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Post by stevep on Oct 28, 2019 15:38:04 GMT
120 – Soviet reinforcementsWhatever NATO could get to into place to manage to oppose the second wave – and that didn’t look like much as they were being destroyed by the first wave –, what could they possibly find in terms of forces to stop the third wave?
Well there's an obvious answer to that but like the Axis powers in WWII Moscow seems to be indulging in wishful thinking that the western powers will do what they want them to do.
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Post by stevep on Oct 28, 2019 15:43:28 GMT
Link to an excellent piece on Soviet Army late 80s military readiness: www.ww2.dk/new/army/readiness.htm Tomorrow's update: West Berlin finale and the fighting in Norway, Denmark & Greece/Turkey. After that, moving down to the Middle East and the Pacific before the story returns to Western Europe again.
Very interesting, thanks.
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Post by James G on Oct 28, 2019 20:45:09 GMT
That is very true. This time, NATO didn't have its armies out ready and waiting. Also, I wanted to do something very different with the speed of the conflict this time.
I do like the change. Rather interesting to see how NATO would adapt in a "bolt out of the blue" attack in the late 1980s.
Good to hear. 'Not very well' is the answer to that. A march on the English Channel has started and doesn't look like it can be stopped.
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Post by James G on Oct 28, 2019 20:46:07 GMT
120 – Soviet reinforcementsWhatever NATO could get to into place to manage to oppose the second wave – and that didn’t look like much as they were being destroyed by the first wave –, what could they possibly find in terms of forces to stop the third wave?
Well there's an obvious answer to that but like the Axis powers in WWII Moscow seems to be indulging in wishful thinking that the western powers will do what they want them to do.
At the moment, that is the case though... only in Europe. Elsewhere, in tomorrow's update, the West is playing by it's won rules.
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Post by James G on Oct 28, 2019 20:48:17 GMT
121 – European flanks
At Tana Bru, the Norwegians blew up the bridge over the Tana River in the face of the approaching Soviet Army. The leading elements of a motor rifle regiment – PT-76 light tanks and MT-LB armoured personnel carriers – were within sight of this river crossing when explosive charges dropped it perfectly into the ice cold water below. There had been airmobile troops who’d been holding the bridge since the war began and did so for more than twenty-four hours. Those men had been beaten off in a Norwegian counterattack though with the majority of the 1179th Air Assault Battalion killed or wounded ahead of their incoming relief. Norwegian tanks, Leopard-1s, had supported the infantry too coming from the Porsanger Garrison to drive the Soviet DShV back. The major in command of the battalion of riflemen dying all around him had repeatedly requested permission to blow the bridge to deny it to the enemy. That was refused: the bridge was wanted for the use of the 55th Army Corps. If the Norwegians blew it up, then that was that: no deliberate Soviet-caused destruction would occur though. Civilians and a few scattered Norwegian soldiers from the South Varanger Garrison (another Norwegian battalion-sized unit, this one down on the Soviet border) crossed over if they could and then the demolition occurred when the enemy armoured vehicles came within two kilometres. The engineers did a great job and were proud of their work. They were aware too that there were still more of their fellow soldiers plus civilians still on the other side. The Soviets had spent the war’s first day and then into the next completing their occupation of everywhere east of Tana Bru. They’d brought forward two regiments of motor rifle troops – detached from parent divisions because they were Full Strength units whereas the larger formations were Reduced Readiness ones and took a little time to mobilise. There was only one good road which ran through South Varanger and it had been one which the Soviets had used. They’d bypassed the town of Kirkenes and kept on coming. Tana Bru was as far as they would be going though, for now at least.
Most of the Norwegian Army was gathering further away to the west: where the Americans, the Canadians and the British (the latter now just a battalion of Royal Marines, 45 Commando, instead of any larger force) were also assembling. The main defensive line was to be at the chokepoint next to the Lyngenfjorden. They didn’t know that the Soviet offensive was only planned to go half that distance, to the Porsangerfjorden instead. Regardless, in the area in between from where the Tana River formed a barrier at the narrowest point on land between the Arctic seas and Finland too, the Norwegians had men forward there. They were scattered special forces and commando units everywhere in between. The whole area was a guerrilla’s paradise; an occupier’s nightmare. It was going to take some time for the Norwegians and their NATO allies to understand what the Soviets weren’t going to be doing. In the meantime, the 55th Army Corps would have to come over the Tana River and go through Finnmark towards the Porsangerfjorden. They still hadn’t employed their full forces – as little as they were – here. Lone brigades of (further) airmobile troops and marines were still unused and the rest of those two motor rifle divisions were also due to enter Norway. Limited objectives they all had but that didn’t mean that it was a small force. The size composition, plus rate of entry, reflected what the Soviets believed that they could realistically operate and supply here in such unfriendly terrain. They were also fully aware of what the Norwegians intended to do with their commandos. In the skies above, Norwegian F-16s were now undertaking full combat mission after a slow start. Their home base off in distant Bodo had been strongly hit at the opening of the war with ballistic missiles. The survivors of two squadrons of strike-fighters made use of various other airbases and forward operating stations afterwards though they found that there were Soviet Spetsnaz active. There was sniping done at distance which killed personnel, mortars were lofted close-in and there were also firings of SAMs from man-portable launchers when take-offs & landings were occurring. This was an unpleasant experience for the Norwegian Air Force and it restricted their operations. When they did fly, they were outnumbered. The Soviets were using good aircraft themselves and were taking control of the skies. They’d downed more Norwegians than their opponents had done to theirs. Other Norwegian fighters were soon promised from elsewhere in the country with the Americans & Canadians too sending fighters, but in the meantime, Soviet MiGs were appearing further & further westwards each time. They were quick to cover the Soviet Army engineers at Tana Bru too. A new crossing, of several planned, was being built. It couldn’t replace the downed bridge yet it would provide the 55th Army Corps with a way across to keep moving deeper, as slow as they did, into Norway.
