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Post by raunchel on Nov 30, 2018 17:56:43 GMT
Battlecruiser Geloof, October 15, 1914Dearest Jakoba, What you tell me of Nagasaki falling is truly horrible and this will be an eternal stain on our glorious nation. It must be avenged. The only good thing to come from this is that rear admiral Oude Luttinkhuis no longer has any restraints upon him. I have been told that he has been given a significant force of land troops as well, including several Moluccan contingents. The Japanese will rue the day they dared raise their hand against us. The North American war is proceeding well, as far as I’ve been told, and further allies are always welcome. Panama has mostly fallen to our forces and the North American garrison has been forced to surrender. There have also been battles fought in the Caribbean, but those were all minor engagements, and there have also been further battles along the enemy coastlines, unfortunately, admiral Wolters' reports haven't yet arrived here, leaving people anxious. We have received a letter from Geertsje that came by ship. She described that everything was well for her, and that the people were filled with a spirit of patriotism and sacrifice. Although at the time of writing, war hadn’t yet been declared of course. In the North Sea, everything remains tense, whenever we encounter the English, guns are aimed at each other and close maneuvers are performed as we do not make way for them, and they refuse to do the same for us. Their major warships have also been sighted more frequently, and it seems that they have moved to more southern ports. There also has been a slight incident with one of their airships that was trying to ascertain our movements. You know how the weather in this time of the year can be, and it suffered some sort of accident, forcing it down. I am happy to say that we rescued the crew, but when we handed them back to the English, my men found that we were being accused of downing the thing. People just shouldn’t try to fly over the sea. It’s only good for scouting in good weather and nothing else. In the estates, a decision has been reached about the employment of coloured troops. Fortunately, they are not coming to the homeland, but will instead be sent to fight in the American interior where they should excel. Others are being sent to the Far East. To end with some happy tidings, a new battlecruiser has joined my squadron, the Vlijt has now finished her trials as the final ship in her class. I pray that it will be enough for the times that lie ahead. Your loving father, Johannes Rots Berlin, October 19, 1914Dear Father, Congratulations on receiving another ship in your force. I hope that it will perform with satisfaction. It makes me truly proud to know that my won father commands such a powerful fleet. I’ve heard that the Russians are being forced back over the Vistula river in Poland, and that their attempt at a counterattack has been repulsed with heavy casualties. The French front remains stable, although the Germans are preparing for a massive French attack. To try to distract myself from all the ongoing horror, Karen took me to a small place she knew to dance. And please, father, don’t worry. They don’t allow any men in there, not that there are all too many left in the city. And before you think that it is meant for the lower classes, I met the baroness von Puttkamer there as well. The poor lady has recently been widowed. Her husband had been a general, and I had actually seen the lady on some formal occasions. Altogether, we had a wonderful time, and I met so many new people. I know that it sounds silly, but sometimes I just need to meet with my own sex, when I don’t have to worry about representing a whole nation. The baroness also recommended me several works of German literature for women, which, to my surprise, Karen already knew. She owns all of them in fact! Lieutenant van der Bilt fortunately has come to trust me a little more, if only because he knows that I have good connections with the emperor and some of his senior ministers. He told me that preparations were being made for a combined naval plan, in case we have to collaborate if it comes to war. Naturally, he keeps as many secrets as possible, but as it stands now, he is urging the Germans to an aggressive strategy. Their fleet should give us the numerical advantage against the English. At the same time, I have again had an unfortunate occurrence. There were several boys who threw something at my car, shouting something about America. It seems that the country has a certain kind of odd popularity. According to Karen, it has to do with the popularity of some books aimed at youths because the North American frontier past is being glorified. There have been further reports of their cities being bombarded, and I’ve been told that the North Americans claim that there have been several actions where our fleet has suffered major losses. A few days ago, the Mexican minister came to visit us. He was quite distraught as the North Americans have now declared war on them as well. He was quite angry with one Huerta, or however it’s spelled. This man seems to be a hero of the fighting against the North Americans and their most famous naval commander. Furthermore, it appears that he has joined our fleet along with a few minor ships. Mr de Beistegui was truly shocked and feared for the future of his country. When Uncle Sytze told him that we would do our utmost to maintain his country’s independence and would endeavour to set right some historical injustices, he didn’t calm, but only said that the North Americans would ruin his country. Through my sources in the German naval ministry, I heard a little more about the fighting. The North Americans appear to be incensed by are quite tight-lipped about what actually happened. The German naval attaché however has his own contacts, and it seems that a series of their cities has been put under fire and that several successive battles have been fought. What was more interesting however is that it seems that there were refugees in the capital, a city named Washington. These refugees come from coastal cities, and the Germans have found out that they are fleeing from the violence of our guns. There also are claims about mass landings, but the Germans believe that those are just hysteria by terrified people. I hope that this letter finds you well and pray for a grand future for our republic. Your faithful daughter, Jakoba Another fine update raunchel . I wonder how the Japanese are reacting when they see that the Nagisaki they captured from the Republic is not the same city they knew. Another fine update raunchel . I wonder how the Japanese are reacting when they see that the Nagisaki they captured from the Republic is not the same city they knew.
It probably depends on what they find and the reception they get. If they find the locals were friendly to the Dutch, which I suspect is unlikely however, it could be a problem. Anyway, as a part of their homeland they will still be intent on unifying it. The local Japanese are going to have problems adjusting as by the sound of it their from a weak and divided Japan dominated by the Dutch and now they see a strong and technologically advanced empire that also rules Korean and did rule Taiwan.
One question might be the reaction of any Japanese in the area who have converted to Christianity during the period of Dutch rule.
