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Post by stevep on Apr 19, 2018 14:09:48 GMT
As unlikely as it is, Nicholas II is able to crack down on the communists before he is executed. Lenin and other Bolshevik leaders are quickly captured and executed, and protests are disrupted. The entire communist movement is broken up, and just barely, Nicholas II is able to hang to the throne. He quickly negotiates peace with Germany in 1916 and declares neutrality. He promises a new renewal for the people, attempting ambitious welfare reforms, establishing basic rights for the people and taking measures to ease social discontent. People stop rioting, and as the conditions improve, the Bolshevism slowly loses prominence. The Russian monarchy is saved, at least for a few years. Basically, how could the tsar last till WWII? Sorry that won't work, at least with Lenin being executed. He was in exile until after Nicholas's fall and the founding of the Provisional Government, after the March revolution. It was only after the PG refused to end the war that Germany arranged for Lenin and some of his followers to be moved from Switzerland to Russia. The Bolsheviks had nothing to do with the Czar's fall. If you want the monarchy to survive then a better performance in WWI is required, or a lot of luck. Especially if you want to to last as an absolute monarchy. Best bet might be to have Nickolas die before the war, which would remove his weak and autocratic leadership and give a regency for his son Alexis, who would gain some sympathy, both for his illness and being an orphan. On the down side this might leave his mother in charge who was as stupid as Nickolas and a lot more forceful by most accounts. Possibly if both died in an accident and the regent was his uncle Michael. Who seems to have been significantly more capable. Of course if Czarist Russia survived another couple of decades you are unlikely to get a WWII, or at least one anything like OTL. If Germany is still defeated in WWI then the most likely nature of a WWII, given its steady development, would probably be Russia being seen as a potential hegemony and most/all the other great powers of Europe allied to restrain it. |
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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 19, 2018 14:13:39 GMT
As unlikely as it is, Nicholas II is able to crack down on the communists before he is executed. Lenin and other Bolshevik leaders are quickly captured and executed, and protests are disrupted. The entire communist movement is broken up, and just barely, Nicholas II is able to hang to the throne. He quickly negotiates peace with Germany in 1916 and declares neutrality. He promises a new renewal for the people, attempting ambitious welfare reforms, establishing basic rights for the people and taking measures to ease social discontent. People stop rioting, and as the conditions improve, the Bolshevism slowly loses prominence. The Russian monarchy is saved, at least for a few years. Basically, how could the tsar last till WWII? Sorry that won't work, at least with Lenin being executed. He was in exile until after Nicholas's fall and the founding of the Provisional Government, after the March revolution. It was only after the PG refused to end the war that Germany arranged for Lenin and some of his followers to be moved from Switzerland to Russia. The Bolsheviks had nothing to do with the Czar's fall. If you want the monarchy to survive then a better performance in WWI is required, or a lot of luck. Especially if you want to to last as an absolute monarchy. Best bet might be to have Nickolas die before the war, which would remove his weak and autocratic leadership and give a regency for his son Alexis, who would gain some sympathy, both for his illness and being an orphan. On the down side this might leave his mother in charge who was as stupid as Nickolas and a lot more forceful by most accounts. Possibly if both died in an accident and the regent was his uncle Michael. Who seems to have been significantly more capable. But that can't happen, because Michael rejected the crown. Most historians agree Nicholas's true successor was his son Alexei, but he's a 13-year-old brat with hemophilia and no ruling experience. Royal Russia is doomed. |
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Post by stevep on Apr 19, 2018 21:25:36 GMT
Sorry that won't work, at least with Lenin being executed. He was in exile until after Nicholas's fall and the founding of the Provisional Government, after the March revolution. It was only after the PG refused to end the war that Germany arranged for Lenin and some of his followers to be moved from Switzerland to Russia. The Bolsheviks had nothing to do with the Czar's fall. If you want the monarchy to survive then a better performance in WWI is required, or a lot of luck. Especially if you want to to last as an absolute monarchy. Best bet might be to have Nickolas die before the war, which would remove his weak and autocratic leadership and give a regency for his son Alexis, who would gain some sympathy, both for his illness and being an orphan. On the down side this might leave his mother in charge who was as stupid as Nickolas and a lot more forceful by most accounts. Possibly if both died in an accident and the regent was his uncle Michael. Who seems to have been significantly more capable. But that can't happen, because Michael rejected the crown. Most historians agree Nicholas's true successor was his son Alexei, but he's a 13-year-old brat with hemophilia and no ruling experience. Royal Russia is doomed. Michael rejected the crown OTL. Under other circumstances he might be willing. Plus here we're only talking about him being a regent. Alexis may well die before he reaches his majority because of his illness. In which case I'm not sure what would happen. Possibly his oldest sister would become empress? |
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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 19, 2018 22:15:28 GMT
