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Post by futurist on Jul 2, 2016 7:25:55 GMT
What if Charles III, Duke of Bourbon wouldn't have gotten killed in Rome in 1527 and would have instead lived the remainder of his life in exile (estranged from the French royal court), had a surviving son, and died around 1550? Also, to elaborate on this, in this scenario, this son of Charles's will still be alive when (assuming no butterfly effect in regards to this) the House of Valois will become completely extinct in the male line in 1589.
Thus, my question here is this--in this scenario, would this son of Charles's have the stronger claim (in the eyes of the French nobility, et cetera) to the French throne due to agnatic primogeniture and (presumably) his Catholicism or would Henry III, King of Navarre have the stronger claim to the French throne due to the fact that, unlike this son of Charles's, Henry was actually born a prince du sang (prince of the blood)?
Indeed, any thoughts on this?
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Post by futurist on Jul 5, 2016 5:10:21 GMT
Does anyone here know a lot about 1500s French history?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 5, 2016 14:38:03 GMT
Does anyone here know a lot about 1500s French history? Sorry, not a person that knows a lot of that very trouble time period.
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Post by cornelis on Jul 22, 2016 14:17:27 GMT
Legally speaking, nothing but the birth is relevant : Charles III de Bourbon is genealogically senior to Antoine de Bourbon-Vendôme, so any son of his is senior to Antoine's sons. But this pure legal vision is second to political considerations.
The first relevant point is the identity of his mother. If it is a member of a local dynasty, it can gives the heir legitimacy and eventually support. No one will argue with the existence or validity of the marriage if Charles' widow is an Habsburg princess. If he wed discretly a low-born or even a low-nobility woman, things are different.
The second one is religion. In a country torn by religious war, if the Bourbon heir is catholic, he will have the support of the Catholic party and likewise if he is protestant. Historically, the Catholics did recognize the uncle of Henri de Navarre (thus an evident junior member of the dynasty, genealogically speaking).
The third point is actual military power. Even if Charles' son is recognized in his father's lands and titles, he would have a little base of power, far less important than Henri de Navarre's large principalities (and regal title). Will it be enough in the event of a military struggle.
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