The Japanese will be deeply unhappy with the state of affairs they find. They always were quite prickly about being seen as inferior, and here, they get a demonstration of what that could have meant for them. It will have quite a cultural impact I think. The locals will have difficulties with this as well, they might face some judgment from otl Japanese for having been weak, and they will have a difficult time adjusting. The more educated of them would be converts to Christianity. These would probably be seen as a kind of traitor (they would have worked for the Dutch), and then of course, there are the mixed-descent people who will also have a hard time. Battlecruiser Geloof, October 15, 1914Dearest Jakoba, What you tell me of Nagasaki falling is truly horrible and this will be an eternal stain on our glorious nation. It must be avenged. The only good thing to come from this is that rear admiral Oude Luttinkhuis no longer has any restraints upon him. I have been told that he has been given a significant force of land troops as well, including several Moluccan contingents. The Japanese will rue the day they dared raise their hand against us. The North American war is proceeding well, as far as I’ve been told, and further allies are always welcome. Panama has mostly fallen to our forces and the North American garrison has been forced to surrender. There have also been battles fought in the Caribbean, but those were all minor engagements, and there have also been further battles along the enemy coastlines, unfortunately, admiral Wolters' reports haven't yet arrived here, leaving people anxious. We have received a letter from Geertsje that came by ship. She described that everything was well for her, and that the people were filled with a spirit of patriotism and sacrifice. Although at the time of writing, war hadn’t yet been declared of course. In the North Sea, everything remains tense, whenever we encounter the English, guns are aimed at each other and close maneuvers are performed as we do not make way for them, and they refuse to do the same for us. Their major warships have also been sighted more frequently, and it seems that they have moved to more southern ports. There also has been a slight incident with one of their airships that was trying to ascertain our movements. You know how the weather in this time of the year can be, and it suffered some sort of accident, forcing it down. I am happy to say that we rescued the crew, but when we handed them back to the English, my men found that we were being accused of downing the thing. People just shouldn’t try to fly over the sea. It’s only good for scouting in good weather and nothing else. In the estates, a decision has been reached about the employment of coloured troops. Fortunately, they are not coming to the homeland, but will instead be sent to fight in the American interior where they should excel. Others are being sent to the Far East. To end with some happy tidings, a new battlecruiser has joined my squadron, the Vlijt has now finished her trials as the final ship in her class. I pray that it will be enough for the times that lie ahead. Your loving father, Johannes Rots Berlin, October 19, 1914Dear Father, Congratulations on receiving another ship in your force. I hope that it will perform with satisfaction. It makes me truly proud to know that my won father commands such a powerful fleet. I’ve heard that the Russians are being forced back over the Vistula river in Poland, and that their attempt at a counterattack has been repulsed with heavy casualties. The French front remains stable, although the Germans are preparing for a massive French attack. To try to distract myself from all the ongoing horror, Karen took me to a small place she knew to dance. And please, father, don’t worry. They don’t allow any men in there, not that there are all too many left in the city. And before you think that it is meant for the lower classes, I met the baroness von Puttkamer there as well. The poor lady has recently been widowed. Her husband had been a general, and I had actually seen the lady on some formal occasions. Altogether, we had a wonderful time, and I met so many new people. I know that it sounds silly, but sometimes I just need to meet with my own sex, when I don’t have to worry about representing a whole nation. The baroness also recommended me several works of German literature for women, which, to my surprise, Karen already knew. She owns all of them in fact! Lieutenant van der Bilt fortunately has come to trust me a little more, if only because he knows that I have good connections with the emperor and some of his senior ministers. He told me that preparations were being made for a combined naval plan, in case we have to collaborate if it comes to war. Naturally, he keeps as many secrets as possible, but as it stands now, he is urging the Germans to an aggressive strategy. Their fleet should give us the numerical advantage against the English. At the same time, I have again had an unfortunate occurrence. There were several boys who threw something at my car, shouting something about America. It seems that the country has a certain kind of odd popularity. According to Karen, it has to do with the popularity of some books aimed at youths because the North American frontier past is being glorified. There have been further reports of their cities being bombarded, and I’ve been told that the North Americans claim that there have been several actions where our fleet has suffered major losses. A few days ago, the Mexican minister came to visit us. He was quite distraught as the North Americans have now declared war on them as well. He was quite angry with one Huerta, or however it’s spelled. This man seems to be a hero of the fighting against the North Americans and their most famous naval commander. Furthermore, it appears that he has joined our fleet along with a few minor ships. Mr de Beistegui was truly shocked and feared for the future of his country. When Uncle Sytze told him that we would do our utmost to maintain his country’s independence and would endeavour to set right some historical injustices, he didn’t calm, but only said that the North Americans would ruin his country. Through my sources in the German naval ministry, I heard a little more about the fighting. The North Americans appear to be incensed by are quite tight-lipped about what actually happened. The German naval attaché however has his own contacts, and it seems that a series of their cities has been put under fire and that several successive battles have been fought. What was more interesting however is that it seems that there were refugees in the capital, a city named Washington. These refugees come from coastal cities, and the Germans have found out that they are fleeing from the violence of our guns. There also are claims about mass landings, but the Germans believe that those are just hysteria by terrified people. I hope that this letter finds you well and pray for a grand future for our republic. Your faithful daughter, Jakoba
Raunchel
I'm not sure how long the Dutch fleet could operate off the US coast? Apart from anything else it would run out of ammo fairly quickly, especially if doing a lot of coastal bombardment - which really needs HE shells rather than the AP or SAP that would be wanted for fighting other warships, which also raises the problem of the ammo mix. OTL ships of the time could blast off most/all of their shells in a couple of hours of rapid firing and the Dutch don't have any bases closer than Puerto Rico, which may not be a major fleet base. Plus fighting off NE American means any ships damaged have a long way to go to reach a friendly port so you could see some nasty losses this way, especially with the stormy weather and the fact we're getting towards the end of the hurricane season. Similarly they are going to have problems with fuel supply, whether coal or oil fueled as their going to burn up a fair chunk of their fuel simply going back and forwards between Puerto Rico and the NE US. Attacking say the southern coastal regions or in the Gulf would probably be more effective although the big industrial targets aren't there. There are reasons why trying to mount an extended campaign with naval units in this period are very difficult --> impossible. However the sheer terror of the initial attacks are likely to have an impact, but its going to be a bad one in terms of the US reaction.
Another reason why there could be opposition in Germany to the attacks on the US is that Germany [and the German portions of the Austrian empire] supplied a lot of the immigrants to the US in the 19thC, even more over the period than the Irish I believe. They were being supplanted by Slavs and Italians by this period but they were a significant element of the US and a lot of people in Germany will have relative in the US.
Purely by accident the Dutch have probably made a good choice committing coloured [presumably meaning black or does this include Latinos?] to the war against the US as it could drive a bit of a wedge between the US and their own black population. Although a lot depends on how the two groups are treated by their respective nations but sounds like while not liked a lot the Dutch treat their blacks better than the US at this point. They could have problems if their seriously thinking of landing large forces in the US itself as their going to be very difficult to supply and support.
Are the Dutch bringing oil fueled capital ships into service? Britain was starting to with the Queen Elizabeth class under construction and the following ones but otherwise they were still unknown in OTL at this point for large ships. Meant relying on overseas supply, in this case from Persia but did ease a number of problems. No need for stokers or for the problem of re-coaling, which was a nasty and time consuming job the crew hated, gave better fuel efficiency and also less fumes when steaming at speed.
