions.
Added to what's been said already and depending on what sort of role their been placing some basic intelligence gathering, especially say if the female member has got placed into some sort of club or social group with some of the wives of whatever military group is based nearby. While deploring the brutality of the Soviet attack and the murders carried out as well they might well get some useful gossip. Its a lot different from 1940 with an awareness of the threat of invasion and the Soviet sneak attack so some careless talk could quite possibly come out.
Of course you could end up with them being killed by a Spetsnaz team or other group their meant to link up with or being one of the gas victims of an attack.
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Post by James G on Nov 2, 2019 20:17:10 GMT
Help requested: Soon enough, the story will move to an Interlude. There will be a short story within the TL about a married pair of undercover agents living in the UK. They'll get a heads up of what is coming into the Norfolk airheads. I'd like to request ideas from readers as to what they could / would do with regard to assisting the air-landing and subsequent miltary activities. I'd rather not have them as James & Jane Bond being action heroes but something else. So this is a call for ideas to add to what little I currently have. Feel free to PM to discuss in detail alongside what I have, or just post ideas here whenever they come to you. I promise to give consideration to all suggestions. What about those from the TV Series The AmericansThe piece will be titled 'The Britons' as a reference to that show. I've seen the first two seasons: enjoyed the first one better. They were a big James & Jane Bond though. Necessary because it is a TV show with ratings to consider. I'll have a look again though at ideas there: thank you for the suggestion. Here are some thoughts: 1) Providing transport/access to weapons caches to Spetsnaz or VDV pathfinder units landing just ahead of the main assault. 2) Perhaps they could be used to mark the drop zone for the main force as opposed to having pathfinders do it. 3) Surveilling the nearby Brirish garrisons and/or their routes to the dropzones and providing that intelligence to the VDV. 4) This may be going too far into the territory of Bond or the activites of SOF, but guiding in airstrikes on inportant targets during the invasion? 5) Electronically listening in on British comms and reporting back - this could tie in with #3. My thinking is that spies pre-positioned in the UK could be less risky than sending in additional pathfinder/Spetsnaz teams with a higher chance of being compromised and eliminating the element if surprise. The downside of course is that the spies are doing work they aren't really trained for. These are preliminary thoughts: I may PM you with more detailed concepts tomorrow. These are good ideas: weapons and transport especially. They will be far out of their depth. I'm thinking they are spies on an espionage mission with the 'remote' possibility that one day they will be called upon to assist SF ops against airbases in Norfolk/Suffolk suddenly becoming something more than they ever expected! James- second all the above. Marking for pathfinder teams- VDV trained to jump on a beacon- one for the AC and a Light marker for the drop. Not necessarily the main DZ, but one big enough to drop a small team- 750x600 yards is big enough for a six man team static line drop in one pass from low level. So a two agent team could mark and activate multiple such areas on a time delay. These pathfinders could fall in on prepositioned civilian transport acquired by the agents to head to their actual drop zones or other objectives. Imaging sending a team to secure a local hgv fuel station or bus depot... Another task would be creating diversions/disruption by laying spike bars, felled trees, etc on routes leading to the DZs allowing the VDV more time to assemble. Finally, they can provide up to date route reconnaissance data to the force on landing. Again some good ideas here. I'm thinking now that they can host someone better-experienced to do that for them while they provide the support. Getting a supply of fuel would be very useful too. The whole mission will rely on an air-link - seaborne route is out - and capturing fuel would help ease that strain greatly!
Added to what's been said already and depending on what sort of role their been placing some basic intelligence gathering, especially say if the female member has got placed into some sort of club or social group with some of the wives of whatever military group is based nearby. While deploring the brutality of the Soviet attack and the murders carried out as well they might well get some useful gossip. Its a lot different from 1940 with an awareness of the threat of invasion and the Soviet sneak attack so some careless talk could quite possibly come out.
Of course you could end up with them being killed by a Spetsnaz team or other group their meant to link up with or being one of the gas victims of an attack. I like the idea of the local connection for gossip. I want them to be community members - Neighbour Watch members! - and that could be real useful. No one in the UK will be expecting a Sealion so, yes, loose lips will be useful. An eventual demise at friendly hands is also something else I like the sound of too!