The stretch of Autobahn-7 between Flensburg and the town of Schleswig (the former up close to the Danish border; the latter halfway to Kiel) saw Soviet air activity above it too. MiG-29s were flying out of the captured Schleswig Airbase and they tangled with Danish F-16s over a wide area of sky to keep them clear. In came Soviet bombers once the NATO fighter threat was gone. Backfires, usually employed for the missile-carrying role, could carry bombs too. The Tu-22Ms followed the course of the highway at low level and dropped their belly cargo: each had sixty-nine 500lb bombs. Hundreds of high explosive weapons of war fell to the ground. The majority missed the narrow target directly but that didn’t matter much. Their combined effect was enough to kill those below and destroy their capability. Those were more Danes, supporting troops for one of their combat brigades with the Jutland Division. The 3rd Infantry Brigade had men at the frontlines very close to the outskirts of Schleswig and they were under attack by MiG-27s as well as Mil-24s. Defensive anti-air fire at the frontlines had already hurt Soviet air efforts gravely but behind them, reconnaissance had spotted there being little in the way of air defences. The Danes were still getting themselves sorted out – this was only one brigade of the three they had up in Jutland – and they were relying on their fighters to cover their rear more than ground-based air defences. Those falling bombs from the Backfires caused a wave of destruction on and off the autobahn. Military trucks and supporting armoured vehicles were caught up in this. Hundreds upon hundreds of Danish soldiers were killed. So too were West German civilians. The southbound carriageway was being used by the Danes but the northbound lanes were full of cars, buses and trucks. Tens of thousands of civilians were making their escape, fleeing the war behind them and heading for the safety they believed was in Denmark. Accidents and breakdowns had brought about one long jam; this only got worse when people abandoned their vehicles and started walking. Now the Soviets dropped bombs on them. It wasn’t deliberate though there was an awareness that this highway was full of civilians. Still, the military need was pressing and so Autobahn-7 was bombed regardless of the cost in human lives.
Denmark itself had yet to be invaded. East German paratroopers and Soviet Naval Infantry had landed on the eastern, Baltic side of Schleswig-Holstein at the opening of the conflict to secure air & naval sites. They’d been reinforced by Soviet tanks airlifted in and then an East German motorised infantry division coming up towards them. There’d been no fighting for the urban areas of either Hamburg nor Lubeck and only a little of that seen in Kiel. Half of the Kiel Canal was in the hands of the East German V Corps though it was unusable already. That wasn’t a major objective though. Destroying NATO forces in the area, here already in the northernmost region of West Germany and those moving in from Denmark, was the mission. It would mean an ongoing advance up into Jutland too: the whole peninsula was full or airbases & airports as well as further military sites from where Danish and West German resistance would come as well as the still expected British arrival. While there were no invading forces yet in Denmark, the country had been attacked like others in the NATO alliance with air strikes and the entry of special forces since the door had been kicked open. The Combined Baltic Fleet – Soviet, East German and Polish vessels with air cover – was active fighting the Danish Navy and what was left of the West German Navy that wasn’t caught in port. An invasion of Zealand was expected and this was being defended against; the Danes had no idea that the Polish troops they feared attacking Copenhagen were going to be few in number and going into Jutland soon enough too. Like Norway, this whole flank of where the majority of the war was taking place elsewhere in Europe remained a battlefield.
West Berlin was no longer a battlefield though. At 14:00 hours local time on August 24th, a city-wide ceasefire came into effect. Starting an hour later, East German and Soviet forces moved forward to take the surrender of the remainders of the garrisons of Western troops. For thirty-three hours a defence of the city had been made. Attacked without warning, surrounded on all sides and with zero external support, those Americans, Britons & French in West Berlin never had a chance. The talks pre-ceasefire and then the surrender was conducted rather professionally. Terms had been offered and accepted. Still, those were harsh terms and non-negotiable. The East German IV Corps moved forward and took custody of soldiers and equipment. Prisoners would be marched off into captivity with the promise of good treatment; all spoils of war were for what the victors chose to do with them. Those spoils would unfortunately include West Berlin’s civilian population when East German paramilitaries came in afterwards. By then though, the defending soldiers from the West were long gone… and finding out what ‘good treatment’ actually meant as well.
It had been the Americans who had made the move to surrender first. The British – what was left of their garrison, not much at that – and the French were informed of the terrible situation that the US Berlin Brigade was in where it was almost out of ammunition and casualties had mounted to a level where it was unsustainable to try to provide for them. Civilian losses were extraordinary too and this was sapping the will of the Americans to fight. Neither the British nor the French commanders thought themselves at the point of surrendering yet – each knew they would have to eventually though – but the Americans did. There was no reason to keep fighting, it was said, when all that was being caused was pointless loss of life. Large parts of the southern half of West Berlin were alight all around them too, adding poorly to their outlook as well. The Americans sent a party forward under a white flag and started the process of giving in. Fighting on regardless was considered by their allies but without the Americans, that was impossible. Their own situations were looked at again. They each had the same issues with ammunition depletion, horrendous losses, civilian casualties mounting all around them and the enemy on all sides. A joint surrender was thus agreed where all three garrisons ceased fighting at the same time. The fighting came to an end here in this outpost deep inside East Germany. Gunfire wouldn’t end though in West Berlin. Those unruly occupying troops that would move in after East German and Soviet regulars left would arrive following the ‘security forces’ that had gone in ahead of them. There was a marked increase in the actions of the Stasi and KGB following the surrender of Western forces as they sought to go after those they foresaw as being certain to make the holding of the city troublesome. War may have left the city but the horrors of occupation continued. The East Germans had been told that no matter what occurred with the particulars at the end of the soon-to-be victorious war, West Berlin would never be given back to the West. The city was liberated and would stay that way.