I should ask. As well as the direct threat to Britain its lost a lot of important colonies and regions. As well as the Cape the Falkland Is have gone as have just about all the investments in S America. Aden and Nigeria are also important, the former controlling the southern entrance to the Red Sea and the path to India and the latter being the prime colony in W Africa. [Note that this means the Ottomans have also lost their territory in the Yemen and Italy have lost their Somali territories. Coupled with the loss of Ceylon, which was a major naval base and parts of Borneo Britain has lost a number of important bases and the routes to India are imperiled either by the Suez Canal or via the Cape. Along with the gold and diamonds of S Africa those are big economic and strategic hits. Then Australia has lost one state and part of its northern territory. Those will cause a lot of problems for British trade and economy and also mean their lost a lot of people who were living in those regions.
Note also that with war between the US and the Dutch there will be conflict in the Philippines although with the powerful base of the DEI the Dutch should have a big advantage here.
I love Jakoba's line "They don’t allow any men in there" when talking about her dance club. 
Anyway all I can think of for the moment.
Steve
The Dutch battleships can operate for around ten days after the start of hostilities (including returning to coaling stations). The destroyers are oil-fired, so they have an easier time, and the more modern cruisers are also oil-based ships. Because they hold the East Indies, they're not extremely worried about oil, but are looking for more sources of course. They have oilers for the smaller ships to keep them going, but this really isn't the weather anymore to try to move coal around. They won't be able to linger for very long, but they do have enough time to deal out a few nasty surprises. They're currently building the first oil-fired capital ships, but it will take some time before they're ready. They're not planning on any kind of conquest of the CONUS (despite what refugees might be saying), this basically is just a large-scale raid to open the war. They're basically trying to repeat something like the Medway. One thing to keep in mind is that the Dutch are a little bit like the British in one regard. Both still used prize money at this time. So there will also be other motivators going on, and other reasons why Johan would love to be able to be active on a target-rich sea. I won't say much about the use of land forces against the US, but that will mostly be a mix of marines (white troops), and warrior races (in their own regiments of course). The initial raids only really use marines and a few blacks, but the majority there will be white. Against Chile and the like however, most troops will be non-white, and the same goes for the fighting in Panama and the East Indies. The Dutch aren't much of a land power however, and aren't (yet, mission creep is a beautiful thing) planning on fighting a land war in North America. The German families will indeed be an issue, although the amount of loyalty shouldn't be overstated. But whatever happens, it's not good for PR. Britain indeed has lost a lot which will cause serious economic disruption as well as quite a bit of political chaos. In a way, it's fortunate for them that they haven't lost any areas with political representation because that would have made things even worse. Their own communications have been disrupted by this and there is a lot of anger, particularly towards the Dutch who get blamed of course. Especially by the more colourful parts of the press. If they end up in the war, they already have plenty of targets they basically have to take in order to survive. The Dutch however also need some of them for the same reasons, although they at least have the Pacific route open to them (which takes ages of course). |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 2, 2018 9:19:09 GMT
I wonder if the Netherlands-Japanese War will effect the Japanese hold on Korea.
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Post by stevep on Dec 2, 2018 11:12:51 GMT
I wonder if the Netherlands-Japanese War will effect the Japanese hold on Korea.
Well its still under Japanese control although not particularly happy about it IIRC. [Japanese rule isn't as brutal as in the 30's and 40's but still isn't pleasant and I think their seeking to suppress parts of Korean culture and language]. On the other hand once they get a taste of the Dutch they might consider Japan the lesser evil but they could be a possible tool for the Dutch.
With the capture of the Panama canal I wonder what sort of condition its in. Probably some ships sunk and mines laid to prevent its immediate use but have also read suggestions that if a the damn that controlled the lake feeding water for the locks was taken out it could be out for several years at least. Also that the main lock gates would be a pain to replace, although that's likely to be a lesser option. If the Dutch could use it and could get access to Mexican ports on the Pacific they could switch naval forces fairly easily and threaten California with more terror bombardments as they will no doubt be called by the US. Although there might be some modern defences for the Golden Gate so that possible could cause them some problems.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 2, 2018 11:35:43 GMT
I wonder if the Netherlands-Japanese War will effect the Japanese hold on Korea. Well its still under Japanese control although not particularly happy about it IIRC. [Japanese rule isn't as brutal as in the 30's and 40's but still isn't pleasant and I think their seeking to suppress parts of Korean culture and language]. On the other hand once they get a taste of the Dutch they might consider Japan the lesser evil but they could be a possible tool for the Dutch. With the capture of the Panama canal I wonder what sort of condition its in. Probably some ships sunk and mines laid to prevent its immediate use but have also read suggestions that if a the damn that controlled the lake feeding water for the locks was taken out it could be out for several years at least. Also that the main lock gates would be a pain to replace, although that's likely to be a lesser option. If the Dutch could use it and could get access to Mexican ports on the Pacific they could switch naval forces fairly easily and threaten California with more terror bombardments as they will no doubt be called by the US. Although there might be some modern defences for the Golden Gate so that possible could cause them some problems.
Japanese rule over Korea is only 4 years old, so things could happen here like a uprising. |
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Post by stevep on Dec 2, 2018 12:13:11 GMT
Well its still under Japanese control although not particularly happy about it IIRC. [Japanese rule isn't as brutal as in the 30's and 40's but still isn't pleasant and I think their seeking to suppress parts of Korean culture and language]. On the other hand once they get a taste of the Dutch they might consider Japan the lesser evil but they could be a possible tool for the Dutch. With the capture of the Panama canal I wonder what sort of condition its in. Probably some ships sunk and mines laid to prevent its immediate use but have also read suggestions that if a the damn that controlled the lake feeding water for the locks was taken out it could be out for several years at least. Also that the main lock gates would be a pain to replace, although that's likely to be a lesser option. If the Dutch could use it and could get access to Mexican ports on the Pacific they could switch naval forces fairly easily and threaten California with more terror bombardments as they will no doubt be called by the US. Although there might be some modern defences for the Golden Gate so that possible could cause them some problems.
Japanese rule over Korea is only 4 years old, so things could happen here like a uprising.
