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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 31, 2018 21:52:49 GMT
There isn't a Dutch heir apart from Princess Beatrix; there are strong political pressures behind the proposed unio.
The lower North Sea oil and gas will largely go fo Britain and the Netherlands, so there will be only somewhat less opportunity for contracting Dutch disease.
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Post by stevep on Aug 1, 2018 7:41:36 GMT
There isn't a Dutch heir apart from Princess Beatrix; there are strong political pressures behind the proposed unio. The lower North Sea oil and gas will largely go fo Britain and the Netherlands, so there will be only somewhat less opportunity for contracting Dutch disease.
That should make the union somewhat easier to swallow for the Dutch then.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 1, 2018 12:54:16 GMT
Never Had it So Good Part 12
Bailey had been quite right – the boys were awake and raring to go and were already talking eagerly about the marvelous parade that awaited as they flew down the stairs.
“Do you think there’ll be a Chieftain, Peter?”
“No, they still haven’t got any in the Territorial Army, according to my book. But they could have a Super Centurion.”
“Super!” Richard’s anticipation literally carried him outside, barely giving him time to touch the ground. Two seconds later, he reached back around the door to grab his shoes, having neglected them in his enthusiasm for modern military equipment.
Sam and Simon exchanged a brief gaze of amusement before heading out to join the boys, who bounced around in anticipation. As they rounded out the front gate, they were joined by the equally excitable Cavendish lads from next door and their somewhat world-weary father.
“Morning Simon and Sam. I see your lads are taking this in the same quiet and reverent manner as my creatures.”
“We were all young once, James, even if it was a long time ago. I seem to remember a young fellow being over the moons at the prospect of riding on a Mark IV back in the day.”
“I have no idea who you are talking about whatsoever.” Cavendish replied with a completely straight face. “Victoria coming down with the girls later on?”
“Indeed. Wrangling them into dresses takes a little bit more time than the boys, apparently.”
They walked on down the road, bidding a cheerful good morning to an old man in a natty trilby who was busy clipping his hedge. It was now a bright and crisp morning and the sun delicately broke through the canopy of the trees in a delightful patchwork of light and shade. To one side, a long avenue lined with jacaranda trees lead to a far-off large three storey house and on the other stood a small park replete with brightly coloured children’s play equipment and a large wooden table and chairs inside the hollow of an ancient and gnarled oak. An extremely realistic face was carved into the tree and, for half a heartbeat, Sam could have sworn that he saw the oak’s eyes following him.
“This should be a rather good parade this year, Sam.” began Bailey as they strolled onwards, the village square now in sight. “Usually it is just the local TA and Home Guard, but this year, due to the exercises, one of the regular Ox and Bucks companies is in the area.” He gave a meaningful glance to indicate that their presence was not entirely coincidental. “You see, James, Sam here is something of a student of defence policy and equipment.”
“This should suit you to a tee, then, old boy. Our local brigade has always been one of the first to get fitted out with new kit, which fascinates the boys no end.”
“Shame to see that change, really.” Bailey remarked as he continued to look straight ahead. James Cavendish furrowed his brows slightly, digesting the remark.
“Yes, it would be a shame.”
The village square was quite packed for this time of morning, with more people than Sam had ever previously seen in it during his few days in Ashford thus far. They were arrayed on both sides of the road, a few bearing deck chairs and shooting sticks and others standing patiently, following the stolid example of two blue-uniformed police constables who kept a steady eye on proceedings with hands clasped firmly behind their backs. Bright bunting and dozens of Union Jacks fluttered from every corner of every building and a carnival atmosphere filled the air. Sam saw a few old ladies pausing before a young oak tree that was planted inside a neat circle of gold coloured stones. It looked no more than ten years old, but was obviously given no small measure of respect. Bailey saw his perplexed expression and stepped forth to explain.
“That’s the Coronation Tree, planted on the morning of Her Majesty’s coronation in ’53. They say it is from an acorn of the Royal Oak itself, which was planted by King Arthur. As long as the trees grow, then England will never fall. It may just be a story, but it is a good one.”
“It has grown quite a bit in only eight years.”
“Certainly. One of many monuments, memorials and events which marked that glorious day. It marked the dawn of the new Elizabethan era and what a great one it has been so far.”
They settled down in a comfortable position on a wooden trestle bench near The Lion and Unicorn and soon enough heard the approaching sound of a military band. Winding around the side of the square came a procession lead by a slow driving Land Rover and two steadily marching standard bearers, carrying the Union flag and the Queen's Colours of the 4th Battalion of the Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire Light Infantry, flanked by a pair of colour sergeants with fixed bayonets. Following was the battalion band, clad in scarlet uniforms and ardently playing an upbeat march that Sam seemed to recognize, but couldn’t quite put his finger on. They were met by rousing cheers from the men, women and children of Ashford, who waved their small flags with enthusiastic gusto.
Next came the local Home Guard, a whole platoon of young men marching smartly in familiar olive green battledress and Brodie helmets, but seemingly very well equipped, with what appeared to be a mixture of SLRs and Bren Guns carried by most. They were given a most hearty reception by the local crowd, many of whom were related to the volunteer soldiers parading past them. Trailing them were a pair of greatly enlarged Universal Carriers towing 6pdr anti-tank guns. The slight incongruity in equipment that buzzed in the back of Sam’s head was swiftly forgotten when the following unit began to trot past.
It was cavalry, but not as he knew it.
Twenty hard faced men rode slowly forward on huge war horses that loomed almost 24 hands high. Each trooper wore a suit of elaborate and formidable full plate armour set with gold and silver engravings, brilliant red tunics, golden epaulettes, short blue cloaks and splendid plumed helmets. They carried long lances that crackled with blue sparks of electricity, shields covered with their regimental coat of arms, huge greatswords in scabbards at their side, a brace of large machine pistols on their belts and automatic rifles with under-barrel grenade launchers tucked into pockets in the saddles. The horses were clad in plate barding and some form of shining chainmail that covered their forelegs. Every horse and rider seemed to shine with a faintly unnatural radiance that made it difficult for Sam to focus on them. Simon looked on, beaming with obvious pride.
“You wouldn’t want them charging down at you at forty miles an hour, would you?”
“No, I don’t think I would.” Dozens of questions rocketed about inside his mind, but the cavalry division was already passing them by.
The cavalry was followed by the main body of infantry, a full company of the 4th Battalion. Unlike the Home Guard, they wore full dress uniform replete with highly polished buttons and immaculate buff facings. Long, extremely sharp bayonets glittered at the end of their battle rifles as they marched through the village square in precise order, showing no emotion despite their rapturous reception. Once again, Sam noted the uniformly tall height of the soldiers and, for some reason, the slightly pointed ears of at least two of them. From behind them came the rumble of engines and the creak of tank tracks, sending the boys into paroxysms of gleeful excitement. The regulars were next.
Around the corner came four FV432 armoured personnel carriers that looked larger and more heavily armoured than the pictures he was accustomed to seeing. Each carried a heavy autocannon in a large turret flanked by what seemed to be launching tubes for anti-tank guided missiles. The smiling commanders stood at their lethal-looking heavy machine guns and waved at the crowds as they went by. Coming after them was a pair of hulking tanks, which Sam surmised were the Super Centurions. They were painted in an ingenious disruptive camouflage pattern of forest greens and browns, but the most immediately apparent features were their large guns and the additional armour that had been added around the turret and front of the tank. A coaxial autocannon and several machine guns completed the fearsome armament and coloured penants fluttered from the radio aerials as they clanked past. The small procession of armoured vehicles was completed by an Abbott self propelled howitzer and another pair of FV432s. The last section of the parade seemed somewhat anticlimactic after them, consisting of two platoons of the regular infantry and their regimental Corps of Drums.
All in all, it had been a rather different experience and presented considerable food for thought and further discussion. When no further units followed the last ranks of the marchers, he gathered that the parade was over. As he turned to head off, Bailey’s hand fell lightly on his shoulder.
“Not quite yet, Sam. There’s one final element to come.”
Out of the skies to the west came the sound of jet engines, followed by the sight of four small delta winged fighters flying alongside a huge Vulcan high overhead. Many looked up to seem the go over, but there weren’t the same cheers and waving of hats that had occurred on Saturday morning, apart from those young boys who hadn’t yet swarmed after the tanks. The fighters looked extremely familiar with their large wing and twin engines, but that double tail really shouldn’t have been there…
“Fairey Delta IIIs?”
“Delta IIs, actually. One of our best. More of a long range all-rounder than her older sister, but if it gets anywhere near the sales that the Delta did in the ‘50s, then Fairey will be very rich indeed. Even the Japs are interested. Anyway, I doubt that little flyover was entirely for our benefit, before you go getting any ideas; Bomber Command doesn’t stop its airborne patrols just because it is a holiday, after all.”
They walked over to the Victoria Tea Room, whose outside tables were already full. Utilising all his charms, Simon managed to wangle a nice little place in the far corner and ordered a pot of tea.
