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Post by simon darkshade on May 30, 2022 9:20:40 GMT
I’ve got one last 1969 bit on British armament/arms procurement in 1969 and then my collated yearly notes, but while I get that together, some bits on what is coming in 1970:
- Armistice in Vietnam: This leads to a a very different early 1970s without a large scale war and all the associated political, economic and cultural effects thereof
- Subsequent shift to peace: Though a large force will remain in South Vietnam for the time being, it is much reduced from a combat peak. I’m interested in the consequences of ~2 million US soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen coming home
- Return of Orion 5 and Kosmos from the outer solar system
- Computers continue to take off
- Strategic arms talks advance
- The Return of the King hits theatres, but faces competition from The Battle of Britain…
- A shift in Africa
- The significance of Tibet (rivers)
- An Arab change
- American cars continue a certain path of evolution
- A World Cup triumph
- Evel Knievel jumps the Grand Canyon
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Post by lordroel on May 30, 2022 13:49:02 GMT
I’ve got one last 1969 bit on British armament/arms procurement in 1969 and then my collated yearly notes, but while I get that together, some bits on what is coming in 1970: - Armistice in Vietnam: This leads to a a very different early 1970s without a large scale war and all the associated political, economic and cultural effects thereof So there is going to be peace for a while. |
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Post by simon darkshade on May 30, 2022 14:27:43 GMT
Yes, that is the exact meaning of the above. There is still trouble in Africa, but Vietnam comes to an end.
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Post by lordroel on May 30, 2022 14:30:41 GMT
Yes, that is the exact meaning of the above. There is still trouble in Africa, but Vietnam comes to an end. Well there will always be short little hotspot coming and going i assume. |
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Post by simon darkshade on May 30, 2022 15:05:02 GMT
Yes. There hasn’t been a period on Earth without any war and Dark Earth is similar.
What is still ongoing:
- Borneo Confrontation and accompanying ‘mini Cold Wars’ with Malaya and Australia
- Portuguese Colonial War
- Congo Civil War/Rhodesian Bush War
- Some low intensity conflicts in South America and the Philippines
- Something in Jordan…
- West African rebellions, civil wars and general goings on
- Something broader in Africa
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Post by simon darkshade on Jun 2, 2022 13:43:02 GMT
1969/70 Assorted British Statistical Data
Car Ownership: 62% of adult population
Percentage of Secondary School Students going on to University: 16%
Guns Per Capita: 56 per 100 people
Most Common Hair Colours: Blond 48%, Brown 29%, Red 12%, Black 11%
Most Common Eye Colours: Blue 56%, Green 23%, Brown 18%, Purple 2%, Gold/Amber 1%
Average female Dress Size: 10
Average Male Height/Weight: 6’1” and 187lb
Average Female Height/Weight: 5’6” and 132lb
96% live within 15 miles of a railway station
Percentage of Home Owners: 72%
Percentage of Share/Stock Owners: 29%
Average Yearly Consumption: 101lb of beef, 67lb of pork/bacon, 64lb of fish, 60lb of mutton, 56lb of poultry, 200lb of bread, 70lb of cheese, 250 pints of milk, 275lb of potatoes, 320lb of vegetables, 360lb of fruit, 3lb of tea, 72lb of sugar and 326 eggs
Obesity Levels: 1.8% of males, 2.4% of females
Pet Ownership: 42% of households own a dog and 40% own a cat
Electricity Production: Nuclear 30%, Coal 29%, Oil and Gas 25%, Hydroelectricity 14%, Solar 1%, Other 1%
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Post by simon darkshade on Jun 7, 2022 16:37:20 GMT
A zephyr of a preview:
January 1: USN, USAF and USSF aircraft, skyships and satellites begin an immediate massive search for the missing Enterprise, with Pacific Command raised to DEFCON 3 and Department of Magic wizards flying to the Pacific to assist. Whilst no leaks have occurred to civilian press or the general international community, the operation is detected by a Royal Navy cruiser and Soviet satellites; General Secretary Alekseyev declines to make the loss of the carrier public at this time and sends a guarded late night message offering help over the Hotline.