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Post by James G on Nov 2, 2019 20:19:08 GMT
126 – To the Rhine
The French made it to the stretch of the Rhine between Bonn and Koblenz in time with the 7th Armored Division having fought through refugee traffic to get to the western side of the river. Their tanks, armoured vehicles and infantry, plus also plenty of heavy guns, positioned themselves back behind the West Germans who were close to the water. The French were ready to counterattack a crossing of the Rhine and drive the Soviets back. This arrival of such a strong reinforcement came after nine o’clock on the Monday night. It had involved the French taking significant detours on the way to get around the hordes of fleeing civilians – whom the West German authorities were helpless in the face of – and thus arriving later than they had hoped to. Even if they hadn’t been so delayed, they could have done nothing to reverse the situation on the other side of the river, over in the Westerwald. The hills and woodland there were full of what remained of their own fellow French I Corps soldiers where the last of the 1st Armored Division was wiped out after being so thoroughly run-through earlier in the day. Should this second division had reached here long before it did, going over the Rhine wasn’t an option: that side of the water had already been unofficially surrendered to the approaching enemy. Here where there was hope of putting a stop to the Soviets, the French moved in behind West German Territorials and also their fallschirmjager. The Rhine was to be held here at all costs. The arriving corps headquarters took command of all of those West Germans and also Belgium’s Para–Commando Regiment (two-thirds of the unit; the other third was on pre-war exercise in Canada and currently in transit back to Europe) that arrived by truck too. There were a lot of men and a lot of intent to make a successful stand here.
A trio of tank divisions approached as First Guards Tank Army came close to the Rhine in the hour before midnight. Almost a thousand tanks, many more infantry carriers and (when non-divisional supporting units were counted too) eight hundred plus artillery pieces were involved. Going over that river tonight was the mission, given to the army commander: regardless of who was in the way and what they tried, he was to cross the Rhine here. Eighth Guards Army units had cleared the way ahead and on went all of those tanks. Given the assistance of the 39th Landing–assault Brigade to help, the First Guards Tank Army did as ordered. They got over the river. What a feat it was. What a battle that involved. Many of the helicopters involved in bringing the DShV airmobile troops into the fight were engaged when Belgian Mirage-5s on a ground attack mission discarded their bombs and opened fire with cannons & Sidewinders against defenceless transports laden with men. The surviving helicopters, scattered about all over the place, dropped off their human cargoes in the wrong places and they did little to help the fight overall. BMP-1 & -2 infantry carriers from the tank division’s motor rifle regiments, the main assault force for each of the crossing points to come in behind the airmobile landings, faced attack long before they could reach the water’s edge. What ones didn’t explode or burn when hit unloaded their riflemen into a battlefield where the NATO units over the other side were unleashing waves of artillery. Other attacking aircraft targeted those motor rifle units plus the tanks rolling behind them. Yet, in the face of all of this, onwards the First Guards Tank Army pushed. The attacking units got men to the Rhine and then went over it. Bridging engineers started their work under furious fire and allowed for the crossing operations to commence. In the darkness, punctuated by seemingly a million bright flashes of explosions as the Monday turned into the Tuesday, the crossings were forced.
At Konigswinter, the 25th Tank Division made the attack. Their motor rifle regiment had a torrid time with huge casualties inflicted. The ruins of their BMP-1s would be found in the high ground to the east, down in the town, floating downstream or caught along the banks of the river and on the western side in the smaller town of Bad Godesberg. Dead riflemen were all around these knocked out vehicles too. West German M-113s armoured personal carriers and M-48 tanks also littered the battlefield, though only on the western side. The bodies of so many of the reservists from the 53rd Territorial Brigade were here too. Civilians who had been unable to get away from the towns along the Rhine suffered just as gravely as well. The Belgians had joined in too, also dying here. Their British-built Scorpion light tanks had been unable to help turn the tide nor had their determined paratroopers. Once the crossing was made, despite the near destruction of the majority of that lead regiment, the 25th Division started moving over its tank regiments. T-64s came over the Rhine. They engaged what few M-48s were left operational and also West German blocking points leading out of Bad Godesberg. The Soviets could have gone west or south from here. They went north though. In that direction, just up the road, lay the small city of Bonn: west Germany’s capital. It was undefended but that wasn’t known to those soldiers of the 25th Division who drove towards it expecting a fight. They rolled into Bonn in the early hours and captured it. Bonn had long been abandoned by the West German government and many citizens had left too when missile attacks had come. Important buildings were soon secured as the Soviets seemingly played tourist. They had orders to do this though because there were incoming media teams who would be busy come first light to soon be broadcasting around the world the propaganda value of taking Bonn.