It was formally annexed only in 1910 but Japan had a protectorate over it since the Chinese defeat in 1894-95 so the Japanese hold is a bit stronger than that but some sort of rebellion or unrest is quite likely especially if they don't know too much about the Dutch who have appeared.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 2, 2018 12:15:46 GMT
Japanese rule over Korea is only 4 years old, so things could happen here like a uprising. It was formally annexed only in 1910 but Japan had a protectorate over it since the Chinese defeat in 1894-95 so the Japanese hold is a bit stronger than that but some sort of rebellion or unrest is quite likely especially if they don't know too much about the Dutch who have appeared.
Ore the Republic has any interest in going to Korea, i doubt they have the hands full in fighting the Japanese on the home islands as we speak. |
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Post by stevep on Dec 2, 2018 17:13:10 GMT
It was formally annexed only in 1910 but Japan had a protectorate over it since the Chinese defeat in 1894-95 so the Japanese hold is a bit stronger than that but some sort of rebellion or unrest is quite likely especially if they don't know too much about the Dutch who have appeared.
Ore the Republic has any interest in going to Korea, i doubt they have the hands full in fighting the Japanese on the home islands as we speak.
Possibly not in ruling it themselves, although no doubt they will want some influence there but if their wise, or concerned about how many wars their involved in/might be then it might be useful to them to encourage unrest there, possibly with the hope of freedom from Japanese control. Although they may think themselves so superior to east Asians that their not bothered at the moment, although this could change if they find Japan a tougher nut than they expect.
A couple of points for Raunchel to think on that just occurred to me.
a) With Britain neutral because of the tension with the Dutch and Japan actually fighting them that means the German Pacific fleet in China probably hasn't been attacked, or their base at Tsingtao [now called Qingdao]. Their Pacific fleet isn't too large, with a couple of armoured cruisers and several light cruisers but the French might not have anything in the region to oppose them. That could be an issue although their got to watch they don't clash with the numerous Dutch forces in the region.
b) In OTL there was an 'open door' policy in China, pushed mainly by Britain and the US as a way of preventing regions of China being closed down by some 'colonial' powers. Not sure what influence they Dutch have in China although they don't have any Chinese territory other than Macao I think. However I note Raunchel said they had some sort of trade monopoly over Japan. If they think they have a right to monopolise parts of China it could be another cause of tension. Although with just about every major power other than Britain, which is the dominant economic power in China, already at war with either the Dutch or each other this could be a moot point.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 2, 2018 18:51:44 GMT
Ore the Republic has any interest in going to Korea, i doubt they have the hands full in fighting the Japanese on the home islands as we speak. Possibly not in ruling it themselves, although no doubt they will want some influence there but if their wise, or concerned about how many wars their involved in/might be then it might be useful to them to encourage unrest there, possibly with the hope of freedom from Japanese control. Although they may think themselves so superior to east Asians that their not bothered at the moment, although this could change if they find Japan a tougher nut than they expect. A couple of points for Raunchel to think on that just occurred to me. a) With Britain neutral because of the tension with the Dutch and Japan actually fighting them that means the German Pacific fleet in China probably hasn't been attacked, or their base at Tsingtao [now called Qingdao]. Their Pacific fleet isn't too large, with a couple of armoured cruisers and several light cruisers but the French might not have anything in the region to oppose them. That could be an issue although their got to watch they don't clash with the numerous Dutch forces in the region. b) In OTL there was an 'open door' policy in China, pushed mainly by Britain and the US as a way of preventing regions of China being closed down by some 'colonial' powers. Not sure what influence they Dutch have in China although they don't have any Chinese territory other than Macao I think. However I note Raunchel said they had some sort of trade monopoly over Japan. If they think they have a right to monopolise parts of China it could be another cause of tension. Although with just about every major power other than Britain, which is the dominant economic power in China, already at war with either the Dutch or each other this could be a moot point. Steve
I doubt the Kaiser is going to send any ships to join the German East Asia Squadron, not with tensions being so high, also a Neterlands-Japanse War means the risk of a Japanese attack on Tsingtao has been reduced a lot i guess. |
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Post by stevep on Dec 2, 2018 19:45:01 GMT
Possibly not in ruling it themselves, although no doubt they will want some influence there but if their wise, or concerned about how many wars their involved in/might be then it might be useful to them to encourage unrest there, possibly with the hope of freedom from Japanese control. Although they may think themselves so superior to east Asians that their not bothered at the moment, although this could change if they find Japan a tougher nut than they expect. A couple of points for Raunchel to think on that just occurred to me. a) With Britain neutral because of the tension with the Dutch and Japan actually fighting them that means the German Pacific fleet in China probably hasn't been attacked, or their base at Tsingtao [now called Qingdao]. Their Pacific fleet isn't too large, with a couple of armoured cruisers and several light cruisers but the French might not have anything in the region to oppose them. That could be an issue although their got to watch they don't clash with the numerous Dutch forces in the region. b) In OTL there was an 'open door' policy in China, pushed mainly by Britain and the US as a way of preventing regions of China being closed down by some 'colonial' powers. Not sure what influence they Dutch have in China although they don't have any Chinese territory other than Macao I think. However I note Raunchel said they had some sort of trade monopoly over Japan. If they think they have a right to monopolise parts of China it could be another cause of tension. Although with just about every major power other than Britain, which is the dominant economic power in China, already at war with either the Dutch or each other this could be a moot point. Steve
I doubt the Kaiser is going to send any ships to join the German East Asia Squadron, not with tensions being so high, also a Neterlands-Japanse War means the risk of a Japanese attack on Tsingtao has been reduced a lot i guess.
I was thinking of what it might do itself as with the Dutch and US at war and Britain distracted its more powerful than anything the French have in the region and could cause them some problems, although they might be able to send something from France itself to fight them. Both groups would have to avoid clashing with the Dutch and possibly the British or Americans, although not sure if the US have anything in the western Pacific and if they do it would probably be heading home given the Dutch threat.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 2, 2018 19:50:55 GMT
I doubt the Kaiser is going to send any ships to join the German East Asia Squadron, not with tensions being so high, also a Neterlands-Japanse War means the risk of a Japanese attack on Tsingtao has been reduced a lot i guess. I was thinking of what it might do itself as with the Dutch and US at war and Britain distracted its more powerful than anything the French have in the region and could cause them some problems, although they might be able to send something from France itself to fight them. Both groups would have to avoid clashing with the Dutch and possibly the British or Americans, although not sure if the US have anything in the western Pacific and if they do it would probably be heading home given the Dutch threat.
