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Post by futurist on Oct 11, 2016 10:04:03 GMT
What if, after his death in 1821, Napoleon would have waken up as French King Louis XIV in 1661?
Any thoughts on this?
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Post by lordroel on Oct 11, 2016 13:52:41 GMT
What if, after his death in 1821, Napoleon would have waken up as French King Louis XIV in 1661? Any thoughts on this? So he will now be in the body of a 30 year old king who is one year away from the War of Devolution |
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Post by futurist on Oct 12, 2016 5:44:39 GMT
What if, after his death in 1821, Napoleon would have waken up as French King Louis XIV in 1661? Any thoughts on this? So he will now be in the body of a 30 year old king who is one year away from the War of DevolutionYes. |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 12, 2016 14:18:34 GMT
So he will now be in the body of a 30 year old king who is one year away from the War of DevolutionYes. Can we assume that Napoleon in the young Louis XIV's Body knows history and also do we think he will declare himself emperor. |
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Post by doug181 on Dec 31, 2016 13:20:37 GMT
Can he fix France's political problems
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Post by georgemathew on Mar 21, 2018 17:41:12 GMT
I sincerely doubt Napoleon will be able to do much.
1. It's France.
2. Getting any sort of moderation through the reactionaries will be difficult. Military not withstanding.
3. 1 year is too short a time to get all the support he can possibly shore up against well all the issues plaguing France at the time.
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Post by raunchel on Mar 23, 2018 8:35:15 GMT
Napoleon as Louis XIV has at least some advantages for France. The coming wars would probably go a fair bit easier with him in charge. But he did have a magnificent talent for uniting Europe, so that might have some consequences as well.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 23, 2018 9:49:11 GMT
Napoleon as Louis XIV has at least some advantages for France. The coming wars would probably go a fair bit easier with him in charge. But he did have a magnificent talent for uniting Europe, so that might have some consequences as well. Wonder what he will think about having Maria Theresa of Spain as his wife. |
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Post by stevep on Mar 23, 2018 10:44:38 GMT
Napoleon as Louis XIV has at least some advantages for France. The coming wars would probably go a fair bit easier with him in charge. But he did have a magnificent talent for uniting Europe, so that might have some consequences as well. Wonder what he will think about having Maria Theresa of Spain as his wife. Well she had to tolerate Louis XIV's many mistresses so she would just have to accept Napoleon's.  It would be familiar in a way for him as he starts with an Hapsburg wife rather than ending with one.  |
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Post by steffen on Mar 26, 2018 9:50:14 GMT
Hui, interesting idea.
So Napoleon, after his death - and after his self critics about why he lost his power, get the chance to do it right, in the body of an absolute monarch, 150 years earlier?
He knows about the weakness of the actual military, he knows how to produce an efficent army
That alone is enough to let him - easily - win the following war. Even if he need around 20 years for his army to come to existence (ne need to train the artillery, cavallery, infantry, need to raise adequate officers - this mean around 20 years) he could do it.
This means - around 1685-90 we have in europe one government that works much better, more efficent and has its people ignited for nationalism. But also - think about the code napopleon, the french people will have more rights, much more rights. So france will be very attractive for lots of people around in europe.
If he stay healthy i see him taking out lots of european countries, binding them into a strong alliance against russia and great britain... he will modernize the artillery, he will improve the weaponary of the armies... His army will be much better as anything else... he also knows about the french defeats and why they lost battles. That alone is very important
He will be much more dangerous as OTL...
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Post by ankh on Mar 26, 2018 10:11:58 GMT
Napoleon will undoubtedly be dangerous at the head of France at this time, but wouldn't it also result in the mother of all coalitions being formed against the French by the entirety of Europe?
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Post by lordroel on Mar 26, 2018 14:38:43 GMT
He will be much more dangerous as OTL... That i can agree with. |
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Post by stevep on Mar 26, 2018 14:48:50 GMT
Napoleon will undoubtedly be dangerous at the head of France at this time, but wouldn't it also result in the mother of all coalitions being formed against the French by the entirety of Europe? Definitely but Napoleon can in theory develop France's military, provided he doesn't end up prompting major revolts in France. The aristocracy hasn't had its power broken by the 1780 revolution and the Catholic church has a lot more influence as well. If he can do it however things look pretty dark for Europe. Russia is still some way from becoming a major player outside the east and while Poland is still powerful its already in decline, between assorted invasions and internal dissent. The Hapsburgs are possibly more powerful than a century or so later but its not so long ago that it was the great threat and also it still faces a clear and major threat from the Ottomans. Britain is a lot weaker in comparison to a century later as the union with Scotland is still only by a common monarch and markedly more fragile. Also its economy isn't anything as strong, nor is the RN in comparison to its rivals. [This is a situation where, if he's actually willing to listen to his admirals Napoleon could win a naval war against Britain, or even the Dutch 1st if Charles II is stupid enough as OTL to accept subsides from the French in return for an alliance against the Dutch. |
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Post by lordroel on Mar 26, 2018 14:52:02 GMT
Napoleon will undoubtedly be dangerous at the head of France at this time, but wouldn't it also result in the mother of all coalitions being formed against the French by the entirety of Europe? Definitely but Napoleon can in theory develop France's military, provided he doesn't end up prompting major revolts in France. The aristocracy hasn't had its power broken by the 1780 revolution and the Catholic church has a lot more influence as well. If he can do it however things look pretty dark for Europe. Russia is still some way from becoming a major player outside the east and while Poland is still powerful its already in decline, between assorted invasions and internal dissent. The Hapsburgs are possibly more powerful than a century or so later but its not so long ago that it was the great threat and also it still faces a clear and major threat from the Ottomans. Britain is a lot weaker in comparison to a century later as the union with Scotland is still only by a common monarch and markedly more fragile. Also its economy isn't anything as strong, nor is the RN in comparison to its rivals. [This is a situation where, if he's actually willing to listen to his admirals Napoleon could win a naval war against Britain, or even the Dutch 1st if Charles II is stupid enough as OTL to accept subsides from the French in return for an alliance against the Dutch. Would nobody feel it strange when the king begins to act differently then he was before, but i can assume that nobody is going to question the king. |
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Post by stevep on Mar 26, 2018 15:13:25 GMT
Definitely but Napoleon can in theory develop France's military, provided he doesn't end up prompting major revolts in France. The aristocracy hasn't had its power broken by the 1780 revolution and the Catholic church has a lot more influence as well. If he can do it however things look pretty dark for Europe. Russia is still some way from becoming a major player outside the east and while Poland is still powerful its already in decline, between assorted invasions and internal dissent. The Hapsburgs are possibly more powerful than a century or so later but its not so long ago that it was the great threat and also it still faces a clear and major threat from the Ottomans. Britain is a lot weaker in comparison to a century later as the union with Scotland is still only by a common monarch and markedly more fragile. Also its economy isn't anything as strong, nor is the RN in comparison to its rivals. [This is a situation where, if he's actually willing to listen to his admirals Napoleon could win a naval war against Britain, or even the Dutch 1st if Charles II is stupid enough as OTL to accept subsides from the French in return for an alliance against the Dutch. Would nobody feel it strange when the king begins to act differently then he was before, but i can assume that nobody is going to question the king. Well, if he's not given knowledge of Louis XIV's memories then he would be stuffed as he's likely to be declared insane. If he is, then there is still a possibility that his behaviour would cause a lot of concern as I said. Trampling too quickly on vested interests could cause a lot of unrest and it hasn't been that long since France has been split by deep divisions and internal conflict. |
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It would be familiar in a way for him as he starts with an Hapsburg wife rather than ending with one. 
