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Post by Roderick3D on Dec 10, 2016 15:23:03 GMT
Sir Roger campaign have been a success, the king is death and the last royalist positions in the north are unprotected, Scottish man crossed the borders regularly plundering the English villages and violating the young peasants. The barons of the north decide crown John of Gaunt as king, on 6 of March of the Year of our Lord 1382, John II is crown King of England in St Laurence's Church, during the coronation the title of Lord of Ireland is forgotten, that makes John the first King of England that not officially possessed the Lordship of Ireland since 1171. Roger came back to London and claims the title of Kingdom, the peasants and burgers of London highly contested his claim and the situation is only settled under one treaty: The Treaty of the Thames.
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Post by Roderick3D on Dec 10, 2016 15:28:07 GMT
{The Treaty of the Thames (Spoiler)}The Treaty of the Thames will establishes something similar to the Dutch Republic. Maybe more of a constitutional monarchy (if you think that the Dutch Republic as diferent from a constitutional monarchy it a fancy name). |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 10, 2016 15:30:37 GMT
Sir Roger campaign have been a success, the king is death and the last royalist positions in the north are unprotected, Scottish man crossed the borders regularly plundering the English villages and violating the young peasants. The barons of the north decide crown John of Gaunt as king, on 6 of March of the Year of our Lord, John II is crown King of England in St Laurence's Church, during the coronation the title of Lord of Ireland is forgotten, that makes John the first King of England that not officially possessed the Lordship of Ireland since 1171. Roger came back to London and claims the title of Kingdom, the peasants and burgers of London highly contested his claim and the two accept form a new government under one treaty: Treaty of the Thames. So am i right that under the Treaty of the Thames both Roger I and John II will be co-rulers of England ore am i wrong. |
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Post by Roderick3D on Dec 10, 2016 15:49:52 GMT
Sir Roger campaign have been a success, the king is death and the last royalist positions in the north are unprotected, Scottish man crossed the borders regularly plundering the English villages and violating the young peasants. The barons of the north decide crown John of Gaunt as king, on 6 of March of the Year of our Lord, John II is crown King of England in St Laurence's Church, during the coronation the title of Lord of Ireland is forgotten, that makes John the first King of England that not officially possessed the Lordship of Ireland since 1171. Roger came back to London and claims the title of Kingdom, the peasants and burgers of London highly contested his claim and the two accept form a new government under one treaty: Treaty of the Thames. So am i right that under the Treaty of the Thames both Roger I and John II will be co-rulers of England ore am i wrong. By two part I as talking betwen the population of London and Roger, but that is also a good ideas, but I do no if Roger will want co-rule it John II |
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Post by stevep on Dec 10, 2016 16:26:45 GMT
Sir Roger campaign have been a success, the king is death and the last royalist positions in the north are unprotected, Scottish man crossed the borders regularly plundering the English villages and violating the young peasants. The barons of the north decide crown John of Gaunt as king, on 6 of March of the Year of our Lord, John II is crown King of England in St Laurence's Church, during the coronation the title of Lord of Ireland is forgotten, that makes John the first King of England that not officially possessed the Lordship of Ireland since 1171. Roger came back to London and claims the title of Kingdom, the peasants and burgers of London highly contested his claim and the two accept form a new government under one treaty: Treaty of the Thames. So am i right that under the Treaty of the Thames both Roger I and John II will be co-rulers of England ore am i wrong. It sounded to me more like their rival claimants. Roger has a base in the south, with the conditional support of a lot of the peasants and possibly smaller merchants and tradesmen and the like. John is based in the north and will have the more conservative elements, including the bulk of the nobles I would presume but is also facing problems to the north with Scottish attacks and raids. Not sure what effect John missing Ireland from his coronation vows will have. There is still the early basis of the 'old English' settlers in the Pale in uneasy competition with assorted local Irish groups plus a history of Scottish raids here in the recent past. As such Ireland could go any number of ways. I would expect the Papacy would seek to have John claim it again since they would want to strengthen his position but he might find that too much of a challenge. There is also the question of what's happening in Europe, both in terms of hostility to the Lollards and also the former English/Plantagenet lands in France, which were steadily falling back into French hands in this period but there was hostility towards this in a number of areas, most noticeably probably Gascony. Steve |
