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Post by futurist on Jul 4, 2016 7:56:40 GMT
What if Russian Empress Elizabeth would have lived at least 5-10 years longer in comparison to real life?
Indeed, any thoughts on this?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 4, 2016 14:08:40 GMT
What if Russian Empress Elizabeth would have lived at least 5-10 years longer in comparison to real life? Indeed, any thoughts on this? She has no children so here nephew, Peter of Holstein-Gottorp will still become emperor Peter III of Russia. |
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Post by stevep on Jul 4, 2016 17:01:25 GMT
What if Russian Empress Elizabeth would have lived at least 5-10 years longer in comparison to real life? Indeed, any thoughts on this? She has no children so here nephew, Peter of Holstein-Gottorp will still become emperor Peter III of Russia. Possibly what futurist is referring to was that without Peter's strong pro-Prussian sentiment Prussia might not have 'won' the 7 Years War? You could see it being decisively defeated, with Austria regaining Silesia and I think Russia wanted to annex East Prussia to trade it for Courtland with Poland. Those sets would gravely weaken Prussia, as well as the probably extra devastating from a longer war so it might not become a realistic challenger to Austria. Which would have huge butterflies. |
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Post by futurist on Jul 5, 2016 4:30:06 GMT
She has no children so here nephew, Peter of Holstein-Gottorp will still become emperor Peter III of Russia. Possibly what futurist is referring to was that without Peter's strong pro-Prussian sentiment Prussia might not have 'won' the 7 Years War? You could see it being decisively defeated, with Austria regaining Silesia and I think Russia wanted to annex East Prussia to trade it for Courtland with Poland. Those sets would gravely weaken Prussia, as well as the probably extra devastating from a longer war so it might not become a realistic challenger to Austria. Which would have huge butterflies. Yes, that's primarily what I am referring to here.  Also, out of curiosity: 1. Do you have a source for Russia wishing to trade East Prussia for Courland? 2. Would Poland still get partitioned in the late 18th century (in other words, in the late 1700s) in this scenario? If so, would Prussia still be a participant in the Partition(s) of Poland in this scenario? |
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Post by stevep on Jul 5, 2016 16:40:58 GMT
Possibly what futurist is referring to was that without Peter's strong pro-Prussian sentiment Prussia might not have 'won' the 7 Years War? You could see it being decisively defeated, with Austria regaining Silesia and I think Russia wanted to annex East Prussia to trade it for Courtland with Poland. Those sets would gravely weaken Prussia, as well as the probably extra devastating from a longer war so it might not become a realistic challenger to Austria. Which would have huge butterflies. Yes, that's primarily what I am referring to here. Also, out of curiosity: 1. Do you have a source for Russia wishing to trade East Prussia for Courland? 2. Would Poland still get partitioned in the late 18th century (in other words, in the late 1700s) in this scenario? If so, would Prussia still be a participant in the Partition(s) of Poland in this scenario? 1) Sorry but not to hand. Probably something I read in a libarary book a decade or more back. Been trawling up data from assorted sources for a long time but never that organised in remembering sources. 2) Good question. If Prussia got that badly stomped I suspect not. More likely the Wettins [in Saxony] who often won/bought the Polish crown in this period and the Hapsburgs would oppose such a move by Russia, possibly supported by Britain and Sweden at least. Although that might depend on events elsewhere. For instance what is the status of France? Has it had a revolution in which case it might be more of a distraction to the other powers. Or possible the ancient regime is still in power and seems strong which means there's another war brewing/occurring to prevent them getting too powerful. Of course a lot depends on events elsewhere. Britain may seek to aid Prussia more by agreeing to trade more of its gains, although the main eastern powers, Russia and Austria won't be that interested in such a deal. Britain is likely to be even more isolated post-war than OTL so does the American revolution still occur and with the same [basic] results? |
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