January 2: USS Enterprise reappears 525nm south of Ascension Island, a little worse for wear, but with all aircraft and personnel unscathed, with the latter extremely disoriented and unclear as to what happened. Only a few pilots, the carrier’s captain and his senior officers have a different tale to tell upon making contact with USN top brass on Ascension that night, then latter having flown down to Ascension by hypersonic rocketplanes. The matter is immediately classified Top Secret/Majestic and the carrier is to proceed through Drake’s Passage to the South Pacific and then make for Hawaii.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 7, 2022 16:47:54 GMT
A zephyr of a preview: January 1: USN, USAF and USSF aircraft, skyships and satellites begin an immediate massive search for the missing Enterprise, with Pacific Command raised to DEFCON 3 and Department of Magic wizards flying to the Pacific to assist. Whilst no leaks have occurred to civilian press or the general international community, the operation is detected by a Royal Navy cruiser and Soviet satellites; General Secretary Alekseyev declines to make the loss of the carrier public at this time and sends a guarded late night message offering help over the Hotline. January 2: USS Enterprise reappears 525nm south of Ascension Island, a little worse for wear, but with all aircraft and personnel unscathed, with the latter extremely disoriented and unclear as to what happened. Only a few pilots, the carrier’s captain and his senior officers have a different tale to tell upon making contact with USN top brass on Ascension that night, then latter having flown down to Ascension by hypersonic rocketplanes. The matter is immediately classified Top Secret/Majestic and the carrier is to proceed through Drake’s Passage to the South Pacific and then make for Hawaii. Cliffhanger. I like it. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Jun 7, 2022 17:02:11 GMT
How a carrier disappears near Wake Island in the Pacific and ends up in the South Atlantic isn’t fully explained then and there, but there will be enough clues…
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Post by lordroel on Jun 7, 2022 17:05:33 GMT
How a carrier disappears near Wake Island in the Pacific and ends up in the South Atlantic isn’t fully explained then and there, but there will be enough clues… Its the Enterprise, she is meant to boldly go where no man has gone before. |
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Post by miletus12 on Jun 7, 2022 17:58:48 GMT
How a carrier disappears near Wake Island in the Pacific and ends up in the South Atlantic isn’t fully explained then and there, but there will be enough clues… USS Robin. "I shot an arrow into the air, and where she sailed; I know not where. "Winnie the Pooh". |
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Post by simon darkshade on Jun 7, 2022 18:08:18 GMT
It is something to do with antipodes, inverse Bermuda Triangle shenanigans, Atlantis v Mu and some grey beings, but alas and alack, no Pooh.
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Post by miletus12 on Jun 7, 2022 18:35:41 GMT
It is something to do with antipodes, inverse Bermuda Triangle shenanigans, Atlantis v Mu and some grey beings, but alas and alack, no Pooh. Maybe along the lines of the USS Eldridge hoax? |
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Post by simon darkshade on Jun 8, 2022 2:08:24 GMT
It is a bit bigger; the Philadelphia Experiment is a real thing here.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jun 21, 2022 9:10:00 GMT
1969 British Armament Program
Tanks: 3257
