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Post by mullauna on Mar 9, 2018 4:39:24 GMT
The UK from 11:59 PM on May 4th 1979 and the USA from 12:01 PM on January 20th 1981 arrive at noon yesterday GMT 2018.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 9, 2018 8:16:42 GMT
The UK from 11:59 PM on May 4th 1979 and the USA from 12:01 PM on January 20th 1981 arrive at noon yesterday GMT 2018. Well at least Reagan is a president i like.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 9:25:40 GMT
Both positively left-wing compared with the regimes they've replaced.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 9, 2018 9:35:17 GMT
Both positively left-wing compared with the regimes they've replaced. Would the UK still be doing a Brexit and what is the Iron Lady going to do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 11:36:08 GMT
Would the UK still be doing a Brexit and what is the Iron Lady going to do. Considering she campaigned to stay in the EEC in 1975, I think she'd be horrified that Article 50 had been activated. It's out of her hands now. Britain does not comply with EU regulations in 1979, anyhow.
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Post by stevep on Mar 9, 2018 12:48:13 GMT
Would the UK still be doing a Brexit and what is the Iron Lady going to do. Considering she campaigned to stay in the EEC in 1975, I think she'd be horrified that Article 50 had been activated. It's out of her hands now. Britain does not comply with EU regulations in 1979, anyhow. Plus given how the EEC has changed to the EU in the intervening period I can't see it being interested in staying in. Just thought that a lot of EU [and other] citizens have disappeared while a fair number of Britons and Americans now have two versions, for people who moved to places elsewhere since 79/81. The interesting bit would be how people in both countries react to what they hear about what's happened to their countries in the preceeding ~39 years. Of course one crippling thing for both nations is their lost a hell of a lot of technology. I'm a lot younger but I have no computer or knowledge of use of them, let alone the internet. Britain still has a broad industrial base but a deeply outdated one. Our world leading computer industry is centred around the Sinclair Spectrum!! A lot of foreign powers have lost investments and 79 Britain's overseas interests are somewhat in the void. Hopefully the OTL free rein to loot for the financial sector will be curtailed greatly this time. Do foreign based forces and possessions also come along? In which case for instance the BAOR is back in Britain but with a lot of obsolete equipment. Ditto for the US which might also become the world's greatest polluter again [although I suspect China will still have that position] with all their old industries. However China has lost a hell of a lot of investments in the US. Basically the world economy is going to be in chaos for quite a while. I wonder as well what Reagan's US will make of Putin's Russia!
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Post by lordroel on Mar 9, 2018 12:55:19 GMT
Considering she campaigned to stay in the EEC in 1975, I think she'd be horrified that Article 50 had been activated. It's out of her hands now. Britain does not comply with EU regulations in 1979, anyhow. Plus given how the EEC has changed to the EU in the intervening period I can't see it being interested in staying in. Just thought that a lot of EU [and other] citizens have disappeared while a fair number of Britons and Americans now have two versions, for people who moved to places elsewhere since 79/81. The interesting bit would be how people in both countries react to what they hear about what's happened to their countries in the preceeding ~39 years. Of course one crippling thing for both nations is their lost a hell of a lot of technology. I'm a lot younger but I have no computer or knowledge of use of them, let alone the internet. Britain still has a broad industrial base but a deeply outdated one. Our world leading computer industry is centred around the Sinclair Spectrum!! A lot of foreign powers have lost investments and 79 Britain's overseas interests are somewhat in the void. Hopefully the OTL free rein to loot for the financial sector will be curtailed greatly this time. Do foreign based forces and possessions also come along? In which case for instance the BAIR is back in Britain but with a lot of obsolete equipment. Ditto for the US which might also become the world's greatest polluter again [although I suspect China will still have that position] with all their old industries. However China has lost a hell of a lot of investments in the US. Basically the world economy is going to be in chaos for quite a while. I wonder as well what Reagan's US will make of Putin's Russia! I also wonder if outside US forces and people are replaced with their 1981 counterparts. At least the United Kingdom of 1981 can beat the Argentinians still.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 13:57:41 GMT
The US and U.K. militaries will be huge compared to their uptimer (and Russian and Chinese) counterparts, if with slightly degraded performance.