“That will be enough to keep the boys going for days, and no doubt the girls as well. A bit more presence of the heavy mob than usual, but that is to be expected in this day and age.”
“The cavalry was a bit of a shock. Armoured men on horseback seems a bit old fashioned in an age of space travel and nuclear missiles.”
“Old fashioned isn’t always useless, Sam. Now, I’ll grant you that horse may not be of a lot of use if you wanted to knock out Moscow, but for home security, rear area defence and colonial policing, they fill a nice little niche. They were quite useful in Normandy. Ah, thank you, John.” One of the elderly waiters carefully placed their tea and complimentary biscuits on the fresh white tablecloth and smiled obligingly at Bailey’s gratitude.
“Cavalry? In Overlord?”
“Of course. Scouts and reconnaissance, mainly, although there were a few charges once we broke the Jerries and got them on the run. Even with modern magical armour, they took some nasty casualties, though. Poor men. Poor horses. Still, a great victory and a day to be proud of.”
“There you go with that sense of martial national pride again.” winked Sam.
“Naturally, dear boy. If one cannot be proud of our achievements on a day like this, then when can we? The August bank holiday?”
“No, I was just being a bit facetious; it takes a bit to get your head around the ordinary past, let alone the extraordinary. That, and we are generally proud of different things back home.”
“Such as?”
“The NHS. The welfare state. A fair and inclusive society.”
“I see. Can’t say that health and welfare would rank that highly in the general pantheon of British achievements here, at least not above the Empire, history, the monarchy, the armed forces, our power and what we’ve discovered and done as a people. Don’t get me wrong, Sam – they’re important things, but they’re not the subject of panegyrics or light operas. We rule the waves and sail among the stars, after all.”
“From what I read, it seems as if the Americans and Russians might have something to say about both of those.”
“They always do. Perhaps if we’d had the type of experience that some of the European states had in the world wars, we might think differently. They certainly took a while to get their confidence back and some never have.”
“It is still surprising. I’d think that with rationing and austerity after the war into the 50s, people would have wanted a better life at home before more insubstantial glories.”
“Good thing that didn’t happen here then. Rationing would have finished in…’46 or ’47, as I recall. I was out in Singapore for a little while, so missed out on the cold weather. Austerity? There was a bit under the Lib/Labs during the postwar recession, but that broke quite nicely by the time Churchill got back in. Within a few short years, everything was booming, including the birth rate; highest in a hundred years, it was.” Simon dipped his biscuit into his tea and nibbled thoughtfully.
A pair of men in air force blue walked into the tearoom, laughing together in what seemed to be American accents until Sam spotted the large ‘Canada’ identification flashes they wore. “Do you get many Canadians around here?”
Bailey nodded. “Quite a lot. The Royal Canadian Air Force have a squadron up at Halton and there is an infantry battalion of the Canadian Corps at Aylesbury. Most of them are down here in the south, apart from the RCN European Squadron up with the Grand Fleet, so it does get a bit crowded. And those are just the ones in their own forces. Finding space will be an interesting challenge, what with current developments and old friends likely to be coming back.”
At that point, a pair of jeeps drove into the village square and parked neatly outside The Golden Dragon. Four men in green uniforms and peaked caps jumped out, laughing and clapping each other on the shoulder. As they walked inside the pub, Sam and Simon caught sight of the Stars and Stripes on their shoulders. Bailey almost spat out his tea in surprise.
“Well, that was quick.”
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Post by stevep on Aug 1, 2018 14:43:21 GMT
That last big suggests that Simon was expecting some yanks to turn up. Not quite sure why but could be interesting to find out. Social services and health measures will be less important if by some magical or other means the historical problems of poor health and social deprivation have been avoided. However difficult not to see a lot of people suffering poverty in the early industrial period at least. Presumably the cavalry included a couple of half-elves? Were the crackling around the lances electrical, magical or some combination?
Did the Royal Oak fail as OTL in the late Viking period [Sweyn Forkbeard and Cnut] and then during the Norman invasion disaster or were those avoided in TTL?
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 2, 2018 13:06:03 GMT
Simon did know that something was afoot regarding a new arrangement with the Americans and there are several large air bases within the local vicinity. He deduced that some may turn up eventually, but not on the very morning of the White Paper's release.
There was certainly a fair bit of poverty in the Victorian period and this was only somewhat ameliorated by the social welfare provided by the Church, monasteries and charities. Modern reforms began in the 1870s and there were gradual improvements to nutrition and general health among the poor from the 1890s onwards, partially in response to the poor standard of health of military recruits. Environmental improvements such as various Clean Air Acts proceeded through the decades prior to the Great War, along with various Liberal reforms. Postwar, 'A Land Fit for Heroes' was more than a slogan and significant improvements were made to housing, pensions, provision of health care and other assorted areas. The Great Depression was somewhat flatter and curtailed a little earlier due to expanded rearmament, particularly in Northern England and Scotland; Palmers does not close at Jarrow, for example.
These developments and long term factors, along with the Liberal-Labour coalition postwar, result in a slightly different welfare state that isn't seen quite as much as epoch-defining.
The cavalry was all human; half-elves will come in time.
The Royal Oak didn't fall during the Danish ascendancy or the Norman Conquest, leading some sages and scholars to speculate that Aethelred's defeat was a righteous and fortuitous event and that William's victory at Hastings, however distasteful, was fair won. It has similarities to the Mandate of Heaven in China.
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Post by stevep on Aug 2, 2018 17:14:40 GMT
Simon did know that something was afoot regarding a new arrangement with the Americans and there are several large air bases within the local vicinity. He deduced that some may turn up eventually, but not on the very morning of the White Paper's release. There was certainly a fair bit of poverty in the Victorian period and this was only somewhat ameliorated by the social welfare provided by the Church, monasteries and charities. Modern reforms began in the 1870s and there were gradual improvements to nutrition and general health among the poor from the 1890s onwards, partially in response to the poor standard of health of military recruits. Environmental improvements such as various Clean Air Acts proceeded through the decades prior to the Great War, along with various Liberal reforms. Postwar, 'A Land Fit for Heroes' was more than a slogan and significant improvements were made to housing, pensions, provision of health care and other assorted areas. The Great Depression was somewhat flatter and curtailed a little earlier due to expanded rearmament, particularly in Northern England and Scotland; Palmers does not close at Jarrow, for example. These developments and long term factors, along with the Liberal-Labour coalition postwar, result in a slightly different welfare state that isn't seen quite as much as epoch-defining. The cavalry was all human; half-elves will come in time. The Royal Oak didn't fall during the Danish ascendancy or the Norman Conquest, leading some sages and scholars to speculate that Aethelred's defeat was a righteous and fortuitous event and that William's victory at Hastings, however distasteful, was fair won. It has similarities to the Mandate of Heaven in China.
OK thanks. Have to disagree with those sages on the last bit however as William the Foul shares joint leadership in my list of worst ever kings of England.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 3, 2018 4:58:03 GMT
He is still seen as a bad king, but not quite an unlawful usurper.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 5, 2018 6:10:47 GMT
Some notes to Parts 11 and 12:
- There is still a fair bit left to play out before any union between the Netherlands and Belgium, so Simon may be a little precipitous in his analysis. - France is playing a long game with regard to the European balance of power. - There is something of a different evolution of Western Christianity, reflecting some interesting developments in the Middle Ages and Early Modern Period. - The Jerusalem Regiment is a multinational unit responsible for general security of the Holy City and other sites in conjunction with the Templars, Sikh Division and others; this reflects a different Middle Eastern environment detailed in the 1947 thread. - Professional sport is still looked down upon in Britain; in this sense, cultural developments are running perhaps 15 years behind Earth. - Sport is valued, but isn't seen as a viable career. - Sam's characterisation is quite right, but he has it somewhat around the wrong way. Britain and to varying extents other Dark Earth European states still have their prewar attitudes to patriotism and nationalism, which approach the jingoistic in some cases. They are like the Americans he knows, as that is what he associates with more assertive nationalism. - This Wonderful World was a historical television series. - The film is fictional, taking its name from 'The Lion Has Wings'. Ash Silver is a 'real' pilot featured in The Red Shadow, which is being edited. - The planes are all rather different. The Spectre is based on a plane from Project Cancelled (DH.127) that fills a similar niche to the F-4 Phantom, but mainly operates as a fighter bomber. - Sam dreams of being chased by a terrifying vampire duck for some interesting reasons. - A gypsy wagon with an ankh is a reference to the Ultima computer gene series and will feature again soon. - General life expectancy seems to be longer and more veterans seem to have lasted longer. - The war memorial reflects a different view of the wars of the 20th century; one of remembrance, but also of pride in victory. The Great War in particular is seen in popular culture as a clear and worthwhile victory rather than a waste of life. The sermon also shows evidence of a much more Muscular Christianity. - The asforht is the magical stone of non-detection given to Sam earlier. - Overlord is a subject that will have a storyline all of its own. In brief, taking Caen on the first day/fulfilling Monty's original plan will have consequences and the double blow of Anvil is quite effective, at least to begin with. - The White Paper had a few hidden surprises, but the offhand references to the Atlantic Alliance will be causing a lot of interest around the world. Note that it comes out directly following a major superpower summit that is seen as successful; there are hints that the Soviets have been apprised of the plans...but what is the cost or trade off? - Sam's mention of NATO could have some interesting affects... - Behind the scenes,the Soviets have nominally acquiesced to Atlantic Alliance/NATO* troops in Germany and Austria-Hungary for perhaps half a dozen reasons. Two of these are free naval movement through the Straits from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean in peacetime and to break apart France from the Americans and British over the anvil of Germany. As more details come out, it will reveal a division based limitation, which the West will handle in some innovative ways. - Meanwhile, Germany and Austria-Hungary are quietly relieved that they don't have to go through with full scale military build ups on their own.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 5, 2018 6:11:20 GMT
Never Had it So Good Part 13
Recovering his customary cool, Simon rose up out of his seat with his head cocked and an expression of peculiar purpose on his face. “If you’ll excuse me for a moment, Sam, I’ve just got to attend to a welcoming committee.”
