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Post by pyeknu on Apr 19, 2019 14:45:44 GMT
Hi!
When I got interested in the Miles From Our Home timeline by redrobin65, I offered to do orders of battle (ORBATs) for him, thus allowing each army division, air force division and naval squadron to be "fleshed out".
I'll start with the Old Red Patch, the 1st Canadian Division...which would be officially designated as the First Canadian Mechanized Division once in Europe.
As people familiar with the modern Canadian Army will be aware, in recent years, we've concentrated more on battalion-sized battle groups formed around an infantry battalion augmented with combat support and service support troops. However, thanks to the Shift, it was time to dust off the old Cold War battle plans and get them put into place to help deal with the rampaging Wehrmacht.
1 CMD would be formed around the Canadian Army's three regular brigade groups, 1 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group in Edmonton and Shilo, 2 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group in Petawawa and Gagetown and 5e Groupe-Brigade Mécanisé du Canada in Valcartier and Québec City. Of course, there would be division troops directly commanded by the major general in command of 1 CMD, but the main tactical forces would be controlled by the brigadier generals in command of 1 CMBG, 2 CMBG and 5e GBMC; I would suspect that the Canadian Army would shuck off the American idea of having brigades commanded by colonels real quick to make them equal to British brigadiers and French générals de brigade, especially where brigade areas of responsibility come up against each other.
Anyhow, let's get started. Units here will be listed with the full title, the approved short title and the base of location back in Canada:
Division Troops
1st Canadian Division Headquarters (1 CDN DIV HQ) - Kingston
4th (General Support) Regiment, RCA (4 GS REGT) - Gagetown
4 Engineer Support Regiment (4 ESR) - Gagetown
1st Canadian Division Signal Regiment (1 CDSR) - Kingston
1st Canadian Division Joint Operations Support Group (1 CDJOSG) - Kingston
1st Canadian Division Intelligence Company (1 CD INT COY) - Ottawa
These would be the direct command, control and support troops of 1 CMD. Now for each unit:
1 CDN DIV HQ - This is an established unit, though under the administrative control of the Canadian Joint Operations Command in lieu of Headquarters Canadian Army. That would remain as CJOC would take charge of all Canadian Forces deployed overseas, which would be administered from a base headquarters either in London or Paris; at first, this would be Headquarters I Canadian Corps (HQ I CDN CORPS), but would eventually change to Headquarters First Canadian Army (HQ 1 CDN ARMY) once more than three field divisions have come to the Continent.
4 GS REGT - An established unit, descent originally from the 4th Air Defence Regiment, RCA which was formed near the end of the Cold War. In this case, the regiment would take up its old air defence role, but would also have a target acquisition battery (with UAVs) and would be augmented by a missile battery as soon as one is organized back in Canada.
4 ESR - Another established unit, descent originally from 4 Combat Engineer Regiment, the field engineers assigned to the old 4 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group in Germany during the Cold War. Would have all the specialized engineering elements needed for the field, including field construction troops, explosive ordnance disposal forces, bridge construction troops and a geomatics team.
1 CDSR - A new unit which would be formed from volunteers from the Canadian Forces Joint Signal Regiment and 21 Electronic Warfare Regiment in Kingston...which are actually descent from the old 1 CDSR, established from the old 1st Canadian Signal Regiment based in Kingston from before Unification to when the fourth time the First Division was stood up near the end of the Cold War. Would have two headquarters signal hubs for the division staff (one forward, one alternate), a workshop squadron to deal with all communications maintenance needs and an electronic warfare squadron to deal with offensive and defensive communications intelligence needs.
1 CDJOSG - Another new unit which would effectively serve as the second-line logistics and maintenance hub for the division. This unit would be the direct link from 1 CMD to the Canadian Joint Operations Command's support elements back in Canada. Said unit would be a light brigade in size, commanded by a colonel/captain (navy), broken down as follows:
1 CDJOSG Logistics Battalion - Composed of transport, supply, ammunition and personnel support companies. This would form links to elements of the CJOC in Montréal (4 Canadian Forces Movement Control Unit, 3 Canadian Support Unit and 25 Canadian Forces Supply Depot), Trenton (the Canadian Forces Postal Unit), Edmonton (7 Canadian Forces Supply Depot), Dundurn (Canadian Forces Ammunition Depot Dundurn) and Angus outside Borden (Canadian Forces Ammunition Depot Detachment Angus).
1 CDJOSG Maintenance Battalion - Composed of members of the Corps of Royal Canadian Electrical and Mechanical Engineers to form the second-line vehicle and weapons maintenance facility for the division. Will directly link to the Materials Group 202 Workship Depot in Montréal and the Royal Canadian Electrical and Mechanical Engineers School in Borden for third line support until corps troops come into play.
1 CD INT COY - Another new unit formed from personnel from the Canadian Forces School of Military Intelligence...which had been formed from the original 1 CD INT COY formed near the end of the Cold War. This unit would be the direct link from 1 CMD to CF INTCOM, liaising with the electronic warfare squadron of 1 CDSR and other units to gather all forms of intelligence in the field; after all, we can't depend totally on history books, ne?
Now...
1 Wing
1 Wing Headquarters (1 WG HQ) - Kingston
151 Tactical Transport Helicopter Squadron (151 TTHS) - Petawawa
4 Air Maintenance Squadron (4 AMS) - Petawawa
This is the central hub of RCAF support for 1 CMD. Now, the combat brigades will maintain their own tactical helicopter squadrons for their own internal needs, but division-wide army support would be handled from 1 Wing itself, which would mobilize from the home-based 1 Wing Headquarters in Kingston. The wing would be operationally detached from Headquarters 1 Canadian Air Division in Winnipeg until deployed air group and air division units get to Europe. As for the wing's main units...
