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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 20, 2020 17:38:11 GMT
It is the major contributor, but the Danes, Norwegians and Finns all contribute funding and their own expertise.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 20, 2020 17:42:31 GMT
It is the major contributor, but the Danes, Norwegians and Finns all contribute funding and their own expertise. Do they have their own aircraft manufactures then. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 21, 2020 0:22:26 GMT
No, they are too small to warrant their own aviation industries, but rather take part through their own defence companies, such as Dansk Industri Syndikat A/S/Madsen and Kongsberg.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 21, 2020 4:39:38 GMT
No, they are too small to warrant their own aviation industries, but rather take part through their own defence companies, such as Dansk Industri Syndikat A/S/Madsen and Kongsberg. What about Valtion lentokonetehdas, i could see it surviving in the Darkearth verse instead of going defunct in 1951 as it did in OTL. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 21, 2020 5:32:52 GMT
Part 5 Notes:
- The Hunters leave service rapidly, but linger in reserve, which is what gets called up and deployed in Exercise Warhammer.
- It is a P.1090 supersonic Hunter that probably entered service in 1953 or 1954.
- The markings on the Hunter in question indicate it has shot down 2 Egyptian, 2 Ottoman Turk, 2 Imperial Chinese, 4 Indonesian, 2 Soviet and one Space Nazi planes.
- Inactive War Emergency Reserves consist of 600 Hunters, 600 Vixens, 400 Swifts and 400 Javelins. Long term planning calls for the formation of 80 squadrons from this pool with surplus reserve pilots and manpower, should a crisis last long enough for long term mobilisation to occur.
- The Welsh and Scottish mountains have plenty of old weapons stored under them.
- As to whether there were actually Spitfires on Craggy Island, we won’t find out in this tale.
- The more familiar aircraft boneyards are in the warmer, drier parts of the Empire.
- The Sabre was perhaps better in the air to air role, but as Bader says, the Hunter is a very versatile aeroplane.
- Bader may be meeting with some interesting fellows in Germany.
- The Phantom leak is deliberate and the Americans are keen on selling it.
- The Harrier concept is one based upon maximising the airfield space available in Germany.
- The W.G’s Office is a bit overzealous.
- Utilising heavy bombers in Europe in the 1960s is a very different proposition to the 1940s.
- The Plan is very important.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 21, 2020 5:39:51 GMT
- The markings on the Hunter in question indicate it has shot down 2 Egyptian, 2 Ottoman Turk, 2 Imperial Chinese, 4 Indonesian, 2 Soviet and one Space Nazi planes. . A verry busy and successful Hunter it seems. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 21, 2020 5:41:58 GMT
They see a lot of action as the RAF’s frontline fighter in Korea and then provides the majority of its strength in the Middle East and Far East in 1956 and subsequent years.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 21, 2020 15:59:28 GMT
'The Plan', of course, refers to the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan/Empire Air Training Scheme, carried out on a somewhat reduced peacetime level. It essentially combines the training forces of Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Rhodesia, Kenya, New Avalon, Newfoundland, Prydain and the West Indies into one body; Israel and India are separate for the moment due to individual needs and their own national preference, respectively. It provides a wider trained manpower pool for the RAF in return for aircraft supplied to the Dominion air forces and combined operational funding, giving individual Dominions access to much better air training than they could individually afford.