Can we now consider Japan to be ally of the United States ore just a co-belligerent in their war against the Republic. |
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Post by stevep on Dec 2, 2018 23:40:17 GMT
I was thinking of what it might do itself as with the Dutch and US at war and Britain distracted its more powerful than anything the French have in the region and could cause them some problems, although they might be able to send something from France itself to fight them. Both groups would have to avoid clashing with the Dutch and possibly the British or Americans, although not sure if the US have anything in the western Pacific and if they do it would probably be heading home given the Dutch threat.
Can we now consider Japan to be ally of the United States ore just a co-belligerent in their war against the Republic.
I would say at the moment their co-belligerents. Between the pre-Dutch arrival differences and the fact both are diplomatically isolated especially the US because of its aversion to alliances, plus they might have different ideas of what their desires are it might be difficult get a formal alliance.
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Post by raunchel on Dec 3, 2018 12:31:24 GMT
I wonder if the Netherlands-Japanese War will effect the Japanese hold on Korea. I wonder if the Netherlands-Japanese War will effect the Japanese hold on Korea.
Well its still under Japanese control although not particularly happy about it IIRC. [Japanese rule isn't as brutal as in the 30's and 40's but still isn't pleasant and I think their seeking to suppress parts of Korean culture and language]. On the other hand once they get a taste of the Dutch they might consider Japan the lesser evil but they could be a possible tool for the Dutch.
With the capture of the Panama canal I wonder what sort of condition its in. Probably some ships sunk and mines laid to prevent its immediate use but have also read suggestions that if a the damn that controlled the lake feeding water for the locks was taken out it could be out for several years at least. Also that the main lock gates would be a pain to replace, although that's likely to be a lesser option. If the Dutch could use it and could get access to Mexican ports on the Pacific they could switch naval forces fairly easily and threaten California with more terror bombardments as they will no doubt be called by the US. Although there might be some modern defences for the Golden Gate so that possible could cause them some problems.
From what I know, the Japanese were already trying to suppress Korean culture and language, but weren't as insane as they were later on. They however weren't too popular. The Paname Canal has been taken with 'limited' damage because the defenses weren't ready yet. There however were issues and there has been some sabotage (it's just not possible to take the whole thing quickly enough), and it will take a few months to get is back into working order. The Dutch already have a smaller fleet in the Pacific, but unfortunately for them, they couldn't strike at the main base of Puget Sound because of its location. Well its still under Japanese control although not particularly happy about it IIRC. [Japanese rule isn't as brutal as in the 30's and 40's but still isn't pleasant and I think their seeking to suppress parts of Korean culture and language]. On the other hand once they get a taste of the Dutch they might consider Japan the lesser evil but they could be a possible tool for the Dutch. With the capture of the Panama canal I wonder what sort of condition its in. Probably some ships sunk and mines laid to prevent its immediate use but have also read suggestions that if a the damn that controlled the lake feeding water for the locks was taken out it could be out for several years at least. Also that the main lock gates would be a pain to replace, although that's likely to be a lesser option. If the Dutch could use it and could get access to Mexican ports on the Pacific they could switch naval forces fairly easily and threaten California with more terror bombardments as they will no doubt be called by the US. Although there might be some modern defences for the Golden Gate so that possible could cause them some problems.
Japanese rule over Korea is only 4 years old, so things could happen here like a uprising. Japanese rule over Korea is only 4 years old, so things could happen here like a uprising.
It was formally annexed only in 1910 but Japan had a protectorate over it since the Chinese defeat in 1894-95 so the Japanese hold is a bit stronger than that but some sort of rebellion or unrest is quite likely especially if they don't know too much about the Dutch who have appeared.
It was formally annexed only in 1910 but Japan had a protectorate over it since the Chinese defeat in 1894-95 so the Japanese hold is a bit stronger than that but some sort of rebellion or unrest is quite likely especially if they don't know too much about the Dutch who have appeared.
Ore the Republic has any interest in going to Korea, i doubt they have the hands full in fighting the Japanese on the home islands as we speak. Ore the Republic has any interest in going to Korea, i doubt they have the hands full in fighting the Japanese on the home islands as we speak.
Possibly not in ruling it themselves, although no doubt they will want some influence there but if their wise, or concerned about how many wars their involved in/might be then it might be useful to them to encourage unrest there, possibly with the hope of freedom from Japanese control. Although they may think themselves so superior to east Asians that their not bothered at the moment, although this could change if they find Japan a tougher nut than they expect.
A couple of points for Raunchel to think on that just occurred to me.
a) With Britain neutral because of the tension with the Dutch and Japan actually fighting them that means the German Pacific fleet in China probably hasn't been attacked, or their base at Tsingtao [now called Qingdao]. Their Pacific fleet isn't too large, with a couple of armoured cruisers and several light cruisers but the French might not have anything in the region to oppose them. That could be an issue although their got to watch they don't clash with the numerous Dutch forces in the region.
b) In OTL there was an 'open door' policy in China, pushed mainly by Britain and the US as a way of preventing regions of China being closed down by some 'colonial' powers. Not sure what influence they Dutch have in China although they don't have any Chinese territory other than Macao I think. However I note Raunchel said they had some sort of trade monopoly over Japan. If they think they have a right to monopolise parts of China it could be another cause of tension. Although with just about every major power other than Britain, which is the dominant economic power in China, already at war with either the Dutch or each other this could be a moot point.
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The Dutch had their own zone of influence in China, which they treated like they treated Japan. They lost these areas, so they will have to restore their influence. Of course, if they manage to win, they will naturally also force Japan (and Korea) into such an agreement. Concerning Korea, the Dutch will want to make it their own protectorate. Right now, they don't yet take the Japanese too seriously and are expecting a relatively easy war. If things get worse, they will indeed have to do something about Korea. Possibly not in ruling it themselves, although no doubt they will want some influence there but if their wise, or concerned about how many wars their involved in/might be then it might be useful to them to encourage unrest there, possibly with the hope of freedom from Japanese control. Although they may think themselves so superior to east Asians that their not bothered at the moment, although this could change if they find Japan a tougher nut than they expect. A couple of points for Raunchel to think on that just occurred to me. a) With Britain neutral because of the tension with the Dutch and Japan actually fighting them that means the German Pacific fleet in China probably hasn't been attacked, or their base at Tsingtao [now called Qingdao]. Their Pacific fleet isn't too large, with a couple of armoured cruisers and several light cruisers but the French might not have anything in the region to oppose them. That could be an issue although their got to watch they don't clash with the numerous Dutch forces in the region. b) In OTL there was an 'open door' policy in China, pushed mainly by Britain and the US as a way of preventing regions of China being closed down by some 'colonial' powers. Not sure what influence they Dutch have in China although they don't have any Chinese territory other than Macao I think. However I note Raunchel said they had some sort of trade monopoly over Japan. If they think they have a right to monopolise parts of China it could be another cause of tension. Although with just about every major power other than Britain, which is the dominant economic power in China, already at war with either the Dutch or each other this could be a moot point. Steve
I doubt the Kaiser is going to send any ships to join the German East Asia Squadron, not with tensions being so high, also a Neterlands-Japanse War means the risk of a Japanese attack on Tsingtao has been reduced a lot i guess. There won't be reinforcements being sent there. The Germans would rather keep their ships where they can be more useful and the Japanese indeed won't be quick to attack Tsingtao or any German holding for that matter. They have far more important things on their minds right now. I doubt the Kaiser is going to send any ships to join the German East Asia Squadron, not with tensions being so high, also a Neterlands-Japanse War means the risk of a Japanese attack on Tsingtao has been reduced a lot i guess.