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Post by Roderick3D on Dec 10, 2016 17:35:05 GMT
So am i right that under the Treaty of the Thames both Roger I and John II will be co-rulers of England ore am i wrong. It sounded to me more like their rival claimants. Roger has a base in the south, with the conditional support of a lot of the peasants and possibly smaller merchants and tradesmen and the like. John is based in the north and will have the more conservative elements, including the bulk of the nobles I would presume but is also facing problems to the north with Scottish attacks and raids. Not sure what effect John missing Ireland from his coronation vows will have. There is still the early basis of the 'old English' settlers in the Pale in uneasy competition with assorted local Irish groups plus a history of Scottish raids here in the recent past. As such Ireland could go any number of ways. I would expect the Papacy would seek to have John claim it again since they would want to strengthen his position but he might find that too much of a challenge. There is also the question of what's happening in Europe, both in terms of hostility to the Lollards and also the former English/Plantagenet lands in France, which were steadily falling back into French hands in this period but there was hostility towards this in a number of areas, most noticeably probably Gascony. Steve He dont have 2 kings... Yet... Ireland mising in the coronation? Just a fun fact... He hope... In europe nothing hapens since 1380. Charles VI the Mad is in power in France and the Dukes are doing duchy thinks : Timeline |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 10, 2016 20:32:26 GMT
It sounded to me more like their rival claimants. Roger has a base in the south, with the conditional support of a lot of the peasants and possibly smaller merchants and tradesmen and the like. John is based in the north and will have the more conservative elements, including the bulk of the nobles I would presume but is also facing problems to the north with Scottish attacks and raids. Not sure what effect John missing Ireland from his coronation vows will have. There is still the early basis of the 'old English' settlers in the Pale in uneasy competition with assorted local Irish groups plus a history of Scottish raids here in the recent past. As such Ireland could go any number of ways. I would expect the Papacy would seek to have John claim it again since they would want to strengthen his position but he might find that too much of a challenge. There is also the question of what's happening in Europe, both in terms of hostility to the Lollards and also the former English/Plantagenet lands in France, which were steadily falling back into French hands in this period but there was hostility towards this in a number of areas, most noticeably probably Gascony. Steve He dont have 2 kings... Yet... Ireland mising in the coronation? Just a fun fact... He hope... In europe nothing hapens since 1380. Charles VI the Mad is in power in France and the Dukes are doing duchy thinks : TimelineToughed of a good name, The War of the Two Kings. |
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Post by Roderick3D on Dec 11, 2016 18:56:26 GMT
He dont have 2 kings... Yet... Ireland mising in the coronation? Just a fun fact... He hope... In europe nothing hapens since 1380. Charles VI the Mad is in power in France and the Dukes are doing duchy thinks : TimelineToughed of a good name, The War of the Two Kings. Maybe |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 11, 2016 19:15:22 GMT
Toughed of a good name, The War of the Two Kings. Maybe Well a war can have many different names. |
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Post by Roderick3D on Dec 14, 2016 21:15:59 GMT
Under Treaty of the Thames a new government position is established, a magistrate that shall cooperate with the king in the administration of the nation, this person is elected by a council of low ranking nobles from Greater London for the term 6 years. This new magistrate remain it low power but it the support of the council he can veto any action of the king, also the treaty established and abolished various rank of nobility it the objective of reduce the influence of the nobles of the North and Centre in the government.