With that, he walked into the tearoom and began an intense whispered conversation with an elderly man sitting at the counter. The old fellow finally nodded, strode over to the Canadians and spoke to them in a hurried tone, punctuated with urgent gestures and the surreptious flashing of some sort of identification papers. The two RCAF airmen gulped their tea, stood up and made their way purposefully to The Golden Dragon. Within a few minutes, they emerged with the Americans, laughing loudly and engaging in what seemed to be boisterous boasting as they hopped into the keeps and drove off at what was an alarmingly high speed for the sedate streets of Ashford.
Bailey sat down with a pleasant smile. “That should take care of them. Old Noll over there is one of our chaps and the Canucks didn’t need much persuasion to entice our new chums back to their base for a little drinking competition; any time you get an American and a Canadian in a room together, a contest of some sort is inevitable and it usually involves drinking.”
“Why did you get rid of them?”
“You of course, Sam. It wouldn’t do to have them accidentally dig up some detail about you; the entire matter of their presence seems a bit too convenient and I don’t believe in coincidences. Lucky that we have the Canadians around, as always.” He spoke with obvious affection in his voice.
“You seem to like them a lot.”
“Naturally, my dear boy, naturally! They are the oldest and the closest of all the Dominions, not to mention the largest. There have been RCAF types in this neck of the woods for over twenty years, they are utterly smashing chaps and their Arrows are extremely handy for the air defence of Great Britain to boot.”
“The Arrow didn’t quite make it where I’m from. Too expensive and it came in at the wrong time, just as the threat of ballistic missiles became the main one.”
“That sounds like a jolly rum combination, alright. The Russians have only fielded intercontinental rockets in the past year or so, which is changing the defence picture for everyone, not just the North Americans. Canada has been able to afford both fighters and missiles, though - they’re our second largest industrial powerhouse and most major defence projects have been funded by Britain and the Empire together. There are many bows against the Bolsheviks, but they all fire Arrows.”
“Are there a lot of Commonwealth forces in Britain, then?
“Quite a few. Blood is thicker than water, after all. Apart from RCAFE and all the other Dominion air squadrons, there is the Canadian Corps and the Anzac Division down south, the West Indians in Bristol and the West Country, the Saracs in Yorkshire and a whole Commonwealth naval squadron up at Scapa.”
“Reorganizing all that to fall under any Allied command would be just a little difficult.”
“You hit the proverbial nail on the proverbial head there, Sam. It will be interesting to see how they try to juggle all these little arrangements; I can’t see Fighter or Bomber Command coming under American or any foreign command, nor the Grand Fleet for that matter. On the Canadian side alone, they’ve got their forces for the Pacific and South America which wouldn’t fall under the auspices of the Atlantic Pact. Plenty to chew on. Still, the whole business is a net win for all of us, if it comes through. It fixes the balance of power on the Continent, ties the French in and makes Scandinavia a bit of an easier job to handle. Good heavens, it could even resolve the big question of Germany and the Bomb!” Simon stroked his moustache thoughtfully as he stared off at the wall, moving units, ships and planes around an invisible map only he could see.
“You mentioned that they had a few personnel in the British military as well. Peter’s book talked about entire Army divisions recruited from all over the Empire.”
“More than a few, Sam. I’d say at least one in ten of our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines are from the Empire, if not more so. Then there are Commonwealth forces you mentioned. One of the best things to come out of Korea and Malaya, they are. A crack air portable division based here in England, drawn from all over the British Isles and the Dominions. They’re really the Sunday punch of the Imperial Strategic Reserve and come cheap to boot. Working together really is the essence of it, old boy. It worked marvelously in the war and the British Empire Air Training Plan still does the job to this day. And we’ll probably need the manpower for the new fleet if Barton gets in.”
“Barton? New fleet?” This was something entirely new for Sam.
“Forgive me, Sam; I do sometimes forget that you are coming in partway through our island story. Stanley Barton is the leader of the Labour Party and a fairly good shot at coming out as our next Prime Minister in three years or so, whenever the next general election comes. It would be a coalition, of course, but he has been quite the strong performer in Parliament and is respected across the nation.”
“Sounds like a bit of an interesting bloke. Whatever happened to Hugh Gaitskell?”
“Died in ’56, right before the war kicked off. I’m not the greatest authority on Labour politics, but it came down to Nye Bevan, Morrison, some old fellow whose name slips my mind and Barton. He broke them all in that leadership contest, then smashed the hard left right out of the party. He’s a hard man, grim, stern and tough, but a real leader of men. I met him briefly, during the war; his was the first British company to make it to the Reichstag after the Poles and they would have followed him anywhere.”
“I can imagine the country would be in for a bit of a change after so many years of the Tories.”
“That may be, Sam, that may well be. It will be difficult for Labour or the Liberals to knock off the government in a time of low unemployment and high growth, but Barton has played his cards so far very cleverly. As well as traditional Empire Socialism, he has attacked the Conservatives on foreign policy and defence, calling for a build up of the Royal Navy and Army, with much of the heavy industrial work for it to be done in the North, Scotland, Wales and the Midlands. ‘Britain – Mightier Yet’. It’s quite the catchy idea.”
“It doesn’t quite sound like the Labour I’m familiar with, but there is a certain amount of Keynesian sense to a re-armament programme.” Empire Socialism? That was a new one.
“Ah! You’ve heard of Keynes! Quite the different thinker, he is. I went to a talk by him in London last year.”
Sam blinked in surprise. Another little change. “This Barton fellow can’t seriously think that the UK on its own can catch up to the United States.”
“Perhaps not, but we can stay in front of the Russians. And it isn’t just us alone, but the whole Empire in it together. He talks about dozens of new destroyers and escorts, doubling submarine production and building a whole new class of light carriers; how much of that would actually get done is a different matter. We may be small on our own, Sam, but together, we are much, much more. We are together.” Bailey once again became fixated on the wall, nodded once to himself and smiled.
As he did so, the door of the tearoom swung open once more and what came through it took Sam’s breath away. His first impression was of a soft, glowing light, like sunlight suddenly bursting through the clouds on an overcast day. There was a faint scent like a forest glade, one that immediately reminded Sam of the copse where he had awoken on Friday. Striding gracefully into the room came a tall man, light of foot and lithe, his flowing long hair of shining gold, his visage fair and young and fearless and full of life and his sparkling blue eyes bright and keen. Yet that youth seemed tempered with the passage of countless summers and that keenness marked by an implicit sadness at the changing of the world. There was something very different about this man, from the very way he walked to the almond shape and curious depth of his eyes. As he approached the counter, a fascinated Sam saw a peculiar pointed ear that told him that this was no man.
He was an elf.
“Good morning, Mrs. Jones. Lapsang souchong and one of your delectable little apple tarts, if I may.” He spoke in a light and musical voice, with a kindly smile on his face.
“But of course, Master Saethrian. A pleasure it is to see you back in town after so long.”
“You are too kind. Very few things could keep me from the woods here, for they have been my friends for many a long year.”
With tea and food in hand, he made his way directly over to where Bailey and Sam were seated and pulled up a chair next to them.
“Wotcha, Simon. How goes it in the shadowy affairs of men?”
“Quite swimmingly, thank you, old crocus. Still up to no good in the woods?”
“You make it seem so very tawdry. Who’s your chum?”
Saethrian, this is Sam Johnson, a young friend of mine from Australia. Sam, this is Saethrian Tamlin Amrodel, our local Treewarden and an old comrade of mine from way back. He rode a dragon in France and Germany and then did an interesting tour with the Royal Ninjas.”
“I’ll always remember that time with that rat fellow. A pleasure to meet you, Sam.” He smiled as he thrust out his delicate yet strong hand. When Sam grasped it, an electric shock and a warm sensation ran down his arm, causing him to jerk back in surprise. He clasped his numb hand to his chest, wringing it to try and get some feeling back.