1 WG HQ - As explained above.
151 TTHS - Since the headquarters of the RCAF would decide there's really no need to use the 400-series squadrons for army support and since army aviation needs are going to gobble up a LOT of air force squadrons, this unit of Boeing CH-147 Chinhooks would be formed from 450 Tactical Helicopter Squadron in Petawawa. This would be the medium-lift tactical transport unit of the division.
4 AMS - The wing's second-line maintenance facility. So numbered because 1 AMS is actually assigned to 4 Wing at Cold Lake (the western tactical fighter group). Will be formed from air maintenance flights from bases close to Petawawa as well as the Canadian Forces School of Aerospace Technology and Engineering in Borden.
As for health services support...
1 Canadian Division Health Services Regiment
1st Canadian Division Health Services Regiment Headquarters (1 CD HSVC REGT HQ) - Borden
1 Field Ambulance (1 FD AMB) - Edmonton
2 Field Ambulance (2 FD AMB) - Petawawa
5e Ambulance de campagne (5e AMB C) - Valcartier
1 Canadian Field Hospital (1 CFH) - Borden
Like 1 Wing is to 1 CDN AIR DIV, 1 CD HSVC REGT is operationally detached from Headquarters Canadian Forces Health Services Group in Ottawa. The regiment would be formed from the amalgamation of 1 FD AMB in Edmonton, 2 FD AMB in Petawawa and 5e AMB C in Valcartier, plus augmentation from various health services units across the nation to coalesce into 1 CFH, the third-line field hospital. All elements of the regiment would have members of the Royal Canadian Dental Corps inserted into each part to serve as second-line and third-line oral health service support. Of course, all units in the division would have their own embedded medical platoons and troops.
Now, the provost marshal forces...
1 Canadian Division Military Police Company
1st Canadian Division Military Police Company Headquarters (1 CDMP COY HQ) - Ottawa
1 Military Police Platoon (1 MP PL) - Edmonton
2 Military Police Platoon (2 MP PL) - Petawawa
5e Peloton de Police Militaire (5e PPM) - Valcartier
Like 1 Wing and 1 CD HSVC REGT, 1 CDMP COY is operationally detached from the Canadian Forces Military Police Group in Ottawa. The company would be formed from the amalgamation of 1 MP PL in Edmonton, 2 MP PL in Petawawa and 5e PPM in Valcartier, plus augmentation from the Canadian Forces Military Police Academy in Borden, the four Army military police regiments back in Canada and other such units. I would believe that line the "first round" of WW2 IOTL, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police would be glad to allow personnel to don uniforms.
Finally, the field forces...
1 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group (1 CMBG)
1 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group Headquarters and Signal Squadron (1 CMBG HQ & SIGS) - Edmonton
Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians) (LdSH) - Edmonton
1st Regiment, Royal Canadian Horse Artillery (1 RCHA) - Shilo
1st Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (1 PPCLI) - Edmonton
2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (2 PPCLI) - Shilo
3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (3 PPCLI) - Edmonton
1 Combat Engineer Regiment (1 CER) - Edmonton
101 Tactical Helicopter Squadron (101 THS) - Edmonton
1 Service Battalion (1 SVC BN) - Edmonton
2 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group (2 CMBG)
2 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group Headquarters and Signal Squadron (2 CMBG HQ & SIGS) - Petawawa
The Royal Canadian Dragoons (RCD) - Petawawa
2nd Regiment, Royal Canadian Horse Artillery (2 RCHA) - Petawawa
1st Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment (1 RCR) - Petawawa
2nd Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment (2 RCR) - Gagetown
3rd Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment (3 RCR) - Petawawa
2 Combat Engineer Regiment (2 CER) - Petawawa
102 Tactical Helicopter Squadron (102 THS) - Borden
2 Service Battalion (2 SVC BN) - Petawawa
5e Groupe-Brigade Mécanisé du Canada (5e GBMC)
Quartier Général et Escadron des Transmissions de la 5e Groupe-Brigade Mécanisé du Canada (QGET 5e GBMC) - Valcartier
12e Régiment Blindé du Canada (12e RBC) - Valcartier
5e Régiment d'Artillerie Légère du Canada (5e RALC) - Valcartier
1er Bataillon, Royal 22e Régiment (1re R22eR) - Valcartier
2e Bataillon, Royal 22e Régiment (2e R22eR) - Ville de Québec
3e Bataillon, Royal 22e Régiment (3e R22eR) - Valcartier
5e Régiment de Génie de Combat (5e RGC) - Valcartier
105e Escadron Tactique d'Hélicoptères (105e ETH) - Valcartier
5e Bataillon des Services (5e BON SVC) - Valcartier
As noted with 1 Wing, the brigade tactical helicopter squadrons (flying Bell CH-146 Griffons) would be established from the 400-series squadrons that are embedded with the regular force brigades...save for 102 THS. This squadron would be formed from 400 "City of Toronto" (Red Eagle) Tactical Helicopter and Training Squadron in Borden since the old tactical air squadron for 2 CMBG was turned over to the Canadian Special Operations Forces Command as 427 (Lion) Special Operations Aviation Squadron in 2006.
And that will be it for now...
Next: "Les Diables de Dieppe" of 2e Division Mécanisé du Canada...!
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Post by lordroel on Apr 19, 2019 15:15:11 GMT
Hi!
When I got interested in the Miles From Our Home timeline by redrobin65, I offered to do orders of battle (ORBATs) for him, thus allowing each army division, air force division and naval squadron to be "fleshed out".