But that can't happen, because Michael rejected the crown. Most historians agree Nicholas's true successor was his son Alexei, but he's a 13-year-old brat with hemophilia and no ruling experience. Royal Russia is doomed. Michael rejected the crown OTL. Under other circumstances he might be willing. Plus here we're only talking about him being a regent. Alexis may well die before he reaches his majority because of his illness. In which case I'm not sure what would happen. Possibly his oldest sister would become empress? That can't happen. There was an old law which dictated women couldn't take the Crown. This was established by Catherine II the Great's son, Paul I, in the late 1790's, as sort of revenge for his mother murdering his father. This law was in effect until the very end of the Russian Romanov dynasty, thus forbidding any of the tsar's heiresses from taking the throne. This would mean that, in order for the tsar line to prevail, Nicholas II would have to endure WWI and the Bolshevik Revolution. Otherwise, it would all fall on young Alexei's shoulders, which.... yeah, it's pretty much doomed. |
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Post by stevep on Apr 20, 2018 10:15:00 GMT
Michael rejected the crown OTL. Under other circumstances he might be willing. Plus here we're only talking about him being a regent. Alexis may well die before he reaches his majority because of his illness. In which case I'm not sure what would happen. Possibly his oldest sister would become empress? That can't happen. There was an old law which dictated women couldn't take the Crown. This was established by Catherine II the Great's son, Paul I, in the late 1790's, as sort of revenge for his mother murdering his father. This law was in effect until the very end of the Russian Romanov dynasty, thus forbidding any of the tsar's heiresses from taking the throne. This would mean that, in order for the tsar line to prevail, Nicholas II would have to endure WWI and the Bolshevik Revolution. Otherwise, it would all fall on young Alexei's shoulders, which.... yeah, it's pretty much doomed. By definition a law can be changed and if facing such a situation and Michael is unable/unwilling to take the throne then there is an incentive here to change it back. After all Russia had two powerful empress in the 19thC so there is an historical basis. Alternatively possibly one of Alexi's sister's get married and her husband is recognised as Czar. Basically Russia has a significantly better chance to winning WWI, which is really what is required for the monarchy to survive largely unreformed, if Nickolas isn't in charge. |
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Post by James G on Apr 20, 2018 19:48:44 GMT
A different Brexit Result
Remains win, narrowly. Britain is not leaving the EU.
So this would be political and lead to a general election afterwards.
(full disclosure: I am one of them, a Brexiteer)
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Post by lordroel on Apr 20, 2018 19:53:53 GMT
A different Brexit Result Remains win, narrowly. Britain is not leaving the EU. So this would be political and lead to a general election afterwards. (full disclosure: I am one of them, a Brexiteer) Nice but lets keep real British politics out of threads that are not in Politics and Current Affairs, people tend to get wound up about these things. |
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Post by James G on Apr 20, 2018 19:57:34 GMT
A different Brexit Result Remains win, narrowly. Britain is not leaving the EU. So this would be political and lead to a general election afterwards. (full disclosure: I am one of them, a Brexiteer) Nice but lets keep real British politics out of threads that are not in Politics and Current Affairs, people tend to get wound up about these things. I agree. Just a speculative idea; don't have the time to write that or do the research. |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 20, 2018 19:59:44 GMT
Nice but lets keep real British politics out of threads that are not in Politics and Current Affairs, people tend to get wound up about these things. I agree. Just a speculative idea; don't have the time to write that or do the research. Well just stick to World War III, less mess than Brexit. |
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Post by James G on Apr 22, 2018 15:28:11 GMT
Eagle Guardian.
A dispute between Russia and the West in 2010 sees Russia take preemptive action to forestall a perceived Colour Revolution.
This is an invasion of the Baltic States. NATO jumps into action.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 22, 2018 15:31:04 GMT
Eagle Guardian. A dispute between Russia and the West in 2010 sees Russia take preemptive action to forestall a perceived Colour Revolution. This is an invasion of the Baltic States. NATO jumps into action. James would you try to stick with the World War III scenario that you are currently writing instead of creating a new one. |
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Post by James G on Apr 22, 2018 15:37:21 GMT
Eagle Guardian. A dispute between Russia and the West in 2010 sees Russia take preemptive action to forestall a perceived Colour Revolution. This is an invasion of the Baltic States. NATO jumps into action. James would you try to stick with the World War III scenario that you are currently writing instead of creating a new one. No way, Jose. This is a story idea thread and this is a story idea. |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 22, 2018 16:47:09 GMT
I do have a story idea i am working on called the Rise and Fall of the Austria Reich, i came up with that seeing jasonsnow flag in the flag thread, still working out the details for it, but when i have them i will post them here. |
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Post by raunchel on Apr 22, 2018 17:26:15 GMT
I do have a story idea i am working on called the Rise and Fall of the Austria Reich, i came up with that seeing jasonsnow flag in the flag thread, still working out the details for it, but when i have them i will post them here. I look forward to seeing it, because that sounds very interesting. |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 22, 2018 18:04:48 GMT
I do have a story idea i am working on called the Rise and Fall of the Austria Reich, i came up with that seeing jasonsnow flag in the flag thread, still working out the details for it, but when i have them i will post them here. I look forward to seeing it, because that sounds very interesting. Well what i have so far is that a certain corporal join the Austria-Hungary Army instead of the German army, he gets send to the Italian Front in 1915 where gets the Bronze Medal for Bravery for saving a officer, he gets wounded a month before the end of the war and is still in Austria hospital, by the end of the war in 1918 he is awarded the Karl Troop Cross and the Wound Medal. That is what i have so far. |
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