“Oh! My apologies, Sam. Hmmm…Australia, is it? Strange. I could have sworn that accent was more North London than antipodean, but I haven’t been out that way since that tiff with Boney.”
Bailey chuckled as he knocked on the table with amusement. “Trust an elf to flaunt about in such a bally mystical manner. As you have no doubt deduced, Sam, my elven friend here has a certain yen for carrying on with minor aura dweomers like something out of a children’s book. Ever the prankster.”
Saethrian sighed and then seemed to shrink slightly, losing that strange radiance and presence he had projected since entering the room, becoming altogether more normal.
“There, that’s a bit more suitable to our circumstances. Now, Saethrian, I trust that your forest rambling hasn’t left you too stumped to come to tea again soon.”
“Of course, Bailey, once my duties allow. The old trees speak of some strange winds and stranger sights, so I must set off for Avalon to seek the counsel of the Wise. But soon, my friend, soon. I trust Mr. Johnson is having an interesting time in his mother country?”
Sam paused for thought and then finally spoke. “Interesting is one word for it. Very different. Surprising. Shocking. Heart warming. Confusing.”
The elf laughed heartily at his adjectival litany. “Poor fellow! In all my five hundred and twenty-seven years, I haven’t come across someone in quite the same predicament.”
“Five hundred and twenty-seven!” gasped Sam. “That means…you’ve lived through so much – the War of the Roses, the Tudors, Shakespeare, the Civil War, the Industrial Revolution...so much.”
“Well, now you mention it, you’re broadly correct. The affairs of men didn’t bother me much in the summer of my youth, at least not until I ran away to go to sea with that funny Italian fellow. Shakespeare was a nice fellow, not at all like his picture, though; I remember one jolly wheeze we came up with over a few pints of sack one night about hiding some nonsense ciphers in his plays.”
“Our dear Sam has a fair bit to take in and more questions than he knows how to ask, Saethrian.”
“Why not try the Librarium in that case?”
“What’s a Librarium?” Sam asked, interested as ever in any answers as to this world and his place in it.
“Quite a nifty little room at the village museum; we’re very lucky to have it. Think of it as part magic lantern, part cinema show, part microfiche and part fairground ride, all with shiny brass buttons and a nice comfy seat. A jolly good way of seeing a fair few places and things; nothing on the ones down at the British Museum, to be sure, but a big feather in the cap of Ashford nonetheless. Ours has over twelve hundred reels last time I read into it.” Simon eyed off the elf’s apple tart as he waxed rhapsodical.
“Where is the museum?”
“Just across the other side of the square, back behind the village hall and the church. It is supposed to be closed until after lunch, but tell old Coriander that I sent you; it should be relatively clear at this time of day what with the parade and the tanks distracting the children.”
Sam nodded his thanks to Bailey and Saethrian, who were already beginning an animated conversation on gardening; he had no wish to get involved in such a thorny topic. Wending his way out of the tearoom and the village square, he was struck by how it literally hummed with activity. Children ran about, laughing and shrieking whilst thoroughly absorbed in the games, watched on by genially smiling clusters of men and women and more than a few uniformed soldiers. The pubs, the village hall and the Women’s Institute saw a steady stream of customers bustling in and out and several colourful stalls had been set up offering further refreshments, informative pamphlets and small curios. A pair of armoured personnel carriers parked in opposite corners were being subjected to fascinated examination as their crews showed off their small arms and machine guns.
Down a small cobbled lane that ran beside the church wall was a neat whitewashed building with a thatched roof. A carefully hand-painted sign indicated that this was indeed the Ashford Museum. Shuffling around inside was a gruff old man in a brown suit who grumbled to himself as he dusted shelves of huge books and weird paraphenalia. Behind him, Sam could see a battered suit of armour, several aged oil paintings, some strange agricultural machinery inside a glass case, a glowing golden stone on a plinth and a collection of earthenware pottery. He must have bumped the doorframe or scuffed his shoe on the footpath, as the old fellow turned around to face him, revealing a quite ferocious array of bristling white whiskers and wild, deep blue eyes behind his thick spectacles.
“Can I help you, young man?” he spoke in a deep voice.
“Good morning, Mr. Coriander, is it?”
“One and the same, sirrah. What can I do for you? We’re not actually open until later.”
“Simon Bailey sent me. I was wondering if I could take a look at your Librarium?”
“Bailey, eh? I see. Well, don’t stand there blocking my light all day, man, come on in. Follow me through to the viewing chamber.” Coriander did not even bother to see if Sam had heeded him as he hurried through the crowded front room of the museum, taking care to balance a delicately painted Chinese porcelain vase that was teetering on the edge of one shelf as he went. Sam followed quickly, barely having time to catch sight of a curious painting showing a large, white-haired and bearded warrior wielding a double-headed battleaxe and standing atop the walls of an incredibly huge fortress. It seemed familiar, but he couldn’t quite tell which legend it depicted.
Opening a ironbound door, Coriander revealed a small room dominated by a bizarre spherical contraption that bore a strong resemblance to the illegitimate child of Rod Taylor’s time machine and the Vostok 1 spacecraft. It was all highly engraved shining brass teased with strands of silvery wire and tubing and a single large hatch was open to display a plush red leather interior. Large screens were mounted on every wall and the roof as well and two control sticks stuck up on either side of the chair.
“Well, hop right in and I’ll seal you up. Follow the instructions as they come up – it’s child’s play really.”
Sam clambered into the Librarium and tried to make himself comfortable, which wasn’t too hard as he sank down into the deeply cushioned warm depths of the chair. The door clanged shut and there was a whirring of gears as it slowly sputtered into life and seemed to lurch upwards with a frightening intensity. Where there were once black screens, there was now a display of open blue skies, the church spire and tall tree tops – for all intents and purposes, Sam now seemed to be hovering up above the museum in midair!
“Welcome to the Model 59 Armstrong-Whitworth Supermantic Centrifugal Librarium! Guaranteed to give you hours of the finest simulated travel and information that technographic arcanery can supply! To begin your amazing journey of knowledge, press the ‘Selection’ widget on your right knobkerrie!” A disembodied voice enthusiastically instructed him in a gloriously plummy accent. He did as it suggested and now a glowing typewriter rose up from the floor to sit before him.
“Enter your inquiry and press the ‘Initiate’ widget on your left knobkerrie.”
He had given some thought to his potential choices on the way over – he had seen much of the military so far today and had had a good exposure to the charmingly bucolic rhythms of rural life. The television and newspapers had played their part, but were slightly too propagandistic for his tastes. Now, inspired by some of tantalizing references Bailey had made since his arrival, he wanted to see the real face of the nation. With exacting care, he typed in BRITISH INDUSTRY and pressed the appropriate widget.
There was an incredible lurch as he rocketed high up into the air and sped northward at a tremendous pace. As he seemed to fly through the air, although he was fairly certain that in some way he was still firmly ensconced in the backroom of a quaint village museum, his senses were rippling with a new and heightened perception. His first destination was Birmingham and Coventry, where he saw vast industrial complexes, sprawling factories, hulking power stations puffing out black smoke and masses of workers pouring out onto the streets at the end of a shift. He flew through the roofs of aircraft and car manufacturing plants and hovered over long mechanised assembly lines humming with the activity of workers and steam-powered robots.
Now onwards he went, flitting about over and through the realm. In Sheffield, Leeds and Yorkshire, he saw mighty steel mills, expansive tank plants and vast chemical refineries that dwarfed anything he had thought possible and marveled at a proudly labeled 100,000t superheavy forging press. In Manchester, Liverpool and Lancashire, dozens upon dozens of textile mills clawed up at the blue-grey sky, seeming neither dark nor satanic. In the shipyards of Glasgow, Belfast and Newcastle, multitudes of vessels of war and peace and great oil rigs grew up under swarming armies of welders, including a pair of gigantic battleships having some of their main guns installed by titanic cranes that soared hundreds of feet into the air. He flew high above the country until the trains crisscrossing the network of railways below, conveniently marked out with glowing blue lines, were like so many rushing insects. He dove under the earth and saw the deep coal mines that stretched thousands of feet down into the subterranean darkness and the endless loads of black gold hewn out by men and dwarves.
Just as the Librarium was about to curve around to the east from its position over Bristol and the most impressive Severn Barrage, he ended the journey with another push of the button. There was much to take in from what he had seen, much indeed, but there was also an unnerving disquiet that made him shy away from the prospect of seeing his home city, or what passed for its equivalent in this dimension. The time for that would come, he decided.
London could wait.