I was thinking of what it might do itself as with the Dutch and US at war and Britain distracted its more powerful than anything the French have in the region and could cause them some problems, although they might be able to send something from France itself to fight them. Both groups would have to avoid clashing with the Dutch and possibly the British or Americans, although not sure if the US have anything in the western Pacific and if they do it would probably be heading home given the Dutch threat.
The French (and Germans) in the region will probably be fairly careful. They have issues with their own cables being cut by the whole event, and perhaps more importantly, they have noticed a lot of Dutch warships, which of course doesn't make any sense at all. The Germans will however have gone on some small missions to attack the French, but they're not certain about what to do. I was thinking of what it might do itself as with the Dutch and US at war and Britain distracted its more powerful than anything the French have in the region and could cause them some problems, although they might be able to send something from France itself to fight them. Both groups would have to avoid clashing with the Dutch and possibly the British or Americans, although not sure if the US have anything in the western Pacific and if they do it would probably be heading home given the Dutch threat.
Can we now consider Japan to be ally of the United States ore just a co-belligerent in their war against the Republic. Can we now consider Japan to be ally of the United States ore just a co-belligerent in their war against the Republic.
I would say at the moment their co-belligerents. Between the pre-Dutch arrival differences and the fact both are diplomatically isolated especially the US because of its aversion to alliances, plus they might have different ideas of what their desires are it might be difficult get a formal alliance.
They indeed don't have an alliance. I mean, the US didn't even formally ally with the Entente in WW1, so, an alliance might only be something they want if they are fighting for their life and their ally actually has something to offer as an equal. |
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Post by raunchel on Dec 3, 2018 12:33:05 GMT
Battlecruiser Geloof, October 22, 1914
Dearest Jakoba,
Your mother is very sorry for not having written you, but she is feeling unwell under the weather. You know how this time of the year always is bad for her, and now you are gone as well. I have to spend my time with the fleet, leaving her all alone in the house. She is considering living with Aunt Noor for a little while, and naturally, I have encouraged her to do so, even if it means her being in Breda.
It appears that there has been a major engagement at the very beginning of the war. Admiral Wolters struck at what he had been informed was the foremost enemy naval base, a city named New York. In the night, he moved his forward squadrons up within firing range, and just before the first lights of dawn, marine detachments began their assault on known enemy fortresses. At the same time, a squadron of older battleships steamed forward and put any position that opened fire under bombardment.
As soon as enemy guns were silenced, this squadron advanced on the enemy harbour and opened fire on any remaining battery as well as any warships that could be seen. There have been losses suffered by this operation, but as these ships are older, that isn’t something to be concerned with.
What is relevant is that this forced the enemy fleet to sortie. They did this by pieces as their ships already were under fire, and in a disorganized fashion, they approached our ships. In their face, our ships withdrew, drawing the enemy into a pursuit.
At this moment, admiral Wolters ordered the main battleline forward and a battle began. As he outnumbered and outgunned the enemy, the gun battle quickly developed to our advantage and the enemy was forced to withdraw, leaving at least two of their modern battleships behind as well as several other ships, all in flames or with heavy lists. He wrote that one battleship has exploded after a hit by the Herberg van twee Oceanen.
The moment of disorganization in the retreat was seized upon, and Wolters ordered a mass charge of his destroyers and cruisers, which exploited a seeming lack of enemy light forces. Because of the smoke from burning ships, this attack sunk at least three of their battleships. There was an underwater minefield, but it appears that it was meant to be activated from the fortress that had been stormed.
Following this, admiral Wolters demanded the surrender of the city as he steamed his fleet closer, firing on any position that still offered resistance. What we know was sent early in the evening, when the fighting still continued and are eagerly awaiting further reports.
Our own losses aren’t known, admiral Wolters wisely decided not to send his full report by radio or wire, but given the circumstances of the battle, they won’t be overly mild. The marines will have suffered heavily in their landings, and the older battleships will have suffered badly as well. I however am confident that the main force of our American fleet remains intact and that the North Americans will be asking for terms soon enough.
Here, we can only pray for such glory. The situation remains tense and our enemies only become more restless. The English are busying themselves laying mines at their coasts, in a feeble attempt to dissuade us should they force our hand to war. We have been given orders to not provoke them, and naturally, we obey them. It however is proving more and more difficult to restrain the men in the face of the blatant English aggression.
Your loving father,
Johan Rots
Berlin, October 25, 1914
Dear Father,
Hearing about Mother’s illness fills me with so many regrets. I should never have left her like this. It’s not my place to answer the call of the nation. I will write her at once and will pray for her good health.
The battle of New York, as it’s being called here, is quite a topic. People know little about it, but I’ve been told that the German naval ministry is deeply worried about what happened and is looking into reinforcing the protection of their fleet’s bases. I assured them that we have no intention of going to war with them, but still they seem nervous. Lieutenant van der Bilt said that he had faced accusations of dishonesty on the part of our fleet, but he explained that it is a perfectly valid tactical approach to strike at enemy bases.
I have also found out about another engagement, around an area they call Hampton Roads. It seems that a few cruisers took coastal targets under fire before withdrawing in the face of a small enemy fleet, leading them right into what is presumed to be waiting submarines or mines. The Germans believe that at least one battleship was sunk in this action.
We organized a little meeting with the Colombian and Mexican ambassadors. Mr de Beistegui seems to be a little calmer now, and he has been assured that we will do our utmost to restore peace to the hemisphere. He asked if we could inform him of any further plans, but of course, he was told that such things aren’t up to the diplomatic service. The Colombian representative was truly elated, and he asked when the North Americans would sue for peace. Uncle Sytze assured him that he expected that to happen soon enough.