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Post by pyeknu on Apr 19, 2019 17:23:12 GMT
I'll put up 3 Canadian Air Division - the RCAF in Europe - as soon as I can. The order I'm posting now is 2e DMC, 4 CAD, I Corps and then 3 Cdn Air Div.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 19, 2019 17:27:19 GMT
I'll put up 3 Canadian Air Division - the RCAF in Europe - as soon as I can. The order I'm posting now is 2e DMC, 4 CAD, I Corps and then 3 Cdn Air Div. Take your time. You and redrobin65 did not discuses the number of vehicles, ships ore aircraft in service with the Canadian Armed Forces did you, because i always like reading those kind of orbats on what a armed forces has in its inventory. |
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Post by pyeknu on Apr 19, 2019 17:34:54 GMT
Take your time. You and redrobin65 did not discuses the number of vehicles, ships ore aircraft in service with the Canadian Armed Forces did you, because i always like reading those kind of orbats on what a armed forces has in its inventory. Sadly, my knowledge is very out of date about equipment. I'm a former CF administration clerk, not a supply technician. Ask about personnel, I can give a decent answer. Ask about equipment, I'm kinda lost at sea. Sorry!  |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 19, 2019 17:37:06 GMT
Take your time. You and redrobin65 did not discuses the number of vehicles, ships ore aircraft in service with the Canadian Armed Forces did you, because i always like reading those kind of orbats on what a armed forces has in its inventory. Sadly, my knowledge is very out of date about equipment. I'm a former CF administration clerk, not a supply technician. Ask about personnel, I can give a decent answer. Ask about equipment, I'm kinda lost at sea. Sorry! No problem then, maybe redrobin65 can solve some of those questions for us. |
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Post by redrobin65 on Apr 19, 2019 17:59:13 GMT
I'll put up 3 Canadian Air Division - the RCAF in Europe - as soon as I can. The order I'm posting now is 2e DMC, 4 CAD, I Corps and then 3 Cdn Air Div. Take your time. You and redrobin65 did not discuses the number of vehicles, ships ore aircraft in service with the Canadian Armed Forces did you, because i always like reading those kind of orbats on what a armed forces has in its inventory. At the time of the Shift, the Army had about 110 tanks, 638 LAV III/VI, 500 TAPVs, 289 M113 APCs, 203 Coyote recconaisance vehicles, 199 Bison APCs, 161 artillery pieces, 3,800 light trucks, 2,800 medium trucks, 1,200 heavy trucks, 144 mine warfare vehicles, 104 engineering vehicles, and 5 UAVs. The Navy had 12 frigates, 12 coastal defence vessels, 1 supply ship, 4 subs, 8 training/patrol ships, and 26 auxilliaries. The RCAF had 76 Hornets, 15 Chinooks, 85 Griffons, 5 Polarises, 88 trainers, 18 Auroras, 48 transports, 15 Cyclones, 14 Comorants, and 12 JetRangers. This is actually something I've had a decent grasp on for awhile; I'll post a list for the Army in a few days. |
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Post by James G on Apr 19, 2019 20:16:25 GMT
pyeknu you'll find that on this site, ORBATs are welcome. I am an orbat geek!
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Post by pyeknu on Apr 19, 2019 20:55:26 GMT
pyeknu you'll find that on this site, ORBATs are welcome. I am an orbat geek! |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 20, 2019 7:10:27 GMT
pyeknu you'll find that on this site, ORBATs are welcome. I am an orbat geek! Nice to hear that, now get back to releasing those Orbats. |
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Post by pyeknu on Apr 20, 2019 12:42:22 GMT
  Well, since you asked so nicely...
Anyhow, the Devils of Dieppe of 2e Division Méchanisé du Canada!
As people will know, the Second Division was recently reformed by the re-designation of Land Forces Québec Area, the overall command of Army forces based in la Belle Province. Before the shift, it had three brigades assigned to it, one Regular Force and two Militia formations: 5e Groupe-Brigade Méchanisé du Canada in Valcartier and Québec City, 34e Groupe-Brigade du Canada in and around Montréal and 35e Groupe-Brigade du Canada in and around Québec City.
Now, despite the numbers of "regiments" that form the two Militia brigades in Québec - not to mention the Militia brigades elsewhere in Canada - the actual number of people who parade in peacetime is usually at MOST double-company strength per unit. The Militia's main job when there is a mobilization is to FIRST reinforce the Regular Army with personnel to beef their unit strengths to wartime footing before moving to mobilize themselves and bring their own strength up to maximum.
After the shift, the Second Division quickly ensured that 5e GBMC was brought up to war footing before said brigade was assigned to the First Division and deployed overseas. Once that was done, the two reserve brigades were given taskings to form three combat brigades from most of the regiments in Québec, including reforming units from the Supplementary Order of Battle - units that still legally exist but are at zero manning strength - and creating whole brand new units as well to mirror what happened with the Old Red Patch.
Thus, here is the list of 2e DMC units, giving with their proper titles, translated titles when necessary as this is a French-heavy formation, abbreviations and bases of operations:
Division Troops
Quartier Général de la 2e Division du Canada (Headquarters, Second Canadian Division) (QG 2e DIV C) - Montréal
46e Régiment d'Artillerie (Appui Général), ARC (46th Artillery Regiment [General Support], RCA) (46e REGT AG) - Drummondville
3e Régiment d'Appui du Génie (3 Engineer Support Regiment) (3e RAG) - Montréal
Régiment des Transmissions de la 2e Division du Canada (2nd Canadian Division Signal Regiment) (RT 2e DIV C) - Montréal
Groupe de Soutien Opérationnel Interarmées de la 2e Division du Canada (2nd Canadian Division Joint Operational Support Group) (GSOI 2e DIV C) - Montréal
Compagnie du Renseignement de la 2e Division du Canada (2nd Canadian Division Intelligence Company) (CIE RENS 2e DIV C) - Montréal
Now, to explain each unit here:
QG 2e DIV C - Already established, based at the Longue Pointe Garrison in northeast Montréal
46e REGT AG - At the time of the ISOT, this regiment was on the Supplementary Order of Battle. Formed originally at Drummonville in the 1936 Militia reforms, it was originally a field engineer squadron until it was converted to medium artillery in 1946 after World War Two, then served as same until 1968 and reduction to nil strength. This regiment would be reformed from volunteers from the artillery units already based in Québec and will be a mirror of 4 GS REGT in Gagetown.