There was no railway or highway bridge at Remagen built to replace the one made famous by its capture by the Americans back in 1945. Forty-two years later, the only crossing over the Rhine here would be made by a ferry link. That was before the Soviet Army’s bridging engineers got here and threw crossings over the river. The 11th Guards Tank Division came across. It cost them their motor rifle regiment and one of the tank regiments too. West German reservists with their 74th Territorial Regiment (no tanks nor armoured vehicles assigned) engaged them but it was the French, committed here in the centre of where the First Guards Tank Army struck, that inflicted the majority of those losses. Their AMX-30s fought with T-80s that came over the Rhine. As the tanks duelled, infantry, engineers & gunners were also involved in the fighting. It was the tank battles which defined the fight though. There were close to two hundred French tanks facing three hundred Soviet ones. Few of them fought near the water’s edge but instead back from the Rhine on the western side. The French made repeated efforts to drive the 11th Guards Division back before they could then turn to the other crossing sites. They couldn’t do it though. The Soviets kept on attacking, even if this fight cost them as much as it did. In came aircraft and helicopters on attack missions from both opposing sides and there was also the employment of nerve gas by the Soviets too. Those inside NBC-sealed tanks fought in regardless. It was three o’clock in the morning before the battle was decided. The French made a retreat to the south, towards Sinzig and protected their withdrawal by going over the lowest stretch of the Ahr River (a tributary of the Rhine which fed into it here) and blowing up their crossing points behind them. The Soviets didn’t give chase. They couldn’t at this stage, not after the major fight that the 11th Guards Division had just faced.
Downstream where the West German’s 26th Airborne & 64th Territorial Brigades fought the Soviet’s 9th Tank Division at the Neuwied-Andernach crossing site, for most of the fight it looked like a NATO victory here was assured. Those fallschirmjager and reservists stopped the Soviets from getting into Andernach with their first and second attempts. Counter shelling into Soviet positions over in Neuwied was done though in a limited fashion because there remained friendly civilians there who hadn’t gotten away in time. The third Soviet attempt was one that the West Germans couldn’t stop. Soviet external fire support had already been significant and the West Germans had fought through that to eliminate the few men who’d gotten over the river, but Andernach suddenly topped the target list of seemingly every Soviet strike weapon within hundreds of miles. There were missiles, rockets, shells and heavy mortars (the latter massive 240mm shells!). Jets and attack helicopters swept in. A series of almighty blasts occurred in the early hours when thermobaric bombs were used. The initial battlefields had been the industrial areas of Andernach alongside the Rhine opposite the bigger town of Neuwied. Those big blasts alongside much of the rest of the fire support was directed elsewhere though, just a little to the south. The imposing Raiffeisenbrücke bridge linking Neuwied to Weissenthurm had been brought down on the Monday evening in a fantastic set of demolition explosions but there was an island in the Rhine which sat below where the bridge had once been. That was used by the Soviets as a helpful stepping stone to get across the river during their third attempt. Braving the immense barrage which kept on coming, the fallschirmjager rushed forwards to head them off. They were cut down. The Soviets were across the Rhine now and reinforcements of so many T-80 tanks joined the riflemen out front. Those reservists with the 64th Brigade responded to instructions from the French I Corps to make a withdrawal and started heading northwards. They got out of Andernach to link up with what was left of the 7th Armored Division and keep on fighting. Behind the Rhine here lay the Eifel region: a defender’s paradise which further Belgian and French forces were already rolling into. The Rhine as a defensive line was lost but the Rhineland would still be a battlefield of NATO resistance. Left behind, West Germany’s paratroopers fought to the very end and died here in what was a heroic but, ultimately, foolish last stand.
In northern Baden–Wurttemberg, three divisions of the Soviet Thirty–Eighth Army were also moving on to the Rhine as well. It wasn’t somewhere they were going to reach though: the Eighth Tank Army would be the ones to get that far and that would have to be done tomorrow by those troops which had come far from their Hungarian garrisons. The Soviet troops out of Czechoslovakia, this field army out front, was still fighting some distance back from the river. They were pushing towards it as a set objective regardless: the commander of the Second Western Front had no intention of telling them to ease up and let someone else take over when the Thirty–Eighth Army could still fight. Tonight, the fight was for the Neckar River. Along its course lay Heidelberg, Heilbronn and Stuttgart. Taking those cities directly wasn’t what the Thirty–Eighth Army was to do. Neither were the NATO military facilities around them, important sites that they were, the aim here. It was getting to and over the Neckar that was sought to be done because that was the last physical blockage ahead of the Rhine beyond.