It will also lead to the distribution of air training units across the British Empire, freeing up airfield space in Britain for operational units. Facilities in Kenya, Rhodesia, Prydain and South Africa are essentially immune to any significant enemy threat at this time.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 21, 2020 16:04:17 GMT
No, they are too small to warrant their own aviation industries, but rather take part through their own defence companies, such as Dansk Industri Syndikat A/S/Madsen and Kongsberg. What about Valtion lentokonetehdas, i could see it surviving in the Darkearth verse instead of going defunct in 1951 as it did in OTL. Finland's aviation and defence industries are very different indeed, given the lack of a Continuation War and subsequent limitations on Finnish armaments or defence. The primary aircraft 'manufacturer' is the Kuninkaallinen Suomalainen Ilmavoimien Lentokonetehdas. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 21, 2020 16:17:57 GMT
What about Valtion lentokonetehdas, i could see it surviving in the Darkearth verse instead of going defunct in 1951 as it did in OTL. Finland's aviation and defence industries are very different indeed, given the lack of a Continuation War and subsequent limitations on Finnish armaments or defence. The primary aircraft 'manufacturer' is the Kuninkaallinen Suomalainen Ilmavoimien Lentokonetehdas. A long name for a aircraft 'manufacturer'. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 21, 2020 16:53:03 GMT
It means ‘Royal Finnish Air Force Aircraft Factory’; Finland buys its aircraft from Sweden and Britain, with domestic capacity limited to assembly and maintenance.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 21, 2020 16:57:55 GMT
It means ‘Royal Finnish Air Force Aircraft Factory’; Finland buys its aircraft from Sweden and Britain, with domestic capacity limited to assembly and maintenance. So no pre-1940s buying from the Netherlands, ore did they always buy Sweden and British aircraft. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 21, 2020 17:29:44 GMT
The Finns purchased 120 Hurricanes pre Winter War (1937-1939) and then received quite a few more via Allied-held Northern Norway, along with Spitfires, Mosquitoes, Whirlwinds and Venoms.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 21, 2020 19:37:17 GMT
The Finns purchased 120 Hurricanes pre Winter War (1937-1939) and then received quite a few more via Allied-held Northern Norway, along with Spitfires, Mosquitoes, Whirlwinds and Venoms. So not Dutch aircraft, shame but a wise choice. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 24, 2020 14:42:02 GMT
This skips a little ahead from Warhammer and 1963 to give a look at what the RAF is planned to look like in 1970 under the plans of the Barton Labour government as of 1965:
Projected 1970 RAF Order of Battle
Fighter Command (2400 aircraft)
600 English Electric Lightnings (25 Squadrons)
400 Avro Arrows (16 Squadrons)
400 Fairey Delta IIs (16 Squadrons)
400 Hawker-Siddeley Merlins (16 Squadrons)
600 Supermarine Sunstars (25 Squadrons)
Bomber Command (2260 aircraft)
600 Avro Vulcans (25 Squadrons)
480 Supermarine Eagle TSR-2s (20 Squadrons)
400 Handley-Page Vengeance (16 Squadrons)
120 Supermarine Victorys (5 Squadrons)
480 Bristol Skytankers (15 Squadrons)
60 Bristol Bluebirds (5 Squadrons)
120 Avro Vindicators (5 Squadrons)
256 Blue Streak ICBM (4 Squadrons; 6400 miles; 160 with 10 and 96 with 25 Mt)
240 Black Arrow MRBM (4 Squadrons; 2500 miles; 2.5 Mt)
250 Red King GLCM (4 Squadrons; 3200 miles; 1 Mt)
Strike Command (1200 aircraft)
240 Gloster Lions (10 Squadrons)
240 Hawker-Siddeley Harriers (10 Squadrons)
240 de Havilland Tornadoes (10 Squadrons)
240 McDonnell Phantoms (10 Squadrons)
240 Vickers Thunderbolts (10 Squadrons)
RAF Germany (960 aircraft)
240 Hawker-Siddeley Harriers (10 Squadrons)
240 Hawker-Siddeley Merlins (8 Squadrons)
120 Supermarine Sunstars (5 Squadrons)
120 English Electric Lightnings (5 Squadrons)
120 de Havilland Tornados (5 Squadrons)
120 Gloster Lions (5 Squadrons)
Transport Command (880 aircraft)
360 Hawker-Siddeley Skyblazers (15 Squadrons)
240 Vickers Voyagers (10 Squadrons)
200 Shorts Belfasts (8 Squadrons)
120 Armstrong Whitworth Atlases (5 Squadrons)
Middle East Air Force (624 aircraft)
120 de Havilland Tornados (5 Squadrons)
120 Hawker Siddeley Harriers (5 Squadrons)
120 English Electric Lightnings (5 Squadrons)
120 McDonnell Phantoms (5 Squadrons)
72 Vickers Thunderbolts (3 Squadrons)
48 Avro Arrows (2 Squadrons)
24 Fairey Rotodynes (1 Squadron)
Far East Air Force (624 aircraft)
120 de Havilland Tornados (5 Squadrons)
120 English Electric Lightnings (5 Squadrons)
120 Hawker-Siddeley Harriers (5 Squadrons)
120 McDonnell Phantoms (5 Squadrons)
72 Vickers Thunderbolts (3 Squadrons)
48 Avro Arrows (2 Squadrons)
24 Fairey Rotodynes (1 Squadron)
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