3e RAG - This is a brand new unit of sorts, though taking up an old number. The original 3rd Field Engineer Regiment was formed in Westmount in 1920 and would eventually be reformed and reconstituted as 34e Régiment du Génie de Campagne after the turn of the Millennium. The new engineer support regiment, formed as a mirror of 4 ESR in Gagetown, would be formed from volunteers from 34e RGC and its counterpart unit based out of Québec City.
RT 2e DIV C - A brand new unit, formed from volunteers from 34e Régiment des Transmissions in Montréal and 35e Régiment des Transmissions in Sherbrooke.
GSOI 2e DIV C - A brand new unit, formed from volunteers from 34e Bataillon des Services in Montréal and 35e Bataillon des Services in Québec City with guidance from elements of CFJOSG based across the country.
CIE RENS 2e DIV C - A brand new unit, formed from volunteers from 4e Compagnie du Renseignement in Montréal and Québec City.
The Air Force's contribution...
11e Escadre
Quartier Général de la 11e Escadre (11 Wing Headquarters) (QG 11e ESCADRE) - Saint-Hubert
152e Escadron Tactique du Transport d'Hélicoptères (152 Tactical Transport Helicopter Squadron) (152e ETTH) - Saint-Hubert
11e Escadron de Maintenance (Air) (11 Air Maintenance Squadron) (11e EMA) - Saint-Hubert
11 Wing was the proposed mobilization wing of First Division and would have been set up as a way to expand tactical aviation assets in the Air Reserve; it had even a wing crest developed by the Canadian Heraldic Authority which can be seen here. However, it wasn't established, so it remained in limbo until after the Shift, then was assigned to serve as the RCAF's support formation to 2e DMC. All three units listed above would be formed from the only Air Reserve squadron in Québec, 438e "Ville de Montréal" (Wildcats) Escadron Tactique d'Hélicoptères based out of the old RCAF station at Saint-Hubert east of downtown Montréal. Of course, 152e ETTH would fly Chinhooks or any compatible civilian model until Boeing produces the necessary fleet.
And the Health Services Group's contribution...
Régiment de Services de Santé de la 2e Division du Canada
Quartier Général de Régiment de Services de Santé de la 2e Division du Canada (2nd Canadian Division Health Services Regiment Headquarters) (QG RSS 2e DIV C) - Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu
3 Field Ambulance (3e Ambulance de Campagne) (3 FD AMB) - Montréal
4e Ambulance de Campagne (4 Field Ambulance) (4e AMB C) - Ville de Québec
6e Ambulance de Campagne (6 Field Ambulance) (6e AMB C) - Sherbrooke
2e Hôpital de Campagne du Canada (2 Canadian Field Hospital) (2e HCC) - Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu
There are only three reserve field ambulances based in Québec, 51e Ambulance de Campagne in Montréal, 52e Ambulance de Campagne in Sherbrooke and 55e Ambulance de Campagne in Québec City. All three of these units would combine into RSS 2e DIV C, drawing personnel to form the core hospital element from 41e Centre des Services de Santé des Forces Canadiennes (41 Canadian Forces Health Services Centre) at both Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu and Montréal Longue Pointe and civilian hospital staff recruited for the occasion.
Now, from the Military Police Group...
Compagnie de Police Militaire de la 2e Division du Canada
Quartier Général de la Compagnie de Police Militaire de la 2e Division du Canada (2nd Canadian Division Military Police Company Headquarters) (QG CPM 2e DIV C) - Montréal
3 Military Police Platoon (3e Peloton de Police Militaire) (3 MP PL) - Montréal
4e Peloton de Police Militaire (4 Military Police Platoon) (4e PPM) - Saguenay (Jonquière)
6e Peloton de Police Militaire (6 Military Police Platoon) (6e PPM) - Ville de Québec
This element of the CFMPG would be established primarily from 5e Régiment de Police Militaire (5 Military Police Regiment), the sub-unit of the group quartered in Québec. In essence, this would be an effective renumbering of the Militia element of that regiment, 4e Compagnie de Police Militaire (4 Military Police Company), headquartered in Québec City with detached platoons in Montréal (41e PPM/41 MP PL), Québec City (42e PPM) and the Jonquière part of the city of Saguenay (43e PPM).
Now comes the fighting forces...
3 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group (3 CMBG)
3 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group Headquarters and Signal Squadron (3 CMBG HQ & SIGS) - Montréal
The Royal Canadian Hussars (Montréal) (RCH) - Montréal
2nd Field Regiment, RCA (2 FD REGT) - Montréal
1st Battalion, The Canadian Grenadier Guards (1 CGG) - Montréal
1st Battalion, The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) of Canada (1 RHC) - Montréal
1st Battalion, The Royal Montréal Regiment (1 RMR) - Westmount
3 Combat Engineer Regiment (3 CER) - Westmount
103 Tactical Helicopter Squadron (103 THS) - Saint-Hubert
3 Service Battalion (3 SVC BN) - Montréal
To make things easier to control, one brigade of 2e DMC would be composed of all English-speaking units based in and around Montréal. Since 1 CMD has 1 CMBG, 2 CMBG and 5e GBMC, the second division would take 3 CMBG, 4e GBMC and 6e GBMC. 3 CMBG was originally a Regular Force formation based in Gagetown that, after Unification, was reformed into the Combat Training Centre, the Army's primary training formation. All infantry regiments assigned to help form 2e DMC would be tasked to provide one battalion for overseas service while the unit remaining in Canada would be temporarily re-designated as the second battalion of said regiment; the armoured and artillery units maintained their own titles, just adding "(Active)" and "(Militia)" to identify which part was which. The brigade headquarters and signal staff would be detached from QG 34e GBC and 34e R TRANS in Montréal, 3 CER would be mobilized from 34e RGC in Westmount and 3 SVC BN would be mobilized from 34e BON SVC in Montréal. 103 THS would, of course, be raised from a detached flight of 438e ETH in Saint-Hubert.
