Post by lordroel on Dec 17, 2016 9:57:34 GMT
What if: Americans lose the Battle of New Orleans (1815)
What if Jackson had been defeated and lost the Battle of New Orleans ? He told one officer he would have burned the city and taken a position north of New Orleans and stopped all shipping to the city. After the battle of the 28th, committee of the Legislature to ask what course he intended to take in case he were compelled to retreat..'If,' replied the General, 'I thought the hair of my head could divine what I should do, forthwith I would cut it off! Go back with this answer; say to your honorable body that if disaster does overtake me and the fate of war drives me from my line to the city, they may expect to have a very warm session !'
As mentioned before, After taking New Orleans, the British planned to head up the Mississippi Valley to join troops coming down from Canada . Perhaps a new British colony could be established in Louisiana or New Orleans at least could be detached to the empire, giving the British a stranglehold on the Mississippi. The price of peace could have been ceding the Louisiana Purchase territory to the British, setting up a Louisiana "India."
There are a great number of ' what ifs ' for the British operations in the Gulf Coast. What if Pakenham had attacked immediately after discovering Jackson holding a parade for his troops when the fog lifted on Jan 1st ? What if Cochrane had not been delayed two weeks waiting for Lloyd's squadron to arrive at Negril Bay and arrive off New Orleans before Jackson had arrived ? What if the British were able to take Mobile and march along the coast as Jackson expected ? If this had happened, the British could have recruited many Creeks, who until recently had been fighting the U.S. in the Creek War, and were still bitter over ceding 23 million acres of their land at the Treaty of Fort Jackson. Such an army, marching along, gathering Indians,and forcing towns and plantations to swear allegiance to the empire along the way would have been hard force to stop. Such a force of Indians may have been able to mitigate the Indian style warfare Jackson certainly would have employed against the British in their march to New Orleans.
If the British had been able to take New Orleans and had the Louisiana Territory ceded to them as a condition of peace and Napoleon had not returned to power, what would have been the result ? Would the Creoles of New Orleans and the surrounding area revolted or just accepted it as another ruler, which had happened more than a few times already ? The British probably would have banished the American population, and fortified New Orleans and the river to the coast and able to collect huge revenues . American expansion west of the Mississippi could have been stopped and British armed Indian tribes would have made American settlement of the western lands it did hold much more difficult. This almost certainly would have led to another war between Britain and the U.S. at some point, if America itself didn't break apart after such a disaster . Britain would have been in a position to encourage sectionalism and succession in America to further weaken it as a threat. There certainly wouldn't have been the optimistic Era of Good Feeling which followed Jackson's victory. California could have been easily seized from the Spanish and the resulting gold discovery there would have brought in many colonist. Driving the British out would have become the biggest issue, not slavery, perhaps resulting in the Civil War not occurring . With no Civil War occurring and the western part of America under British control, America would have become less industrialised and the black population of the American south probably would have been enslaved longer. The longer the British were able to hold on to their lands, the harder it would become to drive them out. America probably not have been powerful enough to be a factor by the time world wars started breaking out in Europe.
What if Jackson had been defeated and lost the Battle of New Orleans ? He told one officer he would have burned the city and taken a position north of New Orleans and stopped all shipping to the city. After the battle of the 28th, committee of the Legislature to ask what course he intended to take in case he were compelled to retreat..'If,' replied the General, 'I thought the hair of my head could divine what I should do, forthwith I would cut it off! Go back with this answer; say to your honorable body that if disaster does overtake me and the fate of war drives me from my line to the city, they may expect to have a very warm session !'
As mentioned before, After taking New Orleans, the British planned to head up the Mississippi Valley to join troops coming down from Canada . Perhaps a new British colony could be established in Louisiana or New Orleans at least could be detached to the empire, giving the British a stranglehold on the Mississippi. The price of peace could have been ceding the Louisiana Purchase territory to the British, setting up a Louisiana "India."
There are a great number of ' what ifs ' for the British operations in the Gulf Coast. What if Pakenham had attacked immediately after discovering Jackson holding a parade for his troops when the fog lifted on Jan 1st ? What if Cochrane had not been delayed two weeks waiting for Lloyd's squadron to arrive at Negril Bay and arrive off New Orleans before Jackson had arrived ? What if the British were able to take Mobile and march along the coast as Jackson expected ? If this had happened, the British could have recruited many Creeks, who until recently had been fighting the U.S. in the Creek War, and were still bitter over ceding 23 million acres of their land at the Treaty of Fort Jackson. Such an army, marching along, gathering Indians,and forcing towns and plantations to swear allegiance to the empire along the way would have been hard force to stop. Such a force of Indians may have been able to mitigate the Indian style warfare Jackson certainly would have employed against the British in their march to New Orleans.
If the British had been able to take New Orleans and had the Louisiana Territory ceded to them as a condition of peace and Napoleon had not returned to power, what would have been the result ? Would the Creoles of New Orleans and the surrounding area revolted or just accepted it as another ruler, which had happened more than a few times already ? The British probably would have banished the American population, and fortified New Orleans and the river to the coast and able to collect huge revenues . American expansion west of the Mississippi could have been stopped and British armed Indian tribes would have made American settlement of the western lands it did hold much more difficult. This almost certainly would have led to another war between Britain and the U.S. at some point, if America itself didn't break apart after such a disaster . Britain would have been in a position to encourage sectionalism and succession in America to further weaken it as a threat. There certainly wouldn't have been the optimistic Era of Good Feeling which followed Jackson's victory. California could have been easily seized from the Spanish and the resulting gold discovery there would have brought in many colonist. Driving the British out would have become the biggest issue, not slavery, perhaps resulting in the Civil War not occurring . With no Civil War occurring and the western part of America under British control, America would have become less industrialised and the black population of the American south probably would have been enslaved longer. The longer the British were able to hold on to their lands, the harder it would become to drive them out. America probably not have been powerful enough to be a factor by the time world wars started breaking out in Europe.