Now attached to the attacking Soviets was a brigade of Czechoslovaks. The 22nd Special Purpose Airborne Brigade was a good unit with well-trained men. It was employed by the Soviets almost in disdain: dispatched to the front to get in the way of an incoming attack coming from the flank. The Czechoslovaks were sent to Bad Friedrichshall to die. There was a brigade of West German regulars – the 34th Panzer Brigade detached from the 12th Panzer Division, troops still pretty close to the Inner-German Border – racing in a southwestern direction to hit the Thirty–Eighth Army on the flank. The 22nd Brigade was to get in the way and the hopes of them holding out for that long weren’t thought to be great. By then, the Soviet’s 31st Tank Division was supposed to be in a position to handle the threat. At Bad Friedrichshall, the Czechoslovaks did die but they also fought. The West Germans were blocked from coming in from the flank. There was contact on the ground made with the survivors of one of those VDV armoured columns – Column #5, the one which Canadian air power had brought to a halt – where the paratroopers from there had abandoned their stalled vehicles and were out of contact with higher headquarters while on the move in the countryside. The 34th Brigade thus couldn’t get to Heilbronn before the Soviets got there and crossed the Neckar in the face of opposition from West German Territorials. Onwards the tanks of the 31st Division went afterwards, coming up towards Heidelberg from what NATO would consider ‘behind’: that being the western side of the Neckar. As was the way of things, no credit was given to the Czechoslovaks afterwards by the Soviet Army for what they had done here (little mention was made of the 51st Guards Parachute Regiment too) as their own tankers wanted all the plaudits that would come with getting as far as they did.
American and French troops fought both the 15th Guards Tank & 30th Guards Motor Rifle Divisions as the two of them went over the Neckar north of where Stuttgart was. The river line was forced though it was rear-guards who were engaged here: West Germans who’d stayed behind while their allies made a strategic withdrawal. NATO didn’t consider the Neckar in the same manner that the Soviets did and believed that they could do more damage to the enemy away from such a fixed point which the invaders could – and did – target with tremendous amounts of firepower to eliminate defenders of such a narrow waterway. The NATO retreat was something that the Soviets sought to stop from being successful and part of the 30th Guards Division was unleashed. It went up the valley of the Enz River in the direction of Pforzheim. Too fast the tanks and infantry carriers advanced, going beyond their effective anti-air cover and relying upon the darkness to conceal them. This was a grave error. Once spotted racing ahead like they were, retreating NATO ground troops got out of the way and the skies filled with aircraft. Again and again, in came aircraft on bomb runs: this included Canadian F-118 Hornets making their last flight from CFB Baden–Soellingen before that facility was evacuated and the Canadians withdrew across the Rhine into France. There was care taken not to hit civilians in the small towns down the Enz valley though that was difficult to do. Hundreds would become casualties from falling NATO bombs. The Soviets took more casualties though and their mad dash forward came to a halt. A whole regiment from the 30th Guards Division was lost for no good purpose.
In the early hours, other large air attacks took place throughout Baden–Wurttemberg against the Thirty–Eighth Army. The Soviets had overrun large portions of this West German state and were closing up on the Rhine here. They weren’t going southwards – leaving NATO forces still in Bavaria not yet directly cut off – only west. The NATO effort in the skies couldn’t stop the Soviets below them but it did make sure that this would be as far as this targeted army below them would come. It would have to be the Eighth Tank Army that would need to be used to continue the advance. The attacks also covered their own withdrawal out of the area too (CFB Baden–Soellingen would only fall the next day but other bases were already lost). What attention turned to next was what to do with the forward positions still held south of where there had been withdrawals from and all those NATO troops there… some of whom were still on the Danube as the Rhine now became the frontline! And, of course, other NATO attention, especially French concern, was on what to do now that the Rhine had been successfully crossed. Was it going to be a bucket of sunshine breakfast for the Soviet Army tomorrow morning?
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