4e Groupe-Brigade Mécanisé du Canada (4e GBMC)
Quartier Général et Escadron des Transmissions de la 4e Groupe-Brigade Mécanisé du Canada (QGET 4e GBMC) - Ville de Québec
le Régiment de Hull (R DE HULL) - Gatineau (Hull)
6e Régiment d'Artillerie de Campagne, ARC (6e RAC) - Lévis
1re Bataillon, les Voltigeurs de Québec (1 VOL DE Q) - Ville de Québec
1re Bataillon, le Régiment du Saguenay (1 R DU SAG) - Saguenay (Chicoutimi)
1re Bataillon, le Régiment de la Chaudière (1 R DE LA C) - Lévis
4e Régiment de Génie de Combat (4e RGC) - Ville de Québec
104e Escadron Tactique d'Hélicoptères (104e ETH) - Valcartier
4e Bataillon des Services (4e BON SVC) - Ville de Québec
The first French-speaking brigade in the division, 4e GBMC would inherit the traditions and even the shoulder patch of the old 4 CMBG that was based in Germany during the Cold War era as a way of symbolizing Canada's support for the nations of what would have become NATO now fighting against the Nazis. To make things easy to get the brigade brought together, 35e GBC would be tasked to mobilize almost all units in eastern Québec save one unit: Les Fusiliers du Saint-Laurent in Rimouski, which would be tasked to beef up 5 CMD in the Atlantic provinces when mobilized. Le Régiment de Hull in Gatineau across from Ottawa would be made the armoured part of the brigade as the reserve element of 12e Régiment Blindé du Canada in Trois-Rivières had the main tasking of supporting and recruiting for its Regular Force counterpart in 1 CMD. All command, control, engineering and service support elements would be drawn from the counterpart units in 35e GBC, with 104e ETH being formed from a detached flight of 430e "Ville de Sudbury" (Faucons) Escadron Tactique d'Hélicoptères in Valcartier.
6e Groupe-Brigade Mécanisé du Canada (6e GBMC)
Quartier Général et Escadron des Transmissions de la 6e Groupe-Brigade Mécanisé du Canada (QGET 6e GBMC) - Saint-Jean
The Sherbrooke Hussars (SHER H) - Sherbrooke
62e Régiment d'Artillerie de Campagne, ARC (62e RAC) - Shawinigan
1re Bataillon, les Fusiliers Mont-Royal (1 FMR) - Montréal
1re Bataillon, les Fusiliers du Sherbrooke (1 FUS SHER) - Sherbrooke
1re Bataillon, le Régiment de Maisonneuve (1 R MAIS) - Montréal
6e Régiment de Génie de Combat (6e RGC) - Saint-Hyacinthe
106e Escadron Tactique d'Hélicoptères (106e ETH) - Saint-Hubert
6e Bataillon des Services (4e BON SVC) - Saint-Jean
Back before the amalgamation of Regular Force and Militia formations into "total force" formations came into play in the lean years of the 1990s, Québec had three militia districts, which could mobilize into brigades if required. The third district was headquartered in Sherbrooke, thus 6e GBMC would effectively take up the tasking of that old district and absorb the remaining French-speaking units within Québec save the 4e and 6e Bataillons of le Royal 22e Régiment in Laval and Saint-Hyacinthe respectively; the former battalion would be tasked to recruit and support the regular force battalions of the Vandoos in 1 CMD and the latter battalion would be allowed to reform as its own regiment, le Régiment de Saint-Hyacinthe, to await a future tasking. While the Sherbrooke Hussars has an English name, it is pretty much French-speaking as the demographics of the Estrie region of Québec have long since changed thanks to the separatist movement that has rocked the province for decades. For 6e CMBG, both 34e GBC and 35e GBC would pool resources together to form the necessary command, control, combat support and combat service support elements of the brigade, with 106e ETH being established from a detached wing of 438e ETH in Saint-Hubert.
Next: The "Sloggers of the Scheldt" from 4th Canadian Armoured Division...!
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Post by pyeknu on Apr 20, 2019 23:54:30 GMT
And now comes the third round-out division of I Canadian Corps, the Fourth Canadian Division (Armoured).
Though in many ways, said division should actually get the sub-title "armoured car" instead.
When Canada was sent through the Shift back to the start of World War Two, there were only 110 tanks available right away, with only eighty-two Leopard 2A6 gun tanks among them; the other machines were either spare parts vehicles, armoured recovery vehicles or armoured engineering vehicles. Because of that, the 82 MBTs had to be distributed equally between the three armoured regiments of 1 CMD (the Lord Strathcona's Horse, the Royal Canadian Dragoons and 12e Régiment Blindé du Canada), resulting in three combat squadrons (companies) per regiment with two four-tank troops (platoons) per squadron; the remaining vehicles were held back to act as replacements in case of combat casualties. Each squadron in the Strathconas, the Dragoons and 12e RBC would in turn get two reconnaissance troops equipped with two four-vehicle troops of LAV II Coyotes, thus creating a ground version of the American anti-tank tactical aviation pair of AH-64 Apache gunships with OH-58 Kiowa reconnaissance helicopters. Since the enemy forces are at most fitted with the earlier generations of panzers (Panzer I-IV and Panzer 38s), this isn't too much of an issue; with the right ammunition and right protection, even the LAV IIs could take down a Panzer IV.