The USA will have far more nuclear warheads than it does now, and British SLBMs will be just as lethal.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 9, 2018 14:09:21 GMT
The US and U.K. militaries will be huge compared to their uptimer and Chinese counterparts, if with slightly degraded performance. And they will remain like that I think for the time being as it is a way for them to be secure.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 14:54:48 GMT
I think Thatcher will be terrified by the fact that the world has changed so much, and that Britain is economically at the mercy of technologically advanced EU, China, India, Brazil etc.
Britain will be cut off from the Internet, and be forced to liberalise its economy as though it was a Third World Country
An authoritarian capitalist Russia will not go down too well with the USA gov't
Reagan might go isolationist with no Warsaw Pact.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 9, 2018 17:30:31 GMT
But the Royal Navy while being a lot older than 2018 navies is still impressive consisting of:
4 Aircraft Carriers.
15 Destroyers.
49 frigates.
2 LPDs.
6 LTSs.
45 Minesweepers.
4 Nuclear ballistic missile submarines.
13 Nuclear-powered fleet submarines.
16 Diesel-electric submarines.
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Post by mullauna on Mar 9, 2018 19:35:55 GMT
All the main infrastructure for the internet is in the USA so Reagan's USA appearing will cripple it.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 9, 2018 19:42:30 GMT
All the main infrastructure for the internet is in the USA so Reagan's USA appearing will cripple it. Europe and other countries have their own i would think.
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Post by stevep on Mar 9, 2018 23:58:44 GMT
All the main infrastructure for the internet is in the USA so Reagan's USA appearing will cripple it. Europe and other countries have their own i would think. They have some and I suspect China might be fairly independent, if simply because of their paranoia but a lot of assets and data storage I think is still centred in the US so that will be gone. Not to mention communications lines through both the US and the UK will be lost or totally obsolete. There could be a serious period of tension with China. Its going to be very upset at the loss of so many assets and investments in the US, especially as it basically funded a large part of the US debt the last decade or so but I can't see 71 US accepting those debts. Ditto to a much lesser degree with the UK. Another problem if colonial possessions and overseas personal come along will be Hong Kong. China will have lost that again and want it back, probably pretty much straight away. However to HK, UK and US its 1979/81 and they might argue that there's still nearly two decades left on the lease Especially given tension over the debt issue and that to the down-times China's still a pretty backwards place, only a few years after Mao's death so they could under-estimate it. Up-timers can given them details of the size of the current Chinese economy and some idea of its capacity but that could fail to sink in that well. I wonder what 81 US will think of the idea of Trump having become President? Probably shock most of them more than Obama. Come to think of it how would the younger Trump react!! Just occurred to me that the Channel tunnel has gone, or at least the British half of it. Don't know what's happened in the EEZ - especially in terms of oil stocks - have they been restored to 79 levels? Similarly does Britain in the N Sea have 1979 or 2018 infrastructre in terms of drilling rigs, pipelines, etc. There's going to be a lot of scandals that could cause problems for the down-timers. For instance the Catholic church in the US is going to face up-time knowledge of the child abuse problems there, which with luck will mean a lot are avoided. PLus how much will Reagan's position be affected by details of the Iran-Contra scandal?? Thatcher will also have a lot of questions to answer about some of her activities. Other such occurrences will occur as well as some tragedies, on issues of safety of the tubes in London [King's Cross fire] and football grounds [Bradford fire and Hillsborough disaster] to name just two. Not sure what will happen with Britexit as the EU could argue that the people who voted in the 2016 referendum aren't about any more - or only younger versions of them and that the 1975 referendum was only a few years before - albeit also rather dubious for its black propaganda. However the massive changes from the EEC in 79 to the EU in 18 is going to be a hell of a lot to stomach for much of the UK and also if the EU still try and screw as much money as possible. Given the state of the British economy I doubt they could afford the ITL subsides to the EU.
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Post by stevep on Mar 10, 2018 0:03:10 GMT
PS On nuclear deterrent I'm not sure how strong Britain's was at this point. Still some way before Trident was in production and the old R force were getting rather long in the tooth. I remember reading that during the last decade or so of its existence one of the subs was no longer operational so it was impossible to have a sub out at all times. Which could be especially perilous given that both major potential enemies have markedly more advanced technology now compered to what the UK is used to facing.
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