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Post by kubocaskett on Aug 5, 2016 1:59:03 GMT
Back on AH.com I started this little topic that frankly should have gotten more attention than it had: www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/weapons-of-the-1983-wwiii.321188/; of course I do believe this can still continue, just not on that site. Anyway, the rules are still the same; discussions and/or pictures of the possible weapons (firearms, vehicles, missiles, etc.) that exist and could exist are necessary and above all, welcome. Of course the difference here is that this should serve as a source for a WWIII in the 1980s in general instead of being a specific one (including the one from the Able Archer TL). I'll start this off with an MBT that didn't get off the drawing board but did get a mockup of some kind, the Strv 2000:  While it's only a mockup model, the Swedes were seriously considering making a production version of out this baby; perhaps if Sweden were to be dragged into the conflict (more likely by the hands of the Soviets), then I would imagine it would be investing a lot of money into getting this out to the front lines. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 5, 2016 10:11:52 GMT
Back on AH.com I started this little topic that frankly should have gotten more attention than it had: www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/weapons-of-the-1983-wwiii.321188/; of course I do believe this can still continue, just not on that site. Anyway, the rules are still the same; discussions and/or pictures of the possible weapons (firearms, vehicles, missiles, etc.) that exist and could exist are necessary and above all, welcome. Of course the difference here is that this should serve as a source for a WWIII in the 1980s in general instead of being a specific one (including the one from the Able Archer TL). I'll start this off with an MBT that didn't get off the drawing board but did get a mockup of some kind, the Strv 2000: While it's only a mockup model, the Swedes were seriously considering making a production version of out this baby; perhaps if Sweden were to be dragged into the conflict (more likely by the hands of the Soviets), then I would imagine it would be investing a lot of money into getting this out to the front lines. This plane the British Aerospace EAP, first flew in 1986 and the predecessor to today’s Eurofighter Typhoon, could have flown with the RAF if there was a World War III in the 1980s.  I even made a ALt version called the BAe Tempest once for the Red dawn alt hist wwIII Wiki wich is bassed on the Red Dawn 20+ universe that once was online on AH.com before it moved to a new forum where its is still active, if you do not mind i have posted the article here below which you can find at this link ( BAe Tempest at the Red dawn alt hist wwIII Wiki) BAe TempestGeneral characteristics
Crew: 1 Length: 48 ft 2.75 in (14.7003 m) Wingspan: 38 ft 7 in (11.76 m) Height: 18 ft 1.5 in (5.525 m) Wing area: 560 sq ft (52 m2) Empty weight: 22,050 lb (10,002 kg) Max takeoff weight: 32,000 lb (14,515 kg) Powerplant: 2 × Turbo-Union RB199-104D 3-spool turbofan engine, 9,000 lbf (40 kN) thrust each dry, 17,000 lbf (76 kN) with afterburner Service ceiling: 60,000 ft (18,000 m) Guns: 1 × 27 mm Mauser BK-27 Revolver cannon with 150 rounds Hardpoints: Total of 13: Variants
BAe Tempest FGR.1: Single seat fighter variant. BAe Tempest FGR.1A: Single seat fighter variant, added Active Skyflash (Skyflash Mk.2) and AIM-120 capability. BAe Tempest FGR.1B: Single seat fighter variant with improved A2G capabilities. BAe Tempest T.2: Two-seat trainer, combat capable BAe Tempest FGR.3: entered into service in 1994, last version of the BAe Tempest. BAe Tempest T.4: Two-seat version of the BAe Tempest FGR.3, combat capable. |
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Post by kubocaskett on Aug 5, 2016 20:30:42 GMT
You know, I'm quite impressed that there's a TL based on a film like Red Dawn which is often dismissed as some "dumb rightwing propaganda" by some people, granted the whole invading the USA thing is a stretch but at least the TL proves the Red Dawn universe has potential to be expanded upon and as a fan of said film, I would give it a "thumbs up". But anyway, I have another set of goodies to show off: The FGR-17 Viper, a successor to the M72 LAW that would have seen the light of day had it not been cancelled or at least revived in case of wartime:  The Greek ARIS IV rocket launcher, cancelled IOTL but would have been pressed into service in times of war or not given Greece's close proximity with then member of the Warsaw Pact, Bulgaria:  |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 6, 2016 11:07:44 GMT
Well i like planes and this one, the Israeli made and designed (with the help of the United States) Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) Lavi (Hebrew: לביא, "Young Lion") single-engined fourth-generation jet fighter would looks like she can be related to the British designed British Aerospace EAP, if World War III broke out in the 1980s then Israel would need probably suffer as well, with the United states mostly taken the production line for the F-16 for its own use the Lavi would surely be abbe to fill that gap.  |
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Post by kubocaskett on Aug 6, 2016 15:22:57 GMT
Interesting yet doable, it happened the same way in WWII so I don't see what's stopping such a similar thing in WWIII barring excessive nuclear attacks. Anyway, here are some goodies in the firearms department, especially the candidates for the cancelled Advanced Combat Rifle program:  Had a war broken out by that time or last longer than a year if it started in the early 80's, one of them would have seen testing on the battlefield and I mean a baptism of kinds. Though for the G11 (the second one from the top), that might get out to the production line earlier than the other three given that it had a head start in 1969. And this one too, the Colt Automatic rifle:  This baby would be a cost friendly alternative to the FN Minimi; a good choice for those factories that can't afford to make the latter. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 6, 2016 15:32:37 GMT
Interesting yet doable, it happened the same way in WWII so I don't see what's stopping such a similar thing in WWIII barring excessive nuclear attacks. Anyway, here are some goodies in the firearms department, especially the candidates for the cancelled Advanced Combat Rifle program: Had a war broken out by that time or last longer than a year if it started in the early 80's, one of them would have seen testing on the battlefield and I mean a baptism of kinds. Though for the G11 (the second one from the top), that might get out to the production line earlier than the other three given that it had a head start in 1969. And this one too, the Colt Automatic rifle: This baby would be a cost friendly alternative to the FN Minimi; a good choice for those factories that can't afford to make the latter. What about the Soviet version of the Advanced Combat Rifle, Project Abakan, or Would the Soviets with World War III ongoing stick with the trustworthy AK-74 assault rifle. The TKB-0146, one of the advanced assault rifles that took part in Project Abakan.  |