With Soviet air support but no troops from their Warsaw Pact ally, the Bulgarians were invading Greece. Like his counterpart Erich Honecker up in East Germany, Bulgaria’s leader Todor Zhivkov was told in advance of the coming war. There was still little time to prepare though. The Bulgarian armed forces were sent into action regardless of whether they were ready or not. Thankfully, the Greeks weren’t alerted to the coming attack and were like the rest of their allies wholly unprepared to put an immediate stop to the Bulgarian cross-border attack. Zhivkov sent his armies marching to the Aegean Sea. Greek forces in Thrace and Eastern Macedonia were unable to stop them. Making a strong flanking effort, the Bulgarians used their paratroopers and air-portable mountain troops to imitate their main effort going towards the city of Thessaloniki. The battlefield of Macedonia was a bloodbath. Taken by surprise and fearful of their second city being lost, the Greeks threw in troops and aircraft at a prodigious rate. If the Bulgarians had been serious about occupying Thessaloniki, they never would have gotten there. The geography didn’t favour a main advance into Greece going that way out of Bulgaria though. To be honest, only a little better was the lay of the land for a direct southern attack out of Bulgaria into Thrace to reach the sea. Yet it was that way the Bulgarians went. Access from the wider Thessaloniki area to the coastal region was cut by forward Bulgarian units and then the main force went forward. Greek forces here fought back and they had their successes. However, they weren’t able to stop the Aegean being reached. The Bulgarian Second Army – it fielded several divisions on paper but none of them were at full strength – then turned inwards to try to destroy those Greeks cut off inside. This was no easy feat. Greek aircraft came forward to try to support their trapped men on the ground. Elsewhere, those Greek Army units who had ‘saved’ Thessaloniki were reinforced ready to push eastwards while the Greek Navy was preparing to support amphibious landings into Thrace too. With Soviet troops still transiting through Romania – neutral in this war but with access rights given to Soviet forces on the ground and in the air –, the Bulgarians were on their own and looked in trouble. They believed that they could hold on though especially as this was the scale of what they were attempting to do. Limitations had long been realised when it came to any foolish notion of marching on Athens: holding Thrace was believed possible especially since lines of communication back home were short and could be defended.
Where the Bulgarians were physically cut Greece off from Turkey. There were cross-Aegean connections, ones which the Soviets were attacking, but when it came to what was going on there, there were shocked expressions among members of the alliance that these two nations were part of from those who should have known better. Greece and Turkey were flying aircraft, sailing ships and moving troops about in the Aegean to face off against each other. They weren’t shooting at one another but they each feared that while they were at war with the Soviets, the other would try to attack their territory. It was insane… it was also the reality of Greek-Turkish relations.
Turkey hadn’t been invaded out of Bulgaria though the whole Istanbul area was a battlefield. The country’s biggest city sat on the Bosporus: the northern end of the Turkish Straits. Soviet paratroopers with their 98th Guards Airborne Division had landed either side and were joined later by the 810th Naval Infantry Brigade and then the 23rd Landing–assault Brigade too. These amphibious & airmobile brigades brought in light armour like the airborne division had as well as a lot of good troops. They were all in an area where Turkish Army units, also full of well-trained and well-equipped troops, were present. The Turks outnumbered the Soviets too. The Battle of Istanbul was something that history was sure to remember. Turkish attacks had driven back the majority of Soviet moves out of their points of entry but this was far from over. Starting midday on the Monday, across the Bulgarian-Turkish border came the Bulgarian Third Army. This was a distraction effort as the Bulgarians lacked the capability to get to Istanbul on their own but they were moving that way. The Turks were quick to start peeling away troops around Istanbul to oppose this, fearful that the Soviets – maybe the Romanians would too enter the fighting after a delay? – would be right behind them. From capitals of allies, this decision was criticised yet it was stuck to. For the Soviet soldiers battling for their lives around Istanbul, they relief they got came at the perfect time for them. They were close to defeat beforehand but now the chances of holding out for good to what they had (not that much to be fair) were much better than before. As to these distractions by crossing borders and strategic blunders in defence, the citizens of Istanbul and nearby knew nothing about them. Thousands were dead already, thousands more wounded. The ongoing war for them meant something far more personal as families were killed and lives ruined. Elsewhere, the Soviet invasion into Anatolia from out of Transcaucasia had stalled. The Seventh Guards Army – a mis-mash of many units used because of their readiness state – had been fought to a standstill by Turkish forces in the east of their country. Kurdish guerrilla operations (unrelated to any Soviet interference despite claims to the contrary) and what was happening with Iran and Iraq didn’t stop the Turks from doing this. They were achieving victory here in the east. If the Soviets wanted to march on Ankara, even Istanbul, going through Anatolia, then they weren’t going to be able too. Terrain and the number of available forces favoured the Turks. They knew that… so did their opponents though. As elsewhere here in the region, with Greece as it was Turkey, this fight was all a sideshow for the main event elsewhere.
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Post by stevep on Oct 29, 2019 10:25:32 GMT
Well there's an obvious answer to that but like the Axis powers in WWII Moscow seems to be indulging in wishful thinking that the western powers will do what they want them to do.
At the moment, that is the case though... only in Europe. Elsewhere, in tomorrow's update, the West is playing by it's won rules.
The problem is that Europe is the vital region for the Europeans and given the economic/military resources at this date pretty much the most important for the US as well. The distractions in the Balkans, Norway and Denmark are useful for the Soviets in terms of tying down forces but if they win the total victory they seem to be after then those regions will fall as well. At this stage nowhere else where fighting is occuring, with the possible exception of Japan is of minor importance.
Pity the Turks and Greeks are being so myopic but definitely a possibility with the ancient hatreds between the two.
It would have been risky but if the Norwegians had waited for the Soviets to advance just over another 2k before blowing that bridge. It wouldn't have made a massive difference to the war in the north but would have been a useful boost to moral.
You have mentioned how Moscow seems to have deluded itself that they were facing a possible western attack. Of course with the fake meeting in Vienna to 'ease tension', all the terrorist attacks, obviously long planned and the Soviet support for Iraq and Iran and provocations in the ME the west will be equally certain this was all planned by Moscow, probably for quite some time. Which means they won't trust a word the Soviets say so anything short of them being driven back at least as far as the pre-war border will be off the table.
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Post by forcon on Oct 29, 2019 12:07:25 GMT
The Turks, as expected, aren't doing too badly. They're well-equiped and have a very big army, while the troops attacking them are the Bulgarians and airborne elements with what I would presume are second-rate Soviet follow-on elements: I think they and the Greeks can hold their own. I know the attacks on the flanks are largely distraction movements, but it would make Moscow very happy if they did sucesfully capture the banks of the Bosporus.
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Post by James G on Oct 29, 2019 20:20:13 GMT
At the moment, that is the case though... only in Europe. Elsewhere, in tomorrow's update, the West is playing by it's won rules.
The problem is that Europe is the vital region for the Europeans and given the economic/military resources at this date pretty much the most important for the US as well. The distractions in the Balkans, Norway and Denmark are useful for the Soviets in terms of tying down forces but if they win the total victory they seem to be after then those regions will fall as well. At this stage nowhere else where fighting is occuring, with the possible exception of Japan is of minor importance.