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Post by stevep on Aug 5, 2018 9:33:01 GMT
Some notes to Parts 11 and 12: - There is still a fair bit left to play out before any union between the Netherlands and Belgium, so Simon may be a little precipitous in his analysis. - France is playing a long game with regard to the European balance of power. - There is something of a different evolution of Western Christianity, reflecting some interesting developments in the Middle Ages and Early Modern Period. - The Jerusalem Regiment is a multinational unit responsible for general security of the Holy City and other sites in conjunction with the Templars, Sikh Division and others; this reflects a different Middle Eastern environment detailed in the 1947 thread. - Professional sport is still looked down upon in Britain; in this sense, cultural developments are running perhaps 15 years behind Earth. - Sport is valued, but isn't seen as a viable career. - Sam's characterisation is quite right, but he has it somewhat around the wrong way. Britain and to varying extents other Dark Earth European states still have their prewar attitudes to patriotism and nationalism, which approach the jingoistic in some cases. They are like the Americans he knows, as that is what he associates with more assertive nationalism. - This Wonderful World was a historical television series. - The film is fictional, taking its name from 'The Lion Has Wings'. Ash Silver is a 'real' pilot featured in The Red Shadow, which is being edited. - The planes are all rather different. The Spectre is based on a plane from Project Cancelled (DH.127) that fills a similar niche to the F-4 Phantom, but mainly operates as a fighter bomber. - Sam dreams of being chased by a terrifying vampire duck for some interesting reasons. - A gypsy wagon with an ankh is a reference to the Ultima computer gene series and will feature again soon. - General life expectancy seems to be longer and more veterans seem to have lasted longer. - The war memorial reflects a different view of the wars of the 20th century; one of remembrance, but also of pride in victory. The Great War in particular is seen in popular culture as a clear and worthwhile victory rather than a waste of life. The sermon also shows evidence of a much more Muscular Christianity. - The asforht is the magical stone of non-detection given to Sam earlier. - Overlord is a subject that will have a storyline all of its own. In brief, taking Caen on the first day/fulfilling Monty's original plan will have consequences and the double blow of Anvil is quite effective, at least to begin with. - The White Paper had a few hidden surprises, but the offhand references to the Atlantic Alliance will be causing a lot of interest around the world. Note that it comes out directly following a major superpower summit that is seen as successful; there are hints that the Soviets have been apprised of the plans...but what is the cost or trade off? - Sam's mention of NATO could have some interesting affects... - Behind the scenes,the Soviets have nominally acquiesced to Atlantic Alliance/NATO* troops in Germany and Austria-Hungary for perhaps half a dozen reasons. Two of these are free naval movement through the Straits from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean in peacetime and to break apart France from the Americans and British over the anvil of Germany. As more details come out, it will reveal a division based limitation, which the West will handle in some innovative ways. - Meanwhile, Germany and Austria-Hungary are quietly relieved that they don't have to go through with full scale military build ups on their own.
Glad you mentioned this as I had somehow missed chapter 11! Think I was busy replying to an earlier post and that came out just after chapter 11. Was puzzled about some of the things you mentioned but see now.
Well that's bad for the development of professional sport, although if its the same elsewhere it could balance out. OTL at this point the maximum wage was still in place for footballers so most players, even in the 1st division were on only about average income or below and sometimes had other jobs.
Not familiar with the Ultima game, although think I've heard of it so means nothing I'm afraid.
So Sam has a degree of magic protection against being detected, which is another hint that other groups will be hunting for him. Had forgotten about that so wondering if that might explain those yanks turning up at the end of the parade and Simon's surprise at their there so quickly? Or that's something totally different. The mage does seem to be rather upset about him having it but whether that's because he 'possesses' the item or simply because no one informed him I don't know. - Edit - Well that's that explained. They were sniffing after Sam.
That is a much larger Overlord, although possibly fits in with the markedly larger states and populations. Surprising they were attack Cherbourg on the 1st day but if they did manager to take it relatively quickly and link up with the other landings it would reduce the need for the Mulberries if they existed in TTL.
If does sound rather like the French might have shot themselves in the foot if Britain and the US have sorted out a defensive alliance with the two large central European states and their been left isolated. Although possibly does raise the question of the status of Italy as well. Germany and Austria may be happy to have an alliance with two great/superpowers but it does rule out neutrality and put them in the front line in another war, which would depend on how likely they view Soviet aggression as to whether that's a benefit or a problem [the alliance that is]. Although such a combination could make the forthcoming Dutch/Belgium union more fearful of the allies and hence prone to neutrality and friendship with the French. Sounds like there's a lot of balls in the air here and where they end up falling could vary things a lot.
Anyway thanks again for that. Now to catch up on the new stuff.
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Post by stevep on Aug 5, 2018 10:30:45 GMT
Replying to Chapter 13.
Interesting developments. Would that Italian fellow Saethrian went to sea with be a Mr Cabot? Was thinking of another one initially but Cabot probably makes more sense. Unless Columbus ended up sailing for Henry VII.
I have very little doubt that Saethrian has a very good idea who Sam is and where he's from.
Very good point about the difficulties of the new alliance. I can't see any way either this Britain or the US is going to be happy with leadership by the other so things are probably going to be parcelled out carefully. Nuclear forces especially are probably going to stay under national control but with some consultation about their use. However control of the Atlantic and the GF would be something Britain especially would value very highly while the assorted dominion and imperial forces are possibly going to be even more unhappy about possibly coming under American control. Going to be a tough circle to square.
Limitations on allied forces in Germany and Austria probably work quite well for all concerned. Not enough that the Soviets, other than at their most paranoid, feel threatened but enough that there is some deterrent against an attack to 'liberate' either country into communism. At the same time smaller forces save on money and also mean the Germans and Austrians are maintaining smaller forces than if they were without allies. Which both saves them money and makes their neighbours a lot happier.
" barely having time to catch sight of a curious painting showing a large, white-haired and bearded warrior wielding a double-headed battleaxe and standing atop the walls of an incredibly huge fortress." Makes me think of Druss the elderly warrior defending Dros Delnoch in David Gemmell's novel Legend. [Had to check Wiki to get some of the details as so long since I read it. Used to love his Drenai series but he never really completed it moving on to other series.
Empire Socialism is an interesting idea. Sounds rather like a version of the sort of situation Bismarck set up in early imperial Germany with good social, educational and economic benefits for the workers in return for them buying into the established order. Given the degree to which Britain is militrarised already, even with the larger resources and the assistance of the dominions and empire Barton's plans do sound rather more than would be practical in terms of military spending. Seems like Labour has replaced the Liberals as the main opposition to the Tories.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 5, 2018 12:38:49 GMT
Steve, thanks for the detailed and comprehensive responses once again. A lot of great opportunities to expand upon here. I'll combine both posts into an omnibus reply:
1.) Professional sport still exists and there is a gradual move towards it, but there is an element of looking down upon it as somewhat distasteful from certain social classes. Football and rugby clubs get around this through various forms of boot money, convoluted payments, endorsements and other such bits and pieces.
2.) Ultima reference: At the beginning of many of the games, Ultima IV in particular, a player would enter a gypsy caravan marked with an ankh and answer questions about philosophy that would determine their character class and attributes, after which time they would be transported to the fictional kingdom via a glowing teleportation gate. Here there is a suggestion that Sam will have to answer some questions that will determine what impact he makes on this world and on his own life; the glowing blue door in this case is a reference to a certain police box door.
3.) The Americans were one of many groups sent to snoop around the general area, without knowing specifically what they were after or where they were. The energy spike of Sam's journey was clearly noticed by a lot of different parties who are intrigued and mystified, a bit like the Vela Incident. The US personnel are also present for a more prosaic reason as they will be moving back into bases in England as part of the renewed Atlantic Alliance.
4.) Our friendly neighbourhood wizard doesn't want the asforht, but notices it straightaway and is rather intrigued as to why a young man from the other side of the world would have such a rare and highly valuable state item.
5.) It was a larger Overlord and very ambitious, but reflects the strategic vision of going in hard and with maximum power to crack through the Atlantic Wall and get a defensible beachhead in Occupied Europe.
The 1st United States Army (5 assault divisions) landed between Valognes on the Cotentin Peninsula and Bayeux. The 2nd British Army (4 divisions) landed between Bayeux and Deauville in Normandy. The 2nd French Infantry Division landed near Bayeux, and were to advance to liberate the town, supported by Canadian and French airborne forces.
Six British, Canadian, French and American airborne divisions were dropped to secure the flanks of the advance and at Bayeux to secure this key linking point of the Allied assault. Finally, the Royal Marines were to land forces on either side of Cherbourg, supported by reinforced brigades of the Royal Canadian Marines and French Foreign Legion and pin down the German garrison in conjunction with the Allied navies.
6.) The initial French gambit with Benelux played out in parallel to the Anglo-American efforts at rapprochment. They are to be a part of the Atlantic Alliance (a bit of a cumbersome title; Bailey's approval of the term 'NATO' could come to something...) along with the other free European states, but they are going to be making strong efforts to assert their control and influence over its operations, scope and direction.
7.) Germany and Austria-Hungary had been quite upset with the rupture in the Western alliance, so greet any renewal as a welcome step. They simply can't afford the forces necessary to counter the Red Army off their own bat and having the Americans, British and French onboard gives them a triple layered nuclear guarantee. This does reflect one of the reasons that a new agreement was reached - to prevent the Germans from going nuclear, which would be very, very complicated.