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Post by kubocaskett on Aug 6, 2016 16:04:21 GMT
What about the Soviet version of the Advanced Combat Rifle, Project Abakan, or Would the Soviets with World War III ongoing stick with the trustworthy AK-74 assault rifle. The TKB-0146, one of the advanced assault rifles that took part in Project Abakan. Oh yeah, good you brought that up since I did plan on mentioning it but at least you saved me the effort; though there is the AEK-971 which surprisingly had been in the works since 1978 and IOTL just now got accepted in service in the mid 2010's, just under a different name:  And I bring this up because if WWIII was waging, this thing would be tested to hell and back, though maybe not completely replacing the AK-74 but at least be turning up on the front lines no less. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 6, 2016 19:50:49 GMT
What about the Soviet version of the Advanced Combat Rifle, Project Abakan, or Would the Soviets with World War III ongoing stick with the trustworthy AK-74 assault rifle. The TKB-0146, one of the advanced assault rifles that took part in Project Abakan. Oh yeah, good you brought that up since I did plan on mentioning it but at least you saved me the effort; though there is the AEK-971 which surprisingly had been in the works since 1978 and IOTL just now got accepted in service in the mid 2010's, just under a different name: And I bring this up because if WWIII was waging, this thing would be tested to hell and back, though maybe not completely replacing the AK-74 but at least be turning up on the front lines no less. So i manged to beat you with this Combat Rifle which looks a lot like this one, the British EM-2 rifle prototype from the 1950s.  |
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Post by kubocaskett on Aug 7, 2016 0:33:50 GMT
Oh yeah, good you brought that up since I did plan on mentioning it but at least you saved me the effort; though there is the AEK-971 which surprisingly had been in the works since 1978 and IOTL just now got accepted in service in the mid 2010's, just under a different name: And I bring this up because if WWIII was waging, this thing would be tested to hell and back, though maybe not completely replacing the AK-74 but at least be turning up on the front lines no less. So i manged to beat you with this Combat Rifle which looks a lot like this one, the British EM-2 rifle prototype from the 1950s. Well you did beat me to brining up the Akaban project and yeah the two rifles look pretty similar. Speaking of rifles I should make the obligatory mention of what Heckler and Koch of then West Germany has been testing in store and of course might have been in service had war broken out: The CAWS bullpup shotgun which ironically looks more like an assault rifle than a shotgun:  And of course the G11 assault rifle thingamabob:  fun fact: this thing was planned to have two variants alongside the well known assault rifle version: an LMG and a PDW. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 7, 2016 7:56:36 GMT
Lets introduce everbody to the Benelli CB M2, a e submachine gun of Italian conception degisned in the 1980s, do not know if it would enter into production with a World War III but it looks nice, found it on what looks like a nice looking website called: Forgotten Weapons.com |
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Post by kubocaskett on Aug 8, 2016 2:41:17 GMT
Lets introduce everbody to the Benelli CB M2, a e submachine gun of Italian conception degisned in the 1980s, do not know if it would enter into production with a World War III but it looks nice, found it on what looks like a nice looking website called: Forgotten Weapons.comMaybe, maybe not, but it depends on how Italy performs in WWIII; matter of fact in the Able Archer 83 TL Italy goes the way of WWII's France in being split into a NATO half and a WP half (though there was a "neutral" zone). And something tells me the guy who made that TL is a native Italian since he must know a lot about Italian politics at the time. Speaking of Italy, here is the LMG version of the AR70/90 that was being tested in the 80's, possibly could have seen an earlier version had WWIII happened in the early 80's:   |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 8, 2016 3:03:09 GMT
Lets introduce everbody to the Benelli CB M2, a e submachine gun of Italian conception degisned in the 1980s, do not know if it would enter into production with a World War III but it looks nice, found it on what looks like a nice looking website called: Forgotten Weapons.comMaybe, maybe not, but it depends on how Italy performs in WWIII; matter of fact in the Able Archer 83 TL Italy goes the way of WWII's France in being split into a NATO half and a WP half (though there was a "neutral" zone). And something tells me the guy who made that TL is a native Italian since he must know a lot about Italian politics at the time. Speaking of Italy, here is the LMG version of the AR70/90 that was being tested in the 80's, possibly could have seen an earlier version had WWIII happened in the early 80's: That is a nice looking LMG with what i think is a Beta C-Mag attached. |
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Post by kubocaskett on Aug 25, 2016 22:33:58 GMT
I found something interesting, a prototype ground attack aircraft named the IL-102:  No this thing wasn't made in the 50's but it was being made as late as 1982! And I say this due to its archaic design, what with having a second cockpit facing backwards and a gun turret in the back. I'm not really sure how this thing would have performed in wartime but I'm sure as hell it would have stumped NATO forces. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 26, 2016 1:48:50 GMT
I found something interesting, a prototype ground attack aircraft named the IL-102: No this thing wasn't made in the 50's but it was being made as late as 1982! And I say this due to its archaic design, what with having a second cockpit facing backwards and a gun turret in the back. I'm not really sure how this thing would have performed in wartime but I'm sure as hell it would have stumped NATO forces. If the Ilyushin Il-102 would have entered full production i would think that we never would have known the Sukhoi Su-25. |
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