Pity the Turks and Greeks are being so myopic but definitely a possibility with the ancient hatreds between the two.
It would have been risky but if the Norwegians had waited for the Soviets to advance just over another 2k before blowing that bridge. It wouldn't have made a massive difference to the war in the north but would have been a useful boost to moral.
You have mentioned how Moscow seems to have deluded itself that they were facing a possible western attack. Of course with the fake meeting in Vienna to 'ease tension', all the terrorist attacks, obviously long planned and the Soviet support for Iraq and Iran and provocations in the ME the west will be equally certain this was all planned by Moscow, probably for quite some time. Which means they won't trust a word the Soviets say so anything short of them being driven back at least as far as the pre-war border will be off the table.
That is the key to it. Reach the English Channel, Western Europe collapses, the rest of the continent caves in, NATO folds, and then Moscow will deal one-on-one with a defeated US but give them a 'good peace'. Madness but being done. The Greece and Turkey will be repeated, in a worse fashion, in the Middle East between two opponents: see below. I did consider that with the bridge, but if something had gone wrong at the last minute, that bridge could have been lost. The Norwegian already retook it once to give them a boost. Pontoon bridges will go up but the sturdiness of a highway bridge in such a place as that can't be repeated. They really believed that in Moscow. In the West, they will see everything going back forty years as an stepping stone to this one attack: Soviet ast minute deception will 'prove' that. The scale of this war too will make honest talks near impossible too. The Turks, as expected, aren't doing too badly. They're well-equiped and have a very big army, while the troops attacking them are the Bulgarians and airborne elements with what I would presume are second-rate Soviet follow-on elements: I think they and the Greeks can hold their own. I know the attacks on the flanks are largely distraction movements, but it would make Moscow very happy if they did sucesfully capture the banks of the Bosporus. Greece and Turkey were both well-prepared. they've each made mistakes but can recover from them. Millions of Soviet troops aren't going to pour this way so eventually they win. What they really want is to retake what little is lost though. Should the Soviets take the Bosporus, that means occupying Istanbul fully... good luck with that! Then, of course, the Straits are more than just that. And too there are the Aegean Islands. The whole area is set up to forestall an attacker.
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Post by James G on Oct 29, 2019 20:26:28 GMT
122 – Permission denied
Estimations for the casualties suffered by the United States on the first day of the war were at about the ten thousand mark. This was dead and seriously wounded military personnel in several theatres of war. A third of that figure came from the loss of the carrier USS Carl Vinson though that didn’t take away from the fact that in Western Europe, American losses with US Army & US Air Force personnel were horrendous. The use of chemicals against garrisons where men slept, not even getting the chance to see the enemy, was behind many more of the losses incurred. Direct combat losses were still shockingly high and it was them which would see the number of casualties on the second day skyrocket too. To think that United States wasn’t going to do anything dramatic in reaction might have been the thinking in Moscow, but that was foolish. The Americans were aiming to hit back as hard as possible anywhere that they could in response to bring the cost of the war home to the Soviet Union… literally. RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus had been struck by cruise missiles at the opening of the war though there had been some warning due to the overflights of them above Turkey from where the Bear bombers launched from up in the Black Sea. British and Cypriot casualties were taken and the Americans present did lose personnel though the number wasn’t that high due to the (little) time given for them to prepare for what was coming their way. This effective outpost in the Eastern Mediterranean had been targeted because the US Air Force was flying a large detachment of F-117 stealth aircraft from here for operations first over Iraq and then later Iran. The Soviet leadership had been worried over those aircraft and their capability to strike Soviet targets as part of America’s ‘pre-war aggression’. Their fears were proved right, though only once the United States had been struck first. Now the F-117s were flying against Soviet targets. Seven strikes were made in the early hours. Bombs were dropped deep inside the Rodina at military targets up through the Ukraine, the Crimea and into the Caucasus. One of them was hit by a SAM returning from a bombing run near to Sevastopol and came down over the Black Sea when trying to make it back to friendly territory but that was it: Soviet air defences didn’t touch the other six aircraft. NATO allies were rather alarmed afterwards when they found out because the Americans hadn’t told them what they were about to do. This could have looked like a nuclear attack and caused the Soviets to overreact those allies expressed in their post-strike concerns. They were correct too: at one point, where Ligachev and his inner circle were safe in their bunker far from Moscow, there was the fear that it was. Cooler heads prevailed when it became apparent that this wasn’t a strike with strategic weapons. There had been a moment when some of those in the bunker almost lost control before their comrades calmed them down. Outside, no one knew that though, especially not the Americans. Using their stealth aircraft based in Cyprus, plus others deploying to new sites away from their desert base in Nevada, F-117s would soon be back in Soviet skies bringing the war home to them. No Soviet strikes had taken place against American soil and it appeared to the Reagan Administration that there was to be some sort of belief with the Soviet leadership that in turn no American strikes would come against their homeland. That wasn’t going to happen, not when so many Americans were being killed like they were around the world.
Mass casualty losses occurred for the Soviet Navy on the war’s second day. The US Navy got its revenge for the Vinson. In the Med., while the USS Saratoga was temporarily out of action after being hit yesterday, the rest of the Sixth Fleet was active. Two submarines got up close to the Fifth Squadron: the Soviet’s Black Sea Fleet forward detachment. It was close to Syria and had partial air cover. Those land-based fighters didn’t stop the torpedoes from the submarines below the waves. The helicopter-carrier Leningrad and the missile-cruiser Slava were each sunk. Thirteen hundred sailors were aboard the two ships. There were many rescued yet many more weren’t. Some of those rescued from the water by other warships with the Fifth Squadron then were onboard more sunken vessels too when a mix of Egyptian, French, Israeli and Italian aircraft made attacks throughout the day. None of these had the spectacular success that those two American subs had in the face of defensive missile fire from the remaining warships, plus their air strikes weren’t co-ordinated, but they did get their licks in. The US Navy wasn’t finished either and came at the Soviets with their warships exchanging missile shots with the Fifth Squadron as it got closer to Syria hitting a few more ships. If they thought that they were going to be safe there, that was going to be shown to be false. The Saratoga was afterwards heading for Italy where repairs would be sought, possibly Spain though if there was too much Soviet long-range air activity above the Italian Peninsula. Racing towards the Med. to take her place was the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower. This second carrier had been at sea when the war started and was crossing the North Atlantic to join the US Navy force here. A day out from the Gibraltar Straits, a Soviet submarine moving into attack was spotted and struck at first. It was sunk and the Eisenhower sailed onwards. Libya and Syria, aligned with the Soviets, were going to feel the full force of the carrier’s striking power along with whatever was left of the Fifth Squadron by that point. There would be a Turkish Straits mission – the carrier wouldn’t come close but stay back in the Aegean Sea – too for this soon-to-be busy carrier.