8.) The Benelux states already represent a goodly sized bloc with a high degree of capability and influence. Once their ties are cemented further, they would comprise another piece in the European power puzzle and within the broader Western alliance. If they swing French, then Britain needs to bring them back to their general alignment, as well as developing closer ties with Germany. The French response may then involve Italy, Spain or even Austria, leading to further wheels within wheels.
9.)Saethrian did go to sea with Cabot. Good catch! He has strong suspicions that Sam isn't who he claims to be, but knows enough about Bailey and his work that he doesn't voice them.
10.) There will have to be a rather convoluted command arrangement based on a US overall commander in Europe, a British commander in the Mediterranean and a division of the Atlantic into two commands. Canada would be responsible for the Northwest Atlantic as in WW2. Strategic nuclear forces would remain separate, but both would commit certain strategic assets in the manner done with 400 Poseidon warheads by the USA historically.
11.) Atlantic Alliance politics certainly are a tangled web indeed. The general force level in Germany that it will move towards in peacetime is 6 British/Canadian, 6 American, 6 Benelux and 6 French divisions, in addition to the 32 divisions of the German Army. The Soviets have the equivalent of 56 divisions in Poland and the GDR/Prussia, which provides for an even arrangement; the 45 divisions in the Kiev, Belorussian and Carpathian Military Districts are counted separately even though they are all incorporated under the Western Theatre command. - The Soviet threat extends from the North Cape to the Balkans and it is not possible for any one power (USA, Britain, France or Germany) to cover this threat. - The general proposed division of forces is into 3 main regions: Allied Forces North (Scandinavia and the Baltic), Allied Forces Central Europe (Germany, Ruritania and Austria-Hungary) and Allied Forces South (the Balkan Pact states of Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Greece). - AFCENT would be split up into three geographic army groups: NORTHAG (consisting of the 1st and 2nd German Armies, the British Army of the Rhine and the Benelux Army), CENTAG (3rd and 4th German Armies, Seventh US Army and the 1st Austro-Hungarian Army) and SOUTHAG (2nd AH, US VIII Corps and Italian/Iberian forces). This is still the subject of considerable negotiation. - Each of the army groups would be supported by two Allied Tactical Air Forces of 800+ aircraft each. - NORTHAG covers Northern Germany from the Baltic to Dresden; CENTAG covers Central Germany and Bohemia from Dresden to Brno; and SOUTHAG Bohemia, Slovakia and Hungary. This is a far longer and more difficult proposition than Germany alone. - Denmark/the Baltic Approaches are a specific sub command of Allied Forces North. Scandinavia is a different theatre with Sweden in from the start, complicated by their A-bomb. Italy isn't a frontline state, but their military is regarded with a fair bit more respect due to different experiences in the world wars. - The Canadian Corps would deploy with the BAOR along with RCAFE. The Free Polish Army may also end up forward deployed, but that would be a very controversial political question. France can't commit its whole strength due to deployments in Algeria and South Vietnam
12.) Druss is exactly right. David Gemmell was a terrific author and Legend one of my favourite books.
13.) Empire Socialism does reflect some of the different trends in Western European politics and socialism, particularly in Britain. More on it will follow. Barton's plan is quite ambitious and in many ways is largely rhetorical; his main area of difference is in regard to the light ASW carriers. Like many Opposition leaders, he can afford to be relatively expansive in detail fairly far out from an election, with the actual manifesto likely to be more realistic.
14.) Labour is on the way to eclipsing the Liberals in several areas, but they retain a solid core of support in their traditional heartlands. The most likely result in 1964 is a Labour-Liberal coalition dominated by the former.
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Post by stevep on Aug 5, 2018 14:07:43 GMT
Steve, thanks for the detailed and comprehensive responses once again. A lot of great opportunities to expand upon here. I'll combine both posts into an omnibus reply: 1.) Professional sport still exists and there is a gradual move towards it, but there is an element of looking down upon it as somewhat distasteful from certain social classes. Football and rugby clubs get around this through various forms of boot money, convoluted payments, endorsements and other such bits and pieces. 2.) Ultima reference: At the beginning of many of the games, Ultima IV in particular, a player would enter a gypsy caravan marked with an ankh and answer questions about philosophy that would determine their character class and attributes, after which time they would be transported to the fictional kingdom via a glowing teleportation gate. Here there is a suggestion that Sam will have to answer some questions that will determine what impact he makes on this world and on his own life; the glowing blue door in this case is a reference to a certain police box door. 3.) The Americans were one of many groups sent to snoop around the general area, without knowing specifically what they were after or where they were. The energy spike of Sam's journey was clearly noticed by a lot of different parties who are intrigued and mystified, a bit like the Vela Incident. The US personnel are also present for a more prosaic reason as they will be moving back into bases in England as part of the renewed Atlantic Alliance. 4.) Our friendly neighbourhood wizard doesn't want the asforht, but notices it straightaway and is rather intrigued as to why a young man from the other side of the world would have such a rare and highly valuable state item. 5.) It was a larger Overlord and very ambitious, but reflects the strategic vision of going in hard and with maximum power to crack through the Atlantic Wall and get a defensible beachhead in Occupied Europe. The 1st United States Army (5 assault divisions) landed between Valognes on the Cotentin Peninsula and Bayeux. The 2nd British Army (4 divisions) landed between Bayeux and Deauville in Normandy. The 2nd French Infantry Division landed near Bayeux, and were to advance to liberate the town, supported by Canadian and French airborne forces. Six British, Canadian, French and American airborne divisions were dropped to secure the flanks of the advance and at Bayeux to secure this key linking point of the Allied assault. Finally, the Royal Marines were to land forces on either side of Cherbourg, supported by reinforced brigades of the Royal Canadian Marines and French Foreign Legion and pin down the German garrison in conjunction with the Allied navies. 6.) The initial French gambit with Benelux played out in parallel to the Anglo-American efforts at rapprochment. They are to be a part of the Atlantic Alliance (a bit of a cumbersome title; Bailey's approval of the term 'NATO' could come to something...) along with the other free European states, but they are going to be making strong efforts to assert their control and influence over its operations, scope and direction. 7.) Germany and Austria-Hungary had been quite upset with the rupture in the Western alliance, so greet any renewal as a welcome step. They simply can't afford the forces necessary to counter the Red Army off their own bat and having the Americans, British and French onboard gives them a triple layered nuclear guarantee. This does reflect one of the reasons that a new agreement was reached - to prevent the Germans from going nuclear, which would be very, very complicated. 8.) The Benelux states already represent a goodly sized bloc with a high degree of capability and influence. Once their ties are cemented further, they would comprise another piece in the European power puzzle and within the broader Western alliance. If they swing French, then Britain needs to bring them back to their general alignment, as well as developing closer ties with Germany. The French response may then involve Italy, Spain or even Austria, leading to further wheels within wheels. 9.)Saethrian did go to sea with Cabot. Good catch! He has strong suspicions that Sam isn't who he claims to be, but knows enough about Bailey and his work that he doesn't voice them. 10.) There will have to be a rather convoluted command arrangement based on a US overall commander in Europe, a British commander in the Mediterranean and a division of the Atlantic into two commands. Canada would be responsible for the Northwest Atlantic as in WW2. Strategic nuclear forces would remain separate, but both would commit certain strategic assets in the manner done with 400 Poseidon warheads by the USA historically. 11.) Atlantic Alliance politics certainly are a tangled web indeed. The general force level in Germany that it will move towards in peacetime is 6 British/Canadian, 6 American, 6 Benelux and 6 French divisions, in addition to the 32 divisions of the German Army. The Soviets have the equivalent of 56 divisions in Poland and the GDR/Prussia, which provides for an even arrangement; the 45 divisions in the Kiev, Belorussian and Carpathian Military Districts are counted separately even though they are all incorporated under the Western Theatre command. - The Soviet threat extends from the North Cape to the Balkans and it is not possible for any one power (USA, Britain, France or Germany) to cover this threat. - The general proposed division of forces is into 3 main regions: Allied Forces North (Scandinavia and the Baltic), Allied Forces Central Europe (Germany, Ruritania and Austria-Hungary) and Allied Forces South (the Balkan Pact states of Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Greece). - AFCENT would be split up into three geographic army groups: NORTHAG (consisting of the 1st and 2nd German Armies, the British Army of the Rhine and the Benelux Army), CENTAG (3rd and 4th German Armies, Seventh US Army and the 1st Austro-Hungarian Army) and SOUTHAG (2nd AH, US VIII Corps and Italian/Iberian forces). This is still the subject of considerable negotiation. - Each of the army groups would be supported by two Allied Tactical Air Forces of 800+ aircraft each. - NORTHAG covers Northern Germany from the Baltic to Dresden; CENTAG covers Central Germany and Bohemia from Dresden to Brno; and SOUTHAG Bohemia, Slovakia and Hungary. This is a far longer and more difficult proposition than Germany alone. - Denmark/the Baltic Approaches are a specific sub command of Allied Forces North. Scandinavia is a different theatre with Sweden in from the start, complicated by their A-bomb. Italy isn't a frontline state, but their military is regarded with a fair bit more respect due to different experiences in the world wars. - The Canadian Corps would deploy with the BAOR along with RCAFE. The Free Polish Army may also end up forward deployed, but that would be a very controversial political question. France can't commit its whole strength due to deployments in Algeria and South Vietnam 12.) Druss is exactly right. David Gemmell was a terrific author and Legend one of my favourite books. 13.) Empire Socialism does reflect some of the different trends in Western European politics and socialism, particularly in Britain. More on it will follow. Barton's plan is quite ambitious and in many ways is largely rhetorical; his main area of difference is in regard to the light ASW carriers. Like many Opposition leaders, he can afford to be relatively expansive in detail fairly far out from an election, with the actual manifesto likely to be more realistic. 14.) Labour is on the way to eclipsing the Liberals in several areas, but they retain a solid core of support in their traditional heartlands. The most likely result in 1964 is a Labour-Liberal coalition dominated by the former.