(1745 Chieftains, 290 Royalists, 440 Valiants, 234 Super Conquerors, 548 Crusaders)
IFVs: 2964
(2016 FV-525 Warrior, 948 FV-432 Saxon)
APCs: 4025
(1296 Centaur IMV, 1025 Saladin AMC, 950 Sentinel LAV, 754 MAV)
Artillery: 2467
(80 3.75" Vickers Whirlwind SPAAGs, 160 42mm Marksman SPAAGs, 320 25mm Sharpshooter SPAAGs
524 42mm AA
550 L24 125mm Light Guns (250 Britain, 250 Benelux)
250 L121 6" Gun-Howitzers (100 Britain, 100 Israel, 50 Benelux)
250 FV236 Archbishops, 125 FV254 Lionhearts, 50 FV287 Excalibur, 12 375mm
100 Catapult MRLS)
Missiles: 236
(20 Black Arrow MRBM, 20 Blue Streak ICBM; 16 White Knight, 32 Gold Crown, 48 Black Prince, 100 Blue Water)
SAMs: 2200
(400 Blue Envoy (240 export), 200 Bloodhound (export); 640 PT.428 Rapier SAMs, 960 EG.324 Sabre SAMs)
MANPADs: 2000
2000 Vickers Skyflash
ATGMs: 10000
2000 Hawker-Siddeley Javelins, 2000 Fairey Swingfires, 6000 Shorts Green Apples
Vehicles: 26,100
(5000 Bedford MK 5t lorry, 3000 Leyland Ranger 5t 6x6 lorry, 1500 Alvis Stalwart 10t 8x8 lorry, 100 Scammell Commander, 10,000 Land Rovers, 1500 Humber Pigs, 5000 Austin Champions)
Mortars: 2000
(875 L13 2.5", 528 L16 3.5", 240 L18 3.75" Automatic, 180 L12 4.5", 123 L35 6.5", 54 L52 10")
Small Arms
(229,563 L1A2 battle rifles, 155,942 L2A4 assault rifles, 82,510 L10 pistols, 79,344 L10A1 submachine guns, 36,519 L4 LMGs, 19,248 L6 GPMGs, 10,176 L12 HMGs, 2534 Maxim Guns)
Military Aircraft: 3296
Vickers (627)
120 Vickers Thunderbolts
25 Supermarine Excaliburs
30 Supermarine Victorys
90 Supermarine Eagle TSR-2s (42 India, 24 Rhodesia, 24 New Zealand)
80 Supermarine Spitfires
54 Norman Islander
100 Westland Tigers
80 Westland Sea King (55 RN, 25 India)
64 Westland Westminsters
de Havilland (617)
245 de Havilland Tornadoes (125 Britain, 60 Benelux, 60 Germany)
100 Phantoms
50 de Havilland Vanguards
29 de Havilland DH.125 Jet Dragons
35 Handley-Page Hawthorn (Argentina)
24 Handley-Page Vengeances
82 Percival Lynx
50 Percival Prefect
Armstrong-Whitworth (616)
29 Armstrong-Whitworth Warspite
54 Armstrong-Whitworth AW.249 AEW
100 Phantoms
96 Gloster Lions (66 RAF, 30 RCAF)
60 Gloster P.462 Reaper (36 Mexico, 24 Persia)
129 Fairey Rotodynes
60 Fairey Delta II
40 Fairey Swordfish ASW
48 Saunders Roe SR.187 (Germany)
Hawker-Siddeley (753)
100 Hawker-Siddeley Phantoms
50 Hawker-Siddeley Merlins
154 H-S Harriers/Sea Harriers (84 India, 48 Italy, 32 Spain)
160 Hawker-Siddeley Hurricanes
24 Hawker Siddeley HS.681 Skyblazers
150 Blackburn Buccaneers (50 UK, 50 India, 50 Germany)
64 Avro Vulcans
36 Avro 780 Andover
15 Avro Vindicators
Bristol (683)
78 Bristol Buckinghams
136 Bristol Bulldogs
120 Bristol Strikemaster
200 English Electric Lightnings (100 RAF, 50 Israel, 50 India, 40 Benelux)
103 Folland-Miles Wasps
46 Boulton Paul Darings (24 Peru, 22 Venezuela)
FWIW, Civilian Aircraft Production in 1969:
Vickers (200)
64 Vickers VC7 MR
70 Vickers VC11 SR
36 Vickers Merchantmen
25 Vickers VC10 VLR
5 Vickers Swallows
Hawker-Siddeley Group (250)
24 Hawker-Siddeley Concorde
36 Avro Atlantic
65 Avro Andovers
53 Hawker-Siddeley Tridents
72 Hawker-Siddeley One-Eleven
de Havilland Group (219)
19 de Havilland DH.150 LR SST
42 de Havilland DH.125 Jet Dragon
64 de Havilland Super Comet
15 Handley Page HP.125 Jetstream LR SST
79 Handley Page HP.137 Skycoach SR Turboprop
Bristol Group (187)
74 Bristol Bermuda Type 200 SR
59 Bristol Britannia
42 Bristol Skyliner Type 201 MR
12 Bristol Type 250 LR SST (Large Type 223)
Armstrong-Whitworth Group (271)
24 Armstrong-Whitworth AW.650 Argosys
35 Armstrong-Whitworth AW.750 Airbus
87 Armstrong-Whitworth AW.684 Arcadia SR Turboprop
125 Fairey Rotodynes
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