However, when the need to equip 2e DMC came up, the fact that there were NO main battle tanks available to outfit the Royal Canadian Hussars, le Régiment de Hull and the Sherbrooke Hussars caused a big issue until General Dynamics Land Systems in London came up with the solution of refurbishing the Cougar AVGPs that were in storage and use them as light armoured tanks. Said vehicles were an earlier 6x6 version of the LAV III that were built in three models; the Cougar was the gun trainer and normally outfitted Militia armoured regiments. With upgrades such as MEXAS ceramic armour, the 76 millimetre L23A1 rifled cannon inherited ultimately from the M1 tank gun designed in America in 1941, improved electronics and NBCD defensive augmentations, the newly designated "LAV I Cougar C2" would prove to be just as good as its later descendant serving as reconnaissance vehicles for 1 CMD was doing. Even more so, with the availability of retired Ordnance QF 17-pounder 76.2 millimetre anti-tank cannons on Sherman Fireflies which came back in time, the British were happy to build new versions of the cannon for themselves and for the Canadians. With General Motors and other car companies being asked to join in the construction of armoured vehicles, new-built Cougars with the fresh-built 17-pounder cannons shipped to Canada from the Royal Arsenal in Woolwich on the south bank of the Thames in London are designated "LAV I Cougar C3". With that, the performance of the three armoured regiments in 2e DMC were observed to see which weapon did the best, with planned retrofits to be done as decided. Over time, the C3s would be replaced by C2s; even if General Dynamics had done wonders in creating a new turret to house the very large QF 17-pdr weapon - alleviating space issues that plagued tankers IOTL who had issues with using the weapon when mounted on Fireflies - the vehicle was discovered to be still dangerously unbalanced in rough terrain despite the ballast added to the hull to maintain stability.
When the Fourth Division was mobilized, it was decided to equip it with C2 Cougars; the Americans had been quick to agree to develop new L23A1s while also moving to mount the same design on M4 Shermans. Because of that, it was decided to make the division the armoured fist of I Canadian Corps. Fortunately, since the division was reformed from the renaming of Land Forces Central Area (the Army in Ontario), there was a plethora of combat regiments to call upon to fill out the formation...so much, in fact that it would be decided that those units remaining behind in Canada would form the core of the Seventh Airmobile Division when it was decided to send such a force over to the Continent.
With three Militia brigades to call upon to serve as basis for the three new field brigade groups to outfit 4 CAD, the division was allocated the brigade numbers 10-12; the numbers 7-9 had been allocated to the Third Division in the Prairie provinces and British Columbia, even if said division was still having issues getting equipped and trained for deployment overseas. To that end, 33 Canadian Brigade Group (the Militia in eastern and northern Ontario) was tasked to provide the mechanized infantry brigade to the overseas division while 31 Canadian Brigade Group (the Militia in southwestern Ontario) and 32 Canadian Brigade Group (the Militia in and around Toronto) would bring up the division's two armoured brigades. In format, a standard Canadian armoured brigade would be the reverse of a mechanized brigade: There would be three armoured regiments and one infantry battalion in lieu of one armoured regiment and three infantry battalions in the mechanized brigade. Mirroring how the armoured regiments in 1 CMD and 2e DMC were equipped, 4 CAD armoured regiments would have three squadrons split into two four-vehicle Cougar troups and two four-vehicle troops of refurbished Bison 8x8 vehicles with upgraded weapons, armour and electronics; such were designated "LAV II Bison C2" when put into service.
So to begin...
Division Troops
4th Canadian Division Headquarters (4 CDN DIV HQ) - Toronto
11th Artillery Regiment (General Support), RCA (11 GS REGT) - Guelph
2 Engineer Support Regiment (2 ESR) - Toronto
4th Canadian Division Signal Regiment (4 CDSR) - Toronto
4th Canadian Division Joint Operations Support Group (4 CDJOSG) - Trenton
4th Canadian Division Intelligence Company (4 CD INT COY) - Toronto
And to explain:
4 CDN DIV HQ - Already established at the Denison Armoury in Toronto on the grounds of the former CFB Toronto.
11 GS REGT - An existing unit, though rated as a field regiment before the Shift. The regiment would convert over to become a mirror of 4 GS REGT and 46e REGT AG and be directly assigned to the division headquarters forces from 31 CBG.
2 ESR - A newly-formed unit, but recycling an older number. The original 2nd Field Engineer Regiment was first established in Toronto all the way back in 1876; it went through several names over the years before it became 32 Combat Engineer Regiment in 2006. The new 2 ESR would be formed from volunteers from all three combat engineer regiments in the province; again, it would mirror 4 ESR and 3e RAG.
4 CDSR - A newly-formed unit, but an effectively renamed 32 Signal Regiment, though a squadron would be detached to serve as one of the armoured brigades' signal squadron and it would gain electronic warfare personnel from the militia wing of 21 Electronic Warfare Regiment in Kingston. The core regiment could trace its ancestry all the way back to 1907.
4 CDJSOG - A newly-formed unit, formed from volunteers from the three Militia service battalions in London, Toronto and Ottawa, plus also the Canadian Forces Logistics Training Centre and the Royal Canadian Electrical and Mechanical Engineers School in Borden.
4 CD INT COY - A new unit, though an effective mobilized version of 2 Intelligence Company at the Denison Armoury in Toronto, augmented with volunteers from both the Canadian Forces School of Military Intelligence in Kingston and 7 Intelligence Company in Ottawa.
Now the Air Force's contribution...
7 Wing
7 Wing Headquarters (7 WG HQ) - Ottawa
154 Tactical Transport Helicoper Squadron (154 TTHS) - Ottawa
7 Air Maintenance Squadron (7 AMS) - Ottawa
7 Wing was the proposed name for the Air Force formation that would take charge of all operations at Canadian Forces Base Ottawa before said base was effectively disbanded in the lean years of the 1990s and converted into Canadian Forces Support Unit (Ottawa) to serve as the effective "base" for National Defence Headquarters. The new wing and its core elements would be formed from a combination of volunteers from 450 THS in Petawawa as well as 1 Wing Headquarters (Rear) in Kingston, 8 Wing in Trenton and the Canadian Forces School of Aerospace Technology and Engineering in Borden. The helicopters for 154 TTHS would come from civilian Chinhooks in country (Models 234 and 414) that were upgraded to military standards by Boeing Canada.