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Many thanks for the detailed reply. That does sound like the western powers will have something approaching equality in the front line border areas compared to the Soviets, although both sides will have more forces further back. Did you mean 32 divisions for Germany or for Germany and Austria-Hungrary combined as probably the latter could arrange a similar number of units to Germany?
In TTL the western powers have a significantly better ratio of population because they have OTL E Germany, Czech republic, Austria [OTL neutral], Hungary, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, a larger Greece and in the north a powerful Sweden involves whereas the Soviets have lost many of the above so a lot more depends on the core Slavic populations of Russia to make up the difference. Could see the latter buckling under the pressure significantly earlier than OTL I suspect. [In fact beginning to wonder whether that is what the 1961 story with Sam and Simon may be about].
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 5, 2018 14:34:07 GMT
You're quite welcome Steve.
Their nominal numbers will be in the same region as the Soviets, but the latter have the ability to effectively double their forces with the units in the Western USSR. In addition, there are the satellite state forces, the largest of which is the Polish Army, which has 24 regular and 12 reserve divisions.
The German Army has 32 regular divisions, organised in two field armies of 12 divisions each, 4 divisions in strategic reserve, 2 divisions in Schleswig-Holstein and 2 in the Alpenkorps in Austria-Hungary. This has expanded from the initial intended strength of 24 divisions since the mid 1950s; with Allied commitment, the Germans may see it fit to reduce the numbers of Jager divisions.
The population situation is weighted in favour of the West. The Soviets do have the larger Eastern European population states pf Romania and Poland, but the lack of the Danube basin does detract from their industrial capacity and many other areas. You are right that something has got to give in favour of the Soviets in order for them to stay in the game.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 5, 2018 14:54:53 GMT
1961 Defence White Paper
1. Introduction Britain's defence policy requires substantial revision to respond to current and emerging threats and developments with flexibility. This is a necessity on economic, international, military and technological grounds.
2. Effect on Economy (a) The British Empire’s security and position as a world superpower are dependent on the continued strength of her economy and industry and the maintenance of a primary role in world trade. The relationship between economic and military power is a symbiotic one and neither can survive without the other. A strong defence requires a prosperous country with a sound financial position. (b) Presently, a fifth of the nation’s science and engineering graduates, and approximately 5 per cent of the working population are engaged in defence-related employment. The medium and long term strength of the British economy would be improved by a gradual reduction of this proportion. (c) British exports remain competitive in a large number of overseas markets and the system of Imperial Preference supplies considerable strength to the sterling zone, but the medium and long term health of industry would benefit from modernisation and the greater availability of capital. The productive capacity of Britain will need to expand over the course of the 1960s to maintain current growth and prosperity and it is a direct necessity that defence expenditure be reduced as a portion of national spending to a sustainable level to support this objective.
3. Scientific Advances (a) The advance in military technology since 1945 has been dramatic and the introduction of new and terrible weapons has proceeded at a great pace. (b) Hydrogen bombs and intercontinental rockets capable of ranges of up to 10,000 miles have revolutionised modern warfare and fundamentally altered the basis of global strategy. (c) Parallel with this, the evolution of guided missiles has provided the means of defence against both rocket attacks and the bomber. The introduction of anti-ballistic rockets will occur before the decade is out and sensational advances in the development of heat rays provide further prospects for the strengthening of strategic defence. (d) Significant advantages lie in the assertion of control of the high ground of near Earth space, which brings with it complex issues of expense, international relations and technological challenges.
4. Military Alliances (a)The problem of defence has been complicated by ongoing tensions in Europe and the Far East and the post-1956 security situation in the Middle East. Weighed against this is the improved situation in Western Europe thanks to the expansion and renewal of the Atlantic Alliance. (b) The effect of these international developments is that Britain can rely on the guaranteed support of allied countries in Europe, the Middle East, and, as such, need not be prepared to fight and win a major war relying on the resources of the Commonwealth and Empire alone. In determining the necessary size and composition of the armed forces, this face must lie at the centre of calculations.
5. Long-Term Planning (a) A consistent approach to defence policy is required to provide long-term stability and maximal efficiency. (b) The rapidity of scientific change and the unpredictable nature of international relations make it extremely difficult to accurately forecast future military requirements with great certainty, but it is necessary to maintain a flexible structure for long-term planning and preparation. (c) This fundamental objective of this long-term plan should be the provision of the most modern and effective weapons for the armed forces whilst operating within the scope of our means.
6. Tasks of Armed Forces (a) The global strategy for the defence of the British Empire must be based on a clear definition of the military tasks and missions it involved. It is founded on the interlinked considerations of national and Imperial security, as the safety and success of Britain is indissolubly involved with those of the Commonwealth realms and the Empire. (b) Britain’s armed forces have three principal roles: (i) to prevent war and resist aggression alone or in conjunction with other powers; (ii) to defend, and preserve order in, British crown colonies and protected territories; and (iii) to take action to protect British interests around the world. (c) Britain requires forces which are self-sufficient and well-balanced to successfully carry out these tasks.
7. Nuclear Deterrent (a) The aircraft, rockets and surface to air guided weapons of Fighter Command of the Royal Air Force would, in the event of a war with Russia, be able to inflict devastating losses on Soviet bombers, although a small proportion may penetrate some of the multiple layers of defence. The consequences of even half a dozen aircraft succeeding in striking Britain with hydrogen bombs would inflict extensive destruction, making the issue of maximising defensive capability and firepower a vital one. Modernisation of the fighter force and its weaponry are of paramount importance in the provision of an effective air defence of Great Britain. (b) Equally, the prevention of war through strategic deterrence is a key tenet of military policy and the best means of preventing nuclear aggression is the possession of the means of swift and certain retaliation. (c) British and Commonwealth nuclear power stands as one of the key guarantors of the protection of the free world and will continue to grow in response to the threats that are faced. (d) The British atomic arsenal is centred on the megaton weapons delivered by the strategic V-bombers, guided missiles and ballistic rockets of RAF Bomber Command and the Royal Navy. Joint fielding of the Blue Streak intercontinental missile by the Commonwealth Dominions provides an additional level of deterrence and strategic protection.
8. Defence of Deterrent (a) Maintenance of peace depends on the protection of the strategic and rocket bases and it is vital that any potential aggressor could not damage or knock them out. The defence of great cities against nuclear attack is at this time limited, but the protection of smaller targets such as airfields is considerably more comprehensive. The fighter defences of Great Britain currently have the ability to engage and interfere with enemy bombers sufficiently for the short time necessary for the launch of the retaliatory force. (b) The Government have consequently given the modernisation of the air defence of the nuclear deterrent the highest level of priority, followed by the fielding of fighter forces for the protection of urban centres and industrial targets. Increased numbers of guided missile systems are to be deployed for the protection of these targets in such an order of priority. (c) Parallel research and development work on anti-ballistic missile defences has also been accorded increased priority in the light of emerging threats from foreign powers.