While that the new king try defend the remains of the royalists against the Scottish raids that now become part of everyday live in Northumberland and Cumbria.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 15, 2016 3:50:48 GMT
a council of low ranking nobles from Greater London for the term 6 years. What are you considering being low nobility. |
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Post by Roderick3D on Dec 15, 2016 19:44:12 GMT
a council of low ranking nobles from Greater London for the term 6 years. What are you considering being low nobility. Mayors, rich merchants and some bourgeois. |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 15, 2016 20:13:39 GMT
What are you considering being low nobility. Mayors, rich merchants and some bourgeois. People wo in the future will look to thier intrest instead of the intrest the people the need to govern. |
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Post by Roderick3D on Dec 15, 2016 20:59:05 GMT
People wo in the future will look to thier intrest instead of the intrest the people the need to govern. Corruption like never seen before, except in ancient rome. |
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Post by Roderick3D on Dec 15, 2016 21:24:34 GMT
The timeline until the signing of the Treaty of the Thames:
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In the year of our Lord 1381, the peasants of England pass by harsh times, the high taxes resulting from the conflict with France, the economic situation caused by the Bubonic Plague and the religious turmoil inside the Kingdom all have contributed to the lowering rates of popularity of Richard II, violent rebellions start spreading all over Essex by February, on May London as burning, the king fleet to West Sussex it is court leaving the east in the hand of the rebels, although the rebellion never had any religious objective Lollardism have start spread it the population, this heresy of the Western Christianity denied any special status to the priesthood and challenged the practice of clerical celibacy. John Ball, a Lollard priest and one of the leaders of the rebellion starts propagating is ideas to the peasant mob, this news haven't been well received by John Wycliffe, theologian and founder of Lollardism, fearing a higher persecution after the rebellion he and his supporters fleet to Castile. This marks a break between the Essexer Lollardism popular it the English peasants and the more organized Wycliffe Lollardism popular it some nobles. By August the last royalist strongholds in Kent have fallen, more people join the rebellion every village they passed, the ones that oppose them end decapitated, armed it sticks, hoes, axes, old swords and longbows they end conquering Sussex on ends of October after the royalist army rebel against their overlords and join the peasants. The King fleet again this time to South Cumbria here he had a major support, a similar rebellion break in based in it the new religious thinking of the Essexer Lollardism, by December Cornwall have fallen in the hands of the rebels.
By November the state of anarchy of the lands controlled by the peasants as notable, the fields are abandoned, the granaries empty, there isn't food for supply the army and the man start disbanding. Fearing the end of the rebellion John Ball call for a meeting it Sir Roger Clarendon, bastard son of the Black Prince, Sir Roger decide lead the rebellion against is step-brother Richard II and accept the new religious thinking of the peasants. The new leader son start a new campaign for Leicestershire leaving the south unprotected. While that Richard gathered a royalist army of 5.000 man but great part of the fighting age males support the cause of the rebels. The king leave Cumbria by February of 1382 to London not knowing of the rebel position, the tale says that reaching Leicester Castle the king decide to pass there the night unknowing of the enemy occupation of the castle, during the night 3 peasants enter in his bedchambers, kill him and set fire on the royalist camp, the know is that the king never enter in the castle, 2 peasants of unknown name infiltrate in the siege camp mounted near Leicester and set fire on it, the peasants hidden in the hoods surge persecuting the man try fleeing, during the chaos the king is killed, Sir Roger campaign have been a success and the last royalist positions in the north are now unprotected, Scottish man start crossing the borders regularly in well-planned incursions plundering the royalist villages and violating the young peasants. The barons of the north decide crown John of Gaunt as king, on 6 of March of the Year of our Lord 1382, John II is crown King of England and France in St Laurence's Church, during the coronation the title of Lord of Ireland is forgotten, that makes John the first King of England that not officially possessed the Lordship of Ireland since 1171. Roger came back to London in 2 of April and claims the title of King, the peasants and bourgeois of London highly contested his claim and the situation is only settled under the Treaty of the Thames, it the established a new government position, the magistrate that shall cooperate with the king in the administration of the nation, this person is elected by a council of low ranking nobles from Greater London for the term 6 years. This new magistrate remain it low power but it the support of the council he can veto any action of the king, also the treaty redistribute the church lands between the peasants, abolished the Archbishopric of Canterbury and abolished various rank of nobility it the objective of reduce the influence of the nobles of the north and centre in the government of London, he crown himself King of England and Ireland on 23 of April, negating the pope influence in Ireland and not citing any claim on the French throne. While that the John II try defend the remains of the royalists against the Scottish raids that now become part of everyday live in Northumberland and Cumbria.
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