For the health services forces of the division...
4 Canadian Division Health Services Regiment
4 Canadian Division Health Services Regiment Headquarters (4 CD HSVC REGT HQ) - Borden
10 Field Ambulance (10 FD AMB) - Ottawa
11 Field Ambulance (11 FD AMB) - London
12 Field Ambulance (12 FD AMB) - Toronto
4 Canadian Field Hospital (4 CFH) - Borden
Having BOTH the training unit for the Canadian Forces Health Services Group AND a considerable number of medical teaching schools in your home province certainly allows things to get jump-started when it comes to creating a divisional health services unit. Of course, there are already three reserve field ambulance units in the province: 23 Field Ambulance in Hamilton (detachments in London and Windsor), 25 Field Ambulance in Toronto and 28 Field Ambulance in Ottawa. The three units would come together and form the field forces of 4 CD HSVC REGT, with the headquarters staff and field hospital rising at Borden itself.
And the security forces...
4 Canadian Division Military Police Company
4 Canadian Division Military Police Company Headquarters (4 CD MP COY HQ) - Toronto
10 Military Police Platoon (10 MP PL) - Ottawa
11 Military Police Platoon (11 MP PL) - London
12 Military Police Platoon (12 MP PL) - Toronto
Like CPM 2e DIV C was, the elements of 4 CD MP COY would be an effective renaming of the reserve element of 2 Military Police Regiment (the Army provost forces in Ontario), 21 Military Police Company. The three platoons in 21 MP COY, numbered to reflect the reserve brigade they help support, would mobilize and be renumbered to reflect the new brigades they would be deployed with; of course, those elements of 2 MP REGT remaining behind would help establish 7 Canadian Division Military Police Company once the need for the first airmobile/airborne division is realized.
And finally, the field forces...
10 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group (10 CMBG)
10 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group Headquarters and Signal Squadron (10 CMBG HQ & SIGS) - Ottawa
4th Princess Louise Dragoon Guards (4 PLDG) - Ottawa
30th Field Artillery Regiment (the Bytown Gunners), RCA (30 FD REGT) - Ottawa
1st Battalion, the Governor General's Foot Guards (1 GGFG) - Ottawa
1st Battalion, the Cameron Highlanders of Ottawa (Duke of Edinburgh's Own) (1 CH OF O) - Ottawa
1st Battalion, the Stormount, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders (1 SDG HIGHRS) - Cornwall
10 Combat Engineer Regiment (10 CER) - Ottawa
110 Tactical Helicopter Squadron (110 THS) - Ottawa
10 Service Battalion (10 SVC BN) - Ottawa
Save for one regiment, the combat forces of this brigade are already existing units. However, 4 PLDG was in the Supplementary Order of Battle at the time of the Shift. Thus, it was decided to fully man said regiment instead of detaching one of the Toronto-based armoured regiments to the brigade, much less converting an infantry battalion into an armoured regiment. The Dragoon Guards would be formed by a detached troop of the Royal Canadian Dragoons' home elements in Petawawa. Of course, the headquarters, signals, engineers and service support elements would come from the like-named units of 33 CBG. As for 110 THS, the squadron would be established at the old RCAF station at Rockclifffe (site of the Canadian Aviation Museum) from a detached flight from 427 SOAS in Petawawa, using modified civilian versions of the CH-146 Griffon (the Bell 412) until new construction can be shipped over from Mirabel near Montréal.
11 Canadian Armoured Brigade Group (11 CABG)
11 Canadian Armoured Brigade Group Headquarters and Signal Squadron (11 CABG HQ & SIGS) - London
1st Hussars (1 H) - London
The Windsor Regiment (RCAC) (WINDSOR R) - Windsor
The Elgin Regiment (RCAC) (ELGIN R) - Saint Thomas
56th Field Artillery Regiment (Dufferin and Haldimand Rifles of Canada), RCA (56 FD REGT) - Brantford
1st Battalion, The Essex and Kent Scottish (1 EK SCOTS) - Windsor
11 Combat Engineer Regiment (11 CER) - Waterloo
111 Tactical Helicopter Squadron (111 THS) - London
11 Service Battalion (11 SVC BN) - Windsor
Again, save for one regiment, the combat forces of this brigade are already existing units, mostly coming from 31 CBG except the artillery regiment, which is a 32 CBG unit that was loaned over due to the loss of the 11th Field Regiment RCA to the division troops. However, the Elgin Regiment (RCAC) had to be effectively reformed from 31 Combat Engineer Regiment (the Elgins). To explain, said regiment was formed in 1866 as an infantry battalion at Saint Thomas. Said regiment continued to serve as infantry until World War Two IOTL, when deployed companies sent overseas were converted into a tank delivery unit. After the war, the regiment was fully converted to armour and remained as such until conversion to engineers in 1997. Thus, when the regiment was mobilized, those elements who had armoured training (both currently employed members and recently retired members) would form the new Elgin Regiment while the pure engineers would mobilize 11 CER. Of course, all other ground elements of 11 CABG would be formed from the like-named elements of 31 CBG. 111 THS would be mobilized from a detached flight of 400 THTS in Borden.
12 Canadian Armoured Brigade Group (12 CABG)
12 Canadian Armoured Brigade Group Headquarters and Signal Squadron (12 CABG HQ & SIGS) - Toronto
The Governor General's Horse Guards (GGHG) - Toronto
The Queen's York Rangers (1st American Regiment) (RCAC) (QY RANG) - Aurora
The Ontario Regiment (RCAC) (ONT R) - Oshawa
7th Toronto Regiment, RCA (7 TOR REGT) - Toronto
1st Battalion, the Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment (1 HAST PER) - Belleville
12 Combat Engineer Regiment (12 CER) - Toronto
112 Tactical Helicopter Squadron (112 THS) - Toronto
12 Service Battalion (12 SVC BN) - Toronto
For the second armoured brigade of 4 CAD, ALL combat elements are active units from 32 CBG and 33 CBG based in Toronto and areas east. All command and control and combat support and service support elements would be mobilized from their like-named elements in 32 CBG. 112 THS would be another "child" of 400 THTS in Borden.