It seems that there now also are issues with the Greeks, who are demanding the return of our part of Crete, even though our nation liberated it from the Turk. Unfortunately, this isn’t being seen like it is, and the Greeks demand it. I’ve heard that even the local population is ready to betray us. The Hague has instructed us to remain silent about it, and assures us that troops are being sent to keep the area quiet after some demonstrations have led to the use of force.
By sheer chance, I’ve also encountered Mrs Gerard again. Of course, we’re not meant to meet given the situation between our nations, but the invitations had already been sent before the declaration of war, leading to these difficulties. She appeared to be in a state of mourning, and naturally, I asked her what had happened. To my surprise, she actually lashed out at me, calling me a treacherous weasel and several other things that I can’t bring myself to repeat in writing. I however understand why she is so distraught; it appears that one of her sons has been killed by our attacks.
He wasn’t a soldier or sailor, but it appears that he was in the part of the city that we put under fire in order to force the enemy fleet to battle. The mere thought of what it must have been like for those poor people horrifies me, but I comfort myself with the thought that it was necessary for the preservation of our republic.
Another rather shocking moment came when I found myself with an English newspaper. It already was a little old, but I try to keep myself informed about what they write. They had printed the photographs that I had arranged to be made of when we delivered the declaration of war and claimed that this was the ‘face of Dutch treachery’. The sight truly shocked me, and I fear that this is how people will see me. I never meant any kind of treachery, and now these people accuse me of such horrible things.
Your faithful daughter,
Jakoba
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Post by eurowatch on Dec 3, 2018 15:07:13 GMT
Battlecruiser Geloof, October 22, 1914Dearest Jakoba, Your mother is very sorry for not having written you, but she is feeling unwell under the weather. You know how this time of the year always is bad for her, and now you are gone as well. I have to spend my time with the fleet, leaving her all alone in the house. She is considering living with Aunt Noor for a little while, and naturally, I have encouraged her to do so, even if it means her being in Breda. It appears that there has been a major engagement at the very beginning of the war. Admiral Wolters struck at what he had been informed was the foremost enemy naval base, a city named New York. In the night, he moved his forward squadrons up within firing range, and just before the first lights of dawn, marine detachments began their assault on known enemy fortresses. At the same time, a squadron of older battleships steamed forward and put any position that opened fire under bombardment. As soon as enemy guns were silenced, this squadron advanced on the enemy harbour and opened fire on any remaining battery as well as any warships that could be seen. There have been losses suffered by this operation, but as these ships are older, that isn’t something to be concerned with. What is relevant is that this forced the enemy fleet to sortie. They did this by pieces as their ships already were under fire, and in a disorganized fashion, they approached our ships. In their face, our ships withdrew, drawing the enemy into a pursuit. At this moment, admiral Wolters ordered the main battleline forward and a battle began. As he outnumbered and outgunned the enemy, the gun battle quickly developed to our advantage and the enemy was forced to withdraw, leaving at least two of their modern battleships behind as well as several other ships, all in flames or with heavy lists. He wrote that one battleship has exploded after a hit by the Herberg van twee Oceanen. The moment of disorganization in the retreat was seized upon, and Wolters ordered a mass charge of his destroyers and cruisers, which exploited a seeming lack of enemy light forces. Because of the smoke from burning ships, this attack sunk at least three of their battleships. There was an underwater minefield, but it appears that it was meant to be activated from the fortress that had been stormed. Following this, admiral Wolters demanded the surrender of the city as he steamed his fleet closer, firing on any position that still offered resistance. What we know was sent early in the evening, when the fighting still continued and are eagerly awaiting further reports. Our own losses aren’t known, admiral Wolters wisely decided not to send his full report by radio or wire, but given the circumstances of the battle, they won’t be overly mild. The marines will have suffered heavily in their landings, and the older battleships will have suffered badly as well. I however am confident that the main force of our American fleet remains intact and that the North Americans will be asking for terms soon enough. Here, we can only pray for such glory. The situation remains tense and our enemies only become more restless. The English are busying themselves laying mines at their coasts, in a feeble attempt to dissuade us should they force our hand to war. We have been given orders to not provoke them, and naturally, we obey them. It however is proving more and more difficult to restrain the men in the face of the blatant English aggression. Your loving father, Johan Rots Berlin, October 25, 1914Dear Father, Hearing about Mother’s illness fills me with so many regrets. I should never have left her like this. It’s not my place to answer the call of the nation. I will write her at once and will pray for her good health. The battle of New York, as it’s being called here, is quite a topic. People know little about it, but I’ve been told that the German naval ministry is deeply worried about what happened and is looking into reinforcing the protection of their fleet’s bases. I assured them that we have no intention of going to war with them, but still they seem nervous. Lieutenant van der Bilt said that he had faced accusations of dishonesty on the part of our fleet, but he explained that it is a perfectly valid tactical approach to strike at enemy bases. I have also found out about another engagement, around an area they call Hampton Roads. It seems that a few cruisers took coastal targets under fire before withdrawing in the face of a small enemy fleet, leading them right into what is presumed to be waiting submarines or mines. The Germans believe that at least one battleship was sunk in this action. We organized a little meeting with the Colombian and Mexican ambassadors. Mr de Beistegui seems to be a little calmer now, and he has been assured that we will do our utmost to restore peace to the hemisphere. He asked if we could inform him of any further plans, but of course, he was told that such things aren’t up to the diplomatic service. The Colombian representative was truly elated, and he asked when the North Americans would sue for peace. Uncle Sytze assured him that he expected that to happen soon enough. It seems that there now also are issues with the Greeks, who are demanding the return of our part of Crete, even though our nation liberated it from the Turk. Unfortunately, this isn’t being seen like it is, and the Greeks demand it. I’ve heard that even the local population is ready to betray us. The Hague has instructed us to remain silent about it, and assures us that troops are being sent to keep the area quiet after some demonstrations have led to the use of force. By sheer chance, I’ve also encountered Mrs Gerard again. Of course, we’re not meant to meet given the situation between our nations, but the invitations had already been sent before the declaration of war, leading to these difficulties. She appeared to be in a state of mourning, and naturally, I asked her what had happened. To my surprise, she actually lashed out at me, calling me a treacherous weasel and several other things that I can’t bring myself to repeat in writing. I however understand why she is so distraught; it appears that one of her sons has been killed by our attacks. He wasn’t a soldier or sailor, but it appears that he was in the part of the city that we put under fire in order to force the enemy fleet to battle. The mere thought of what it must have been like for those poor people horrifies me, but I comfort myself with the thought that it was necessary for the preservation of our republic. Another rather shocking moment came when I found myself with an English newspaper. It already was a little old, but I try to keep myself informed about what they write. They had printed the photographs that I had arranged to be made of when we delivered the declaration of war and claimed that this was the ‘face of Dutch treachery’. The sight truly shocked me, and I fear that this is how people will see me. I never meant any kind of treachery, and now these people accuse me of such horrible things. Your faithful daughter, Jakoba Naturally, Dutch naval power is far superior to whatever the Americans could bring to the Battle. Was there ever any doubt that Our great country would come out on top? |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 3, 2018 15:34:44 GMT