Across in the Persian Gulf, the USS Missouri and the Frunze duked it out in one hell of a fight. Battleship enthusiasts would be jumping for joy at the thought of an Iowa-vs.-Kiev fight… until there was an understanding of the human cost in such an engagement. The day before, the Soviet’s Eighth Squadron (Pacific Fleet units in the Middle East) had failed to get the Missouri and the Frunze had for all intents and purposes ran away afterwards with the American vessel in pursuit. Supported by American and friendly Coalition air power, the Frunze was doomed whether it had gotten the Missouri or not. Flying from the carrier USS Forrestal over in the Red Sea (tanking when above Saudi Arabia), electronic jamming aircraft were active near to the Frunze first. US Navy F-14s clashed with Iranian F-14s too – the aircrews in none of the interceptors seeing each other – as the incoming air strike was aided. The electronic attack included missile firings against radars as well as the passive jamming. A-6s laden with Harpoon missiles appeared in the sky and so too did further Harpoons coming from the Missouri and other warships. Many, many American anti-ship missiles were fired, all bearing-in on the Soviet missile-cruiser at once in a well-timed strike. SAMs flew skywards as the Soviets burnt through some of the jamming using brute force but those inbound missiles were coming in from every direction. The Frunze, nor the few warships with her, would stop them all. Thirty-four hits were achieved. The Missouri would have to officially share the kill once it was confirmed that the huge enemy warship was completely on fire and being abandoned after so many missile impacts, though the battleships’ crew considered the kill ‘theirs’ regardless. Close to six hundred of the seven hundred plus crew wouldn’t get off the burning Frunze. The Missouri would later that night race forward at flank speed where she would target the remains of the ship with her guns and escorting destroyers fired torpedoes into the once mighty vessel as well. Hell… they were just making sure it was finished!
At the same time as the already destroyed Frunze was being sunk by a vengeful US Navy, the Americans came very close to losing another carrier though. The USS Constellation retained her luck (yesterday’s failed Soviet Backfire strike wasn’t to be repeated), but out in the Indian Ocean the USS Ranger was hit by a lone torpedo. She was inbound for the Gulf, on the way before the war started. From under the water some distance off, a Soviet submarine fired four at her. All of them were VA-111s: experimental super-cavitating weapons lancing through the water at two hundred knots. The rocket speed torpedoes were designed to use nuclear warheads because while fast, they weren’t very accurate. It was conventional warheads that they all had though despite protestations from local commanders when the request was made to make a nuclear strike. The Ranger took a glancing blow from the one torpedo and this did cause damage. She could still carry on though and wasn’t going to be stopped from joining the Constellation off Iran. Likewise with their Soviet opponents, the Ranger incident once against saw senior American commanders request authorisation for the use of nuclear weapons. The US Navy believed that they never would have lost the Vinson should they have been able to use nukes and they nearly lost the Ranger because they couldn’t employ them. Any sign of Soviet submarines would be met with nuclear-armed depth charges they said. Refusal came to both the Americans and the Soviets in the field. This was a political decision made by their leaders. Still, the military need was thought there by those in uniform who would keep on making the requests where they said that the use of nuclear weapons at sea could be controlled without further escalation.
There was fighting ongoing across the Middle East on land and in the skies. Israel was now in open warfare with Syria and Soviet forces within that country. Iran and Iraq, both Soviet allies in their war against the West, were still fighting each other too despite everything else going on in the world. Anyone sensible in Baghdad or Tehran would have called a halt… but there was no one with sense in charge in each capital. The Americans down in Southern Iraq, who’d won a famous victory against the Iranians before the war with the Soviet Union, halted offensive operations though. CENTCOM was instructed to hold with General Crist being told that inbound reinforcements from home were being diverted to Europe. It was madness, Crist argued, to do that because the disruption to their deployment would see them not fighting anyone at all for an undetermined time when he was ready to make use of them in Iraq. That wasn’t to be though. There was though the completion of the operations against Soviet forces near to his troops though at their isolated outposts in the rear. Despite a fierce defence, US Marines won control of Umm Qasr from Soviet Naval Infantry. At Ar Rumaylah Airbase, British Paras and Gurkhas opened their attack there but they soon found that the on-scene commander offered a surrender. The composite battalion of Soviet DShV airmobile troops gave up after an initial exchange of fire. It should have been a famous victory for the British but rumours coming of what was happening in Europe dampened spirits at a time when they should have been soaring. At lot of American attention was being focused on Iran at this time too. US Air Force strikes were going into that country like US Navy ones from the Constellation. Iran was fighting back but suffering many losses. Reconnaissance efforts by the Americans were looking further afield: up towards the Soviet border. They were waiting for the Soviet Army to enter Iran and come down to the Gulf. There was no sign of that happening though. This wasn’t something that could be understood by the United States nor its allies. Getting a look inside the complicated state of Soviet-Iran relations would have told them the truth of the matter but that was impossible at the time being. Khomeini was doing what he’d always done and putting Iran first. Letting Soviet troops into his country wasn’t what he regarded as something that would see the survival of him and his regime. They’d never leave, he believed, and so weren’t being invited.