9. Forces in Europe (a) The prospect of atomic retaliation cannot prevent war without the accompanying capacity to react to threats and provocations with appropriate conventional forces and the protection of British frontiers and those of the entire free world is a mission of fundamental importance. Deterrence must include the strategic, tactical and conventional levels to be credible. (b) This defence must be sufficiently powerful to engage aggression with the aid of the Commonwealth and Empire, backed by the ultimate retaliatory capacity of nuclear weapons possessed by Britain and its allies. (c) Britain, by virtue of her size and industrial and economic strength, must provide a large share of the armed forces required in these contingencies. However, this cannot be a disproportionately large contribution in every aspect. The defence expenditure of this country as a portion of national income remains higher than other individual states of comparable size and measures must be taken to control the growth of this spending. (d) These measures of economy must not detract from the ability of the armed forces of the British Empire to carry out defensive operations throughout the world, to confront aggression wherever it threatens British possessions, allies and interests and to preserve the balance of power. (e) Her Majesty’s Government have therefore decided, after due consultation with the governments of allied powers and the Commonwealth dominions, to re-establish the British Army of the Rhine to control forward deployed land forces in France, Germany and the Low Countries and to reinforce this current contingent by a further 55,000 personnel to a strength of 125,000, organised in four divisions . The firepower of this force will be greatly augmented by guided missile artillery and long range rockets. It is to operate alongside Commonwealth contingents under the command of the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe. (f) The First and Second Tactical Air Forces will be deployed to the Continent under the operational control of a new command, Royal Air Force Germany. Their total numbers of aircraft will be slightly reduced to 1000 aircraft as newer tactical aircraft replaced older types. The Light Bomber Force in England will be assigned to the control of the headquarters of the Supreme Allied Commander Europe. (g) These forces will be reinforced in the event of conflict by the eight regular divisions of the British First Army and the twelve Territorial Army divisions of the Second Army. The remaining forces of the Territorial Army will be assigned to home defence and will be trained and equipped for that primary purpose. (h) Additional home based rapid deployment forces will be assigned to a new British Mobile Force command for the reinforcement of Northern and Southern Europe.
10. Middle East (a) Outside of the European, Atlantic and Mediterranean theatres, Britain’s most vital interests lie in three other theatres, the Middle East, India and the Orient. The former is vitally important due to the presence of the main artery of the British Empire at Suez and as the gateway to the African continent. (b) In the Middle East, Britain has three major commitments. The first is in Egypt, where forces of the British Army and Royal Air Force are based for the protection of the Suez Canal and Nile Delta under the Anglo-Egyptian Treaty. They are supported by naval vessels of the Royal Navy Mediterranean Fleet and forward deployed strategic bombers of RAF Bomber Command. The vital importance of Egypt to the global strategy of the British Empire makes any reduction in forces impossible at this time. (c) The second is in the Arabian Peninsula, where British sea, land and air forces are maintained for the defence of Aden, Kuwait and the protected states on the Persian Gulf. (d) Britain’s membership of the Baghdad Pact gives her an obligation to co-operate in the defence of the other signatory states from external aggression and Communist encroachment and subversion. In the event of crisis, all British forces in the area would be made available to support the alliance. They would consist of regional garrisons, the Arab Legion and medium and heavy bomber squadrons capable of delivering a devastating counter-blow with atomic bombs. (e) The Commonwealth Middle East Strategic Reserve in Egypt and the Israeli Armed Forces act to support these deployments in peacetime.
11. India (a) Britain contributes land, sea and air forces to the defence of India and this will continue following full Indian independence in 1965. The strength of the British Army in India will be reduced from 89,000 to 64,000 by this date. (b) RAF India will be reduced to approximately 200 aircraft as the capabilities and size of the Royal Indian Air Force rise.
12. Orient (a) In the Far East, apart from her responsibility for the defence and security of her colonies, Britain has an international commitment as a member of Pacific Treaty Organisation to maintain stability and defend against the extension of Communist power in Asia. (b) British land forces maintained in this theatre consist of the two divisions of Far East Command and the Commonwealth Far Eastern Strategic Reserve in Malaya, the garrisons of Hong Kong and Borneo, the Royal Marine brigade in Japan and the United Kingdom contribution of three battalions to the Commonwealth Division in Korea. Substantial naval and air forces in the form of the Far East Fleet and Far East Air Force will also be maintained there. (c) Contributions from India, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and New Avalon provide an increasing share of forces for the defence of this vital area.
13. Imperial Garrisons (a) Britain has the responsibility for providing numerous garrisons for her colonies and protected territories. This is making considerable demands on military manpower. (b) In some circumstances where threats are low, these forces can be reduced. Colonial forces are playing an increasingly greater role in the provision of internal security and can be reinforced rapidly in the event of an emergency.
14. Imperial Strategic Reserve (a) Maintenance of a strong, effective Imperial Strategic Reserve in Britain enables reinforcements to be despatched to any location in the world on short notice. (b) An extensive fleet of long range transport aircraft is operated by R.A.F. Transport Command to give the Imperial Strategic Reserve the means of rapid mobility. It is composed mainly of Voyagers, Belfasts, Britannias and Ashtons. Service transport aeroplanes can be supplemented, when necessary, by appropriate civil aircraft of Imperial Airways and the East India Company. (c) Naval resources in the form of Atlantic transport aircraft and Princess and Duchess flying boats are also essential for this purpose.
15. Naval Power (a) Due to its size and mobility, the Royal Navy can rapidly bring sea power, air power and Royal Marine forces to bear in peacetime and hostilities. As new, long range naval strike aircraft and missile enter service, the role of the aircraft carrier and battleship becomes increasingly significant. (b) The main striking power of the Royal Navy is currently based around aircraft carrier groups and the battlefleet, supported by smaller cruisers and destroyers. Two further atomic powered carriers are to be ordered to replace the five oldest carriers currently in service, the Illustrious class, which are to be decommissioned by 1964. The Malta class carriers will be reconstructed to operate a full range of modern strike aircraft and the ten current light aircraft carriers are to be decommissioned and replaced by a new class of light anti-submarine warfare carriers to enter service in the latter half of the decade. (c) Upon the commissioning of the atomic-powered guided missile super battleship HMS Queen Elizabeth, two battleships will be placed in reserve. (d) Orders for further Leander and County class guided missile cruisers and battlecruisers are to be placed as the numbers of older cruisers are reduced. The remaining Town, Crown Colony and Dido class cruisers are to be retired in the next five years and the four pocket battleships now in reserve are to be sold. Reductions are also to be made in the various classes of smaller escorts. (e) The role of naval forces in total war is a major one, as ballistic missile submarines, battleships and carrier aircraft play a substantial role in the strategic nuclear deterrent and naval operations to neutralize enemy counterpart forces are essential to an effective national defence. Russia’s large fleet of oceanic submarines represent a formidable threat to control of the seas and protection of the British Empire’s Atlantic and Mediterranean life-lines. Should any war be protracted, the Royal Navy will prove to be this country’s most important weapon. (f) The strength of the Royal Marines is to be fixed at 165,000 personnel. The amphibious fleet will be modernised and older warbuilt vessels replaced with smaller numbers of more effective ships.
16. Civil Defence (a) Passive preparations for the danger of nuclear war must naturally take second place to active measures of prevention, but plans for the protection and survival of organised society are to be expanded. (b) Civil defence services are to be maintained and the important work of strengthening vital communications will continue with great priority.
17. Reduction in the Size of Forces (a) As Britain’s armed forces assume new roles, it will be important to reduce those elements which do not contribute directly to fighting strength and capacity. (b) This is to be accompanied by a reduction in the size of military and civilian staffs and an intense drive to reduce administrative overheads within the Service Departments and Ministry of Supply. Duplication between the forces is to be cut where unnecessary. (c) Civilianisation of the establishments of the Service Departments is to be emphasised wherever possible to reduce the number of uniformed personnel engaged in such duties as store-keeping, accounting, catering and maintenance. (d) Regular forces assigned to Anti-Aircraft Command are to be reduced as it shifts to a missile armed force and overall Army manpower is to fall by 10 percent to 1,125,000 personnel by 1965. The Royal Air Force is to be reduced by 100,000 personnel over the same period as obsolescent aircraft are replaced and units are assigned to new roles and the Royal Navy is to be reduced by 80,000 personnel due to the decommissioning of older ships.
18. Expenditure (a) The Defence Estimates for the year 1960/61 amounted to £10,978 million. Had the planned programme continued unchanged, the figure for 1961/62 would have risen to £11,375 million. (b) However, as a result of extensive efforts to effect economy, it has been possible to keep defence estimates down to £10,825 million. This substantial saving has been secured by the reduction in the overall strength of the armed forces, the reorganization of production orders and a decrease in administrative costs. (c) Whilst it is not possible to forecast the exact level of expenditure in later years, it is expected that the overall defence budget as a share of national income will drop from 12.5 percent to 10 percent over the next three years, despite the increasing cost of modern weapons systems, both strategic and conventional. The reduction of the burden on the economy will permit Britain to continue to play her central role in the world economy and global security.
19. Conclusion (a) The Government have adopted this new defence plan and strategy in the firm belief that it will benefit the national economy and provide the highest quality armed forces required to defend the British Empire and her allies and respond to a range of threats and contingencies. (b) All three Services will be armed with the newest and most advanced weapons in the world and will be capable of successfully engaging in conventional and strategic warfare. The Royal Navy will field an increasing number of missile-armed warships; the Army will be equipped with guided missiles and given the highest degree of strategic mobility; the Royal Air Force will be supplied with a new generation of advanced fighters, bombers and rockets; and Britain will be protected by a new and formidable missile defence shield. (c) Whether deployed in allied and Commonwealth formations in Europe, the Middle East or Far East or engaged in the defence of Britain and the Empire, the armed forces will continue to enjoy their well-deserved rank as the world’s finest.
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