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Post by stevep on Jun 2, 2019 9:02:47 GMT
Now that would be an interesting encounter, although its more likely to be against what's left of the 7th Panzer after the air forces and if their close enough to the coasts the navies have had a go at them. Just reading your WWII this day stuff and that mentions Ark Royal and Glorious arriving off Norway to help with the evacuate there. That suggests they were in Britain on the 26th May so have been lost to the ISOT.  Which is a pity as they would be useful additions to the RN in the short term at least and probably longer for the Ark. Also we can put the Free Polish Army into the fight, 1940 is their best change to reclaim a part of their country, that is as long as the Soviet Union remain neutral.
Very true although the latter remains an awkward problem. I suspect they will seek to remain neutral given the pounding that the Germans are likely to take but I can't see Stalin being willing to give up eastern Poland or the Baltic states. [Not sure if he will still seek to force Romania to cede Bessarabia which happened in June 40 IIRC but suspect it would be likely as no one is in a clear position to prevent it]. Its possible that the allies might give him an ultimatum to withdraw or at least seek to regain those parts under Soviet occupation that have substantial Polish populations but I rather doubt they will be willing to go to war with the Soviets, especially given what the 44ers can say about their military capacity and the three years of pro-Soviet propaganda that they have been exposed to.
Of course Stalin could do something stupid in which case things could get very nasty. On the bright side here while the Soviet forces are numerous the 44ers ones are better and against what might end up as a western counter-invasion Soviet society is very vulnerable with the way the regime is hated by so many of its people.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 2, 2019 9:10:06 GMT
Also we can put the Free Polish Army into the fight, 1940 is their best change to reclaim a part of their country, that is as long as the Soviet Union remain neutral. Very true although the latter remains an awkward problem. I suspect they will seek to remain neutral given the pounding that the Germans are likely to take but I can't see Stalin being willing to give up eastern Poland or the Baltic states. [Not sure if he will still seek to force Romania to cede Bessarabia which happened in June 40 IIRC but suspect it would be likely as no one is in a clear position to prevent it]. Its possible that the allies might give him an ultimatum to withdraw or at least seek to regain those parts under Soviet occupation that have substantial Polish populations but I rather doubt they will be willing to go to war with the Soviets, especially given what the 44ers can say about their military capacity and the three years of pro-Soviet propaganda that they have been exposed to. Of course Stalin could do something stupid in which case things could get very nasty. On the bright side here while the Soviet forces are numerous the 44ers ones are better and against what might end up as a western counter-invasion Soviet society is very vulnerable with the way the regime is hated by so many of its people.
I would assume if the 44 Forces mange to defeat the Germans in France, there is not much reserve ore any left for the Germans to use to defend Germany. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 2, 2019 12:12:20 GMT
Very true although the latter remains an awkward problem. I suspect they will seek to remain neutral given the pounding that the Germans are likely to take but I can't see Stalin being willing to give up eastern Poland or the Baltic states. [Not sure if he will still seek to force Romania to cede Bessarabia which happened in June 40 IIRC but suspect it would be likely as no one is in a clear position to prevent it]. Its possible that the allies might give him an ultimatum to withdraw or at least seek to regain those parts under Soviet occupation that have substantial Polish populations but I rather doubt they will be willing to go to war with the Soviets, especially given what the 44ers can say about their military capacity and the three years of pro-Soviet propaganda that they have been exposed to. Of course Stalin could do something stupid in which case things could get very nasty. On the bright side here while the Soviet forces are numerous the 44ers ones are better and against what might end up as a western counter-invasion Soviet society is very vulnerable with the way the regime is hated by so many of its people.
I would assume if the 44 Forces mange to defeat the Germans in France, there is not much reserve ore any left for the Germans to use to defend Germany.
Not a massive amount in the rest of Germany but their unlikely to wipe out all three army groups involved and the Germans, Hitler permitting, will fight hard to protect their homeland against invasion. However given that Hitler's bluff and gamble will have been seen to have failed, albeit via what may be seen as some sort of divine intervention and he doesn't have the prestige from the OTL relatively easy and bloodless conquest of France I think there might be a decent chance of some sort of coup against the regime. At this point, without great conquests the German generals are likely to be more realistic in their aims for such a peace treaty and Britain and France might be as well. [Having suffered near defeat influencing the French and knowing how much bitter fight could be avoided influencing Britain]. Although I suspect that the allies will still want some sort of occupation of Germany to ensure real disarmament and also enabling the restoration of independence for Poland and some Czech state.
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Which is a pity as they would be useful additions to the RN in the short term at least and probably longer for the Ark.