Battlecruiser Geloof, October 22, 1914Dearest Jakoba, Your mother is very sorry for not having written you, but she is feeling unwell under the weather. You know how this time of the year always is bad for her, and now you are gone as well. I have to spend my time with the fleet, leaving her all alone in the house. She is considering living with Aunt Noor for a little while, and naturally, I have encouraged her to do so, even if it means her being in Breda. It appears that there has been a major engagement at the very beginning of the war. Admiral Wolters struck at what he had been informed was the foremost enemy naval base, a city named New York. In the night, he moved his forward squadrons up within firing range, and just before the first lights of dawn, marine detachments began their assault on known enemy fortresses. At the same time, a squadron of older battleships steamed forward and put any position that opened fire under bombardment. As soon as enemy guns were silenced, this squadron advanced on the enemy harbour and opened fire on any remaining battery as well as any warships that could be seen. There have been losses suffered by this operation, but as these ships are older, that isn’t something to be concerned with. What is relevant is that this forced the enemy fleet to sortie. They did this by pieces as their ships already were under fire, and in a disorganized fashion, they approached our ships. In their face, our ships withdrew, drawing the enemy into a pursuit. At this moment, admiral Wolters ordered the main battleline forward and a battle began. As he outnumbered and outgunned the enemy, the gun battle quickly developed to our advantage and the enemy was forced to withdraw, leaving at least two of their modern battleships behind as well as several other ships, all in flames or with heavy lists. He wrote that one battleship has exploded after a hit by the Herberg van twee Oceanen. The moment of disorganization in the retreat was seized upon, and Wolters ordered a mass charge of his destroyers and cruisers, which exploited a seeming lack of enemy light forces. Because of the smoke from burning ships, this attack sunk at least three of their battleships. There was an underwater minefield, but it appears that it was meant to be activated from the fortress that had been stormed. Following this, admiral Wolters demanded the surrender of the city as he steamed his fleet closer, firing on any position that still offered resistance. What we know was sent early in the evening, when the fighting still continued and are eagerly awaiting further reports. Our own losses aren’t known, admiral Wolters wisely decided not to send his full report by radio or wire, but given the circumstances of the battle, they won’t be overly mild. The marines will have suffered heavily in their landings, and the older battleships will have suffered badly as well. I however am confident that the main force of our American fleet remains intact and that the North Americans will be asking for terms soon enough. Here, we can only pray for such glory. The situation remains tense and our enemies only become more restless. The English are busying themselves laying mines at their coasts, in a feeble attempt to dissuade us should they force our hand to war. We have been given orders to not provoke them, and naturally, we obey them. It however is proving more and more difficult to restrain the men in the face of the blatant English aggression. Your loving father, Johan Rots Berlin, October 25, 1914Dear Father, Hearing about Mother’s illness fills me with so many regrets. I should never have left her like this. It’s not my place to answer the call of the nation. I will write her at once and will pray for her good health. The battle of New York, as it’s being called here, is quite a topic. People know little about it, but I’ve been told that the German naval ministry is deeply worried about what happened and is looking into reinforcing the protection of their fleet’s bases. I assured them that we have no intention of going to war with them, but still they seem nervous. Lieutenant van der Bilt said that he had faced accusations of dishonesty on the part of our fleet, but he explained that it is a perfectly valid tactical approach to strike at enemy bases. I have also found out about another engagement, around an area they call Hampton Roads. It seems that a few cruisers took coastal targets under fire before withdrawing in the face of a small enemy fleet, leading them right into what is presumed to be waiting submarines or mines. The Germans believe that at least one battleship was sunk in this action. We organized a little meeting with the Colombian and Mexican ambassadors. Mr de Beistegui seems to be a little calmer now, and he has been assured that we will do our utmost to restore peace to the hemisphere. He asked if we could inform him of any further plans, but of course, he was told that such things aren’t up to the diplomatic service. The Colombian representative was truly elated, and he asked when the North Americans would sue for peace. Uncle Sytze assured him that he expected that to happen soon enough. It seems that there now also are issues with the Greeks, who are demanding the return of our part of Crete, even though our nation liberated it from the Turk. Unfortunately, this isn’t being seen like it is, and the Greeks demand it. I’ve heard that even the local population is ready to betray us. The Hague has instructed us to remain silent about it, and assures us that troops are being sent to keep the area quiet after some demonstrations have led to the use of force. By sheer chance, I’ve also encountered Mrs Gerard again. Of course, we’re not meant to meet given the situation between our nations, but the invitations had already been sent before the declaration of war, leading to these difficulties. She appeared to be in a state of mourning, and naturally, I asked her what had happened. To my surprise, she actually lashed out at me, calling me a treacherous weasel and several other things that I can’t bring myself to repeat in writing. I however understand why she is so distraught; it appears that one of her sons has been killed by our attacks. He wasn’t a soldier or sailor, but it appears that he was in the part of the city that we put under fire in order to force the enemy fleet to battle. The mere thought of what it must have been like for those poor people horrifies me, but I comfort myself with the thought that it was necessary for the preservation of our republic. Another rather shocking moment came when I found myself with an English newspaper. It already was a little old, but I try to keep myself informed about what they write. They had printed the photographs that I had arranged to be made of when we delivered the declaration of war and claimed that this was the ‘face of Dutch treachery’. The sight truly shocked me, and I fear that this is how people will see me. I never meant any kind of treachery, and now these people accuse me of such horrible things. Your faithful daughter, Jakoba Nice update raunchel I do have one question, in war you might think that any letter send is being read by censor to make sure no vital information is send, also how long does it take for a letter to arrive, i doubt Johan Rots is able to send letters regularly due to being on a warship. |
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