The Pacific was still quiet. The war had yet to spread to this ocean and the a-joining East Asian landmass. Countries here had entered the war though. In a diplomatic blow to Moscow, Japan and the Philippines joined with their American allies in this fight. South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand were all on-side too though not in such an overt way as their neighbours were. Yet, North Korea and Vietnam, Soviet allies, had done nothing and the Soviets themselves weren’t making any military moves in the region apart from defensive preparations. This meant that while war had come to the Pacific, there hadn’t been any real armed clashes yet. It was an odd situation. It was a situation not due to last for long either. Australia and New Zealand (the latter putting aside difficulties with the Americans in the face of an enemy which was the Soviet Union and its actions) were in the late stages of their preparations to move military forces but the Americans were ahead of them. The carrier USS Midway had sailed from Japan after the (welcome) surprise of not being attacked in port; USS Enterprise had left Pearl Harbor too with her escort group attacking marine life on the way when it was mistaken for a Soviet submarine. Two more American carriers – USS Kitty Hawk and USS Nimitz – were to leave West Coast bases soon enough. This ocean belonged to the US Navy. The carriers, along with as many other warships that could too be gathered, were all to head for the Soviet Pacific coast. The US Air Force was likewise inbound for war that way. The air war in Europe was the priority but attacking the Soviets where they lived were something to be done as soon as it could be. There were already requests logged, long before these Pacific-assigned American forces had seen action, for them to make use of nuclear weapons too. Across on the other side of the ocean, Soviet commanders were aware of what was coming. Permission was asked for and soon granted to start hitting Japan when Ligachev and his top people realised they had failed to keep Japan out of the war. Permission was sought too for the use of nuclear weapons to be employed against the US Navy as it crossed the ocean. The air wings from four carriers could do terrible things if unleashed against the Rodina. That permission was denied. Those who requested it would keep on asking, just as American commanders would too. How long could permission continued to be denied?
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Post by stevep on Oct 30, 2019 17:10:25 GMT
Well doing a little better elsewhere, although there's a limited amount that can be done in the ME with the desperate need for every unit in Europe and while the 4 carriers and supporting forces can do a fair bit of damage to military forces in the Soviet far east. If they start going for the Soviet SSBNs they could have some success but it might make the Soviets twitchy.
I think you have a typo in "Yet, North Korea and Vietnam, Soviet allies, had none nothing" and suspect that should be done nothing? Given this will the allies attack either of them, although I'm not sure that N Korea will stay neutral long once it realises S Korea is active in the war? Of course the big issue is what if anything will China do? It could give a big boost to either side or decide its better off totally out of this bloodbath.
Good that there are attacks on the Soviet homeland, to make clear to them that their not immune to the war their started. Albeit that without nukes the F-117's can't do a massive amount of damage, unless possibly they hit a key bridge say. However even if it forces the Soviets to keep a few more units back it will help elsewhere.
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Post by James G on Oct 30, 2019 20:48:30 GMT
Well doing a little better elsewhere, although there's a limited amount that can be done in the ME with the desperate need for every unit in Europe and while the 4 carriers and supporting forces can do a fair bit of damage to military forces in the Soviet far east. If they start going for the Soviet SSBNs they could have some success but it might make the Soviets twitchy.
I think you have a typo in "Yet, North Korea and Vietnam, Soviet allies, had none nothing" and suspect that should be done nothing? Given this will the allies attack either of them, although I'm not sure that N Korea will stay neutral long once it realises S Korea is active in the war? Of course the big issue is what if anything will China do? It could give a big boost to either side or decide its better off totally out of this bloodbath.
Good that there are attacks on the Soviet homeland, to make clear to them that their not immune to the war their started. Albeit that without nukes the F-117's can't do a massive amount of damage, unless possibly they hit a key bridge say. However even if it forces the Soviets to keep a few more units back it will help elsewhere.
These battlefields are important in a geo-political sense but Europe is key, Western Europe in particular. It is where the war is being won too! Typo fixed though 'none nothing' is great alliteration I think! I'm not sure where we go with North Korea but China is for sure staying out of this. Yep, unless the stealth aircraft attacks do a spectacular hit, and that isn't easy, then they are only good for the political blow of being bombed. The Soviets will dedicate assets to going after them but they did have a massive AD set-up independent of their air force and it won't cost them much overall.
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Post by James G on Oct 30, 2019 20:50:17 GMT
123 – Breakout
British troops on the Weser, south of Minden and the Westphalian Gap too, located where that river meandered into a wide curve, were given an hour’s warning of what was coming their way. There was a Soviet tank division inbound, racing westwards towards them. The 11th Armoured Brigade was to hold fast. They were to stop the river from being bounced and the Soviets thus getting one of their large armour-heavy exploitation formations free in the NATO rear. Help was on the way, the brigade’s commander was told, but enemy tanks were looking likely to show up first. Do whatever it takes to hold the river line! The brigade wasn’t in any state to do that though. They had yesterday fought one of those VDV armoured columns to a standstill nearby and then conducted a night attack to eliminate the remains of those paratroopers in their armoured vehicles. Casualties of that fight had been heavy. There were prisoners to deal with and a battlefield to police afterwards. This morning, when the rest of the 4th Armoured Division had moved away east – going off to their doom to that disastrous fight near Laatzen – the 11th Armoured Brigade had remained behind. They had suffered air and missile attacks as well as coming under fire from Soviet Spetsnaz units hidden among the flood of West German refugees trying to get over the Weser and away to safety. Other firefights had been had with the remaining Soviet airmobile troops which had been driven out of Hameln but not far from there: those DShV men remained active. Regardless of the situation that they were in, the British here on the Weser were right in the way of that incoming attack. The commanding brigadier had his orders and instructed his men appropriately.
Before the onrush of tanks came the Soviet artillery barrage. The mobile guns from that division weren’t yet in action and instead it was a separate brigade attached to the Second Guards Tank Army which fired on the British. Forward spotters and reports from aircrews highlighted where the enemy could be found. The guns commenced their firing. Artillery pieces of calibres ranging from 152mm to 175mm to 203mm shelled the areas where the British were reported. The guns kept on firing again and again without let up. They were some distance away and would carry on until ordered to stop. The artillery brigade was joined by a rocket regiment. Multiple-barrelled launchers took turns to unleash their deadly cargoes of rockets. On and on these came too without pause. High-explosives and gas were both employed. It felt like hellfire to those on the receiving end of this ongoing barrage: British soldiers and West German civilians alike. The whole area was crammed with refugees who were held up here as the crossings over the Weser were being used by NATO supporting units falling back from where they had escaped the fighting to the east. Soldiers from several European nations died like the Brits did too. Many of them called aloud – pointlessly – for NATO artillery to fire counter-battery missions and do something to stop this or, failing that, air power to silence those guns. They assumed that this wasn’t being done because the intensity of the barrage appeared to be something that no one was trying to stop. Efforts were being made to do that, NATO units were returning fire and there were jets active, but the Soviets carried on with what they were doing. Soon enough, the artillery and rocket-launchers with that tank division joined in themselves. The 16th Guards Tank Division was now approaching. They were attacked from above on the way when NATO jets, A-10s and Alpha Jets, got past the fighter cover though several of those were hit by mobile air defences. Yet, the air intervention couldn’t stop them.