Next: The Allies' "shock troopers" get their higher formation back as I Canadian Corps...
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Post by redrobin65 on Apr 21, 2019 1:18:08 GMT
Allied Forces: Operation CORNERSTONE
Allied Northern Expeditionary Force
--Canadian 7th Airmobile Division
--40 Canadian Armoured Brigade Group
--Norwegian 2nd Infantry Division
--Norwegian 5th Infantry Division
--Danish 1st Infantry Division
--Royal Marine 1 Commando Brigade
British 1st Army Group
British First Army
British II Corps
--3rd Infantry Division
--11th Infantry Division
--46th Infantry Division
--9th Armoured Brigade
British V Corps
--2nd Armoured Division
--4th Infantry Division
--5th Infantry Division
--Indian 4th Infantry Division
British VII Corps
--50th Infantry Division
--53rd Infantry Division
--6th Australian Division
--Belgian 4th Infantry Division
--Polish Independent Highland Brigade
British Second Army
British I Corps
--48th Infantry Division
--23rd Infantry Division
--Polish 1st Grenadier Division
British III Corps
--1st Armoured Division
--42nd Infantry Division
--44th Infantry Division
--Indian 5th Infantry Division
British IV Corps
--7th Armoured Division
--12th Infantry Division
--7th Australian Division
Belgian First Army
Directly Reporting
--1st Cavalry Division
Belgian II Corps
--6th Infantry Division
--11th Infantry Division
--14th Infantry Division
--1st Armoured Brigade
Belgian VII Corps
--2nd Chasseurs Ardennais
--8th Infantry Division
-17th Infantry Division
French VI Corps
--26th Infantry Division
--42nd Infantry Division
Dutch First Army
Dutch II Corps
--2nd Infantry Division
--7th Infantry Division
--French 67th Infantry Division
Dutch III Corps
--Peel Division
--6th Infantry Division
--8th Infantry Division
Allied Central Army Group
Canadian First Army
Directly Reporting
8th Airmobile Division
41 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group
I Canadian Corps
1st Mechanized Division
2nd Mechanized Division
4th Armoured Division
II Canadian Corps
3rd Mechanized Division
5th Mechanized Division
6th Armoured Division
Allied First Army
Allied I Corps
--8th Australian Division
--2nd New Zealand Division
--2nd South African Division
Allied II Corps
--Polish 3rd Infantry Division
--1st South African Division
--French 51st Infantry Division
Allied III Corps
--French 44th Infantry Division
--Polish 2nd Infantry Fusiliers Division
--Belgian 2nd Cavalry Division
French 1st Army Group
French First Army
Cavalry Corps
--2nd Light Mechanized Division
--3rd Light Mechanized Division
French III Corps
--1st Motorized Infantry Division
--15th Motorized Infantry Division
--1st Moroccan Infantry Division
French V Corps
--2nd North African Infantry Division
--32nd Motorized Infantry Division
--101st Infantry Division
French Second Army
French X Corps
--5th Light Cavalry Division
--71st Infantry Division
--3rd North African Division
French XVIII Corps
--1st Colonial Infantry Division
--41st Infantry Division
--2nd Light Cavalry Division
French XIII Corps
--21st Motorized Infantry Division
--60th Infantry Division
--1st Armoured Division
French Seventh Army
French I Corps
--1st Light Mechanized Division
--25th Motorized Division
--2nd Armoured Division
French XVI Corps
--9th Motorized Division
--3rd Light Cavalry Division
--3rd Armoured Division
French LI Corps
--3rd Motorized Infantry Division
--61st Infantry Division
--68th Infantry Division
French 2nd Army Group
French Ninth Army
XXI Corps
--4th North African Infantry Division
--53rd Infantry Division
--4th Light Cavalry Division
French II Corps
--4th Armoured Division
--5th Motorized Infantry Division
--8th Infantry Division
French XI Corps
--1st Light Cavalry Division
--18th Infantry Division
--22nd Infantry Division
French Third Army
French XXIV Corps
--2nd Infantry Division
--56th Infantry Division
--45th Infantry Division
--16th Armoured Brigade
French XLII Corps
--58th Infantry Division
--20th Light Cavalry Division
--6th North African Infantry Division
French XI Corps
--11th Infantry Division
--47th Motorized Infantry Division
--103rd Infantry Division
French Fourth Army
French XX Corps
--52nd Infantry Division
--82nd Colonial Infantry Division
--105th Infantry Division
French XII Corps
--16th Light Mechanized Division
--35th Infantry Division
--70th Infantry Division
French XVIII Corps
--62nd Infantry Division
--30th Infantry Division
--24th Infantry Division
French Eighth Army
French VII Corps
--13th Infantry Division
--14th Infantry Division
--27th Infantry Division
French XIII Corps
--19th Infantry Division
--54th Infantry Division
--106th Infantry Division
French XLV Corps
--57th Infantry Division
--63rd Infantry Division
--74th Infantry Division
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Post by stevep on Apr 21, 2019 8:03:58 GMT
pyeknu you'll find that on this site, ORBATs are welcome. I am an orbat geek!
pyeknu
If so have a look at Simon's Dark Earth threads in the Alternative Timeline Writer's thread, especially his Dark Earth Order of Battle. You might like it. 
Many thanks for the great detail your put into the orbats. Must have taken ages.
Steve
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Well, since you asked so nicely...