Split up into regiments rather than all together as one, the 16th Guards Division reached the Weser. One regiment went to Hameln, another towards Rinteln, a third to Vlotho and the final one towards the main river crossing site at Bad Oeynhausen. The majority of British forces could be found at Bad Oeynhausen and the primary engagement was fought there as far as the 11th Armoured Brigade was concerned where its Chieftain tanks engaged T-64s. Other T-64s, plus some T-80s as well, went over the river at those other crossing sites though. An extra regiment of Soviet tanks – straight from the Second Guards Tank Army direct headquarters control – then appeared on-scene to go over the Weser at Rinteln to reinforce the success there. British infantry and their armoured vehicles were engaged and defeated just like their tanks were. In the later stages of the early afternoon fight, when the 16th Guards Division’s regiments who’d gone over the river at Hameln and Rinteln joined up with those finishing the job at Vlotho and Bad Oeynhausen, every NATO soldier became a rifleman or an anti-tank launcher operator. Engineers, gunners, signalmen but also storesmen and clerks were all in this. The battle was fought hand-to-hand with Soviet riflemen in places. The big highway bridges at Bad Oeynhausen had been brought down by British demolitions and so there was a forced crossing operation there despite the other bridgeheads seized nearby. It was when this was being done that the fiercest fighting took place. The last of the British units, infantrymen from a couple of companies of 2 QUEENS joined by others from all those support units, gave it their all. It wasn’t enough though. The Soviets got their crossing over the Weser here, especially when their tanks came up from behind the British due to the upstream crossings.
Just as the British were in their death-throws, the West Germans turned up. Two brigades of theirs arrived: one from the northeast, one from the southeast. This was the help promised to the British. The former unit was the 62nd Territorial Brigade with panzergrenadiers in M-113 infantry carriers and up-armoured M-48 tanks. These reservists were joined by regulars with the latter unit. That was the 19th Panzergrenadier Brigade, men who’d also beaten a Soviet VDV column to a standstill yesterday west of the Weser and this morning handed over containment of its shattered remains to another Territorial unit. The West Germans came in hard and got into a make-or-break fight with the Soviets. It was one which broke them. Neither could stop the Soviets from getting going with another tank attack which first tore the 62nd Brigade apart before the 19th Brigade joined them in being wiped out. The Leopard-1 tanks that the West German regulars had died just like the M-48s and also the British Chieftains before them. This was a battle of tanks more than infantry or any external fire support despite the significant presence of both. When it came to using their tanks to win the day, the Soviets had done it better. All three NATO brigades, fighting independently despite the intention to use them together as an ad hoc division were finished. A patched-up Soviet regiment from the 207th Motor Rifle Division – the rest of that division ravaged by earlier battles was holding the perimeter around the Hannover Pocket with NATO troops trapped inside – arrived to link up with the 16th Guards Division and the 145th Independent Tank Regiment. On the six-regiment division would go now, westwards again. They’d made a breakout and were pouring into the NATO rear leaving the dead beside the Weser behind them.
The breakthrough in the north was joined by one made in the middle of West Germany. From out of Hessen, the Eighth Guards Army pushed its 79th Guards Tank Division through West German resistance on the ground as well as American & French air intervention into the Westerwald. These forested hills were in the state of Rhienland-Pfalz though on the eastern side of the Rhine. It could have been a dead end for the Soviets. A better route towards the river was down in the Lahn Valley through which a further one of those advance guard columns of paratroopers in armoured vehicles had gone yesterday before meeting their end. It was the West German 15th & 34th Panzer Brigades which had both been involved in destroying Column #4. Today, they were run-through by the 79th Guards Division who also received an extremely heavy amount of external fire support plus had attached motor rifle regiments for this mission too from near fought-out other Eighth Guards Army divisions who’d opened the way ahead this morning. In addition, there was another Soviet division, the complete 27th Guards Motor Rifle, attacking in a northwest direction as the tank division went directly west: the West Germans couldn’t deal with these two threats. In the trees and among the low hills, the Soviets emerged victorious from bloody engagements with the defenders and broke up attempts at localised counterattacks. They did so before the French could reach their West German allies too. Over the Rhine had come the 1st Armored Division, this being the forward element of the French I Corps with the rest of that multi-division command entering West Germany from France but thus far away from this battlefield. French tanks and infantry carriers went into battle. They were smashed apart like the West Germans who they’d been too late to save. Much of the 1st Armored was lost near the town of Dierdorf when a full combined arms assault – tanks, artillery and air power – got at them all at once. The survivors made a mad dash retreat back towards the Rhine.
Orders came for the Eighth Guards Army to give chase. Cologne, Bonn and Koblenz all lay along the Rhine near to the battlefield of the Westerwald. They started moving though nowhere near as fast as hoped. There were still scattered groups of West Germans about. NATO air power had been unable to make much of a difference earlier but with friendly troops now few and far between, they could blast the entire area. Soviet fighters were driven off and waves of aircraft came in on bomb runs. Soviet tanks and armoured vehicles were shot up. Thousands of riflemen were left dead or injured. It should have been enough to cause the 79th Guards Division to stop. But onwards its remains went, crawling its way forward and getting closer to the Rhine as the afternoon went onwards. They were approaching the river in the Remagen area, near to Bonn. A brigade of West German paratroopers – kept back in reserve to pinch off any breakout – were sent there to link up with Territorial troops all down the Rhine. The French were saying that they could get lead elements of their 7th Armored Division there before nightfall… that depended upon them getting through refugee traffic going the other way too. If they didn’t make it, those light West German troops were going to be on their own. It didn’t look like the Soviets had much left and the river was a good defensive position but the ability for NATO to hold here would be upon the Soviets not sending anyone else to this fight… which they would.
French troops were also now fighting in the south. They joined with the Americans and West Germans in the fight to halt a breakout being made by the Soviet Thirty–Eighth Army from Bavaria into Baden–Wurttemberg. The 5th Armored Division was this afternoon engaging the Soviets in the valley where the Jagst River ran alongside the US Army’s bashed-about 3rd Infantry Division. Another division, the 3rd Armored, also based inside West Germany rather than having to come over the Rhine from France, linked up with the West Germans (22nd Panzergrenadier & 29th Panzer Brigades) and the Americans (the forward brigade from the 1st Infantry Division) in the Kocher River valley. Heilbronn and Stuttgart were behind these battlefields, just two of the many urban areas behind the frontlines from where civilians were pouring westwards joining those refugees from now-occupied eastern areas who’d managed to get away. The traffic on the roads had only gotten worse through today. NATO movements were being impeded to a degree never foreseen even in the worst pre-war projections about what West Germans would do should their country be invaded. The incoming French and their already in-place NATO units moved few combat forces down major roads due to Soviet air attacks – the effects of those on civilians were horrendous – but they were trying to use them for supporting forces. These main supply routes were almost impassable. It was having a crippling effect upon NATO’s warfighting efforts.
Blasting away with so much artillery and any aircraft they could make use of, the Thirty–Eighth Army was using its tank divisions now though also brought up an untested motor rifle division too after the 30th Guards Motor Rifle had come from the Slovak region of Czechoslovakia behind everyone else. In the Jagst Valley, the Americans and the French there broke in the face of the latest Soviet attack. The 31st Tank Division got through their defences and tore into the rear. They at once ran into NATO supporting elements behind the frontlines. Countless firefights erupted. The intention was to keep on going, to do something with the breakout, but this was impossible due to the scale of the opposition. Slowing down, this allowed for the Americans there to make a retreat with what parts of the 3rd Infantry Division was left and recover somewhat: the French 5th Armored was lost for good though. South of here, the West Germans led a counterattack using their panzer brigade once the Soviets had committed the bulk of their 15th Guards Tank Division going though the nearby US Army brigade. The Americans were overcome but the West Germans were soon joined by the French in hitting back hard. The Soviets were strung out and their flanks exposed. They were pushed back to where they had started… at a huge cost for all involved though. Then that third Soviet division turned up. It was used like a tank division instead of a motor rifle one and went through the middle of the two fights. Near to Schwabisch Hall, a crossroads town, the 30th Guards Division made a turn northwards to strike at the Americans from behind. Already having done the impossible once and survived the first attack, this second one broke the 3rd Infantry Division. T-72s were all over the rear areas again, this time with much less opposition to stop them because they made much better use of on-call fire support. A whole separate brigade of heavy guns fired everything they had ahead of the 30th Guards Division to allow them to get forward. They’d made a breakout and were loose in NATO’s rear.
Up and down the frontlines, away from where these breakouts were made, the Soviets (and what East Germans were with them inside West Germany) carried on the fight too regardless of the local situation being favourable or not. They were to keep NATO busy, the orders ran, and also provide possible openings should the main attacks fail to get through into the enemy rear. Dutch troops which had survived the massacre of their allies on the North German Plain that morning were pushed further and further back towards the sea where the German Blight was while the West Germans with them retreated instead towards the huge Hamburg Pocket. Light Soviet troops at Bremen and other elements of the Second Guards Tank Army not fighting near the Westphalian Gap but downstream along the Weser closed-up along that river in the face of failed West German efforts to stop them. Upstream from where that breakout had been made, following the Weser as it wound its way deep into Germany, British troops with the 3rd Armoured Division held off attacks by the Twentieth Guards Army who were unable to get over the river… the British here had just had their flank turned though. The Belgians in northern Hessen, committed to that failed counterattack this morning, likewise held off Soviet efforts to push forward though there wasn’t that much enemy determination shown they believed. However, going forwards themselves looked impossible without reinforcement.
The US V Corps was fighting south, and now worryingly pretty far eastwards too, of where the Westerwald battles occurred. They still covered Frankfurt and the lower reaches of the Main Valley and there were West Germans with the widely stretched 12th Panzer Division now under command. Parts of the Inner-German Border were still in sight at the very top of Bavaria. East German attacks came again here this afternoon and, like those the day before, were unable to achieve much apart from seeing a lot of deaths occur for no good reason. A large salient had formed here now though due to what had just occurred as the Soviets successfully broke into Baden–Wurttemberg. There was fighting in southern Bavaria too. American, Canadian and West German troops held everywhere west & south of the Danube including Munich. They had numbers on their side and the enemy units that had pushed them back over this river weren’t coming forward despite some localised attacks in places which didn’t seem to be that much. As the Soviets pushed west, in theory there was the opportunity for a counteroffensive going northwards from here to strike a stunning blow and win the day. There was no ability to do it though: these were NATO troops here who had had their behinds already whipped. There was a growing concern that they might have to soon retreat west, giving up all they’d fought to hold, if the Soviets kept on moving into Baden–Wurttemberg too.
The breakouts and the efforts to keep NATO busy everywhere else occurred when the Inner-German Border and the Czechoslovak-West German frontier were being crossed again by Soviet forces. These were unopposed crossings in what was now the distant rear from where the frontlines had moved to. The Third Shock Army, the First Guards Tank Army and the Eighth Tank Army were all moving. These three tank armies were heading for where the afternoon’s breakthroughs had been achieved. Their destination would be the Rhine to join those out ahead already closing-in upon that river following their breakouts.
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Post by redrobin65 on Oct 31, 2019 10:18:16 GMT
I'd imagine that with the Soviets making such good progress, people in the Force de dissuasion and the Strategic Air Command must be getting twitchy.
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Post by James G on Oct 31, 2019 11:01:22 GMT
I'd imagine that with the Soviets making such good progress, people in the Force de dissuasion and the Strategic Air Command must be getting twitchy. Oh yes indeed! Stay tuned for the next couple of updates as this is the matter at hand with the Rhine being approached.
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Post by stevep on Oct 31, 2019 16:05:42 GMT
I'd imagine that with the Soviets making such good progress, people in the Force de dissuasion and the Strategic Air Command must be getting twitchy.
Would agree given how bad its looking for the allies. Think those NATO forces having some success around S Bavaria are going to have to retreat soon else their likely to be yet another isolated pocket, at least unless their willing to try and forces their way through western Austria into Italy.
Think there's a small typo. "In the tress and among the low hills, the Soviets emerged victorious". Assuming that should be trees.
Do the Soviets have actual aims or are they starting to suffer from victory disease?
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