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Post by lordroel on Jun 21, 2016 14:53:19 GMT
So what would the Middle East look like if the Armenian State proposed during the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 came into reality.  |
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Post by stevep on Jun 21, 2016 16:01:52 GMT
I suspect it would have failed unless say a Russian government that survived supported it heavily, and/or some other powers really trash Turkey. Those borders are rather excessive and even before the 1915 massacres the Armenians would have been a minority in that territory. After the slaughter they would have formed a markedly smaller minority so are unlikely to be able to hold anything like that area without massive external support and probably a lot of ethnic cleansing at best and brutal slaughter as worse I fear.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 21, 2016 17:56:33 GMT
I suspect it would have failed unless say a Russian government that survived supported it heavily, and/or some other powers really trash Turkey. Those borders are rather excessive and even before the 1915 massacres the Armenians would have been a minority in that territory. After the slaughter they would have formed a markedly smaller minority so are unlikely to be able to hold anything like that area without massive external support and probably a lot of ethnic cleansing at best and brutal slaughter as worse I fear. I think that why it never happen, but still a nice map to look at. |
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Post by futurist on Jun 22, 2016 7:42:40 GMT
I suspect it would have failed unless say a Russian government that survived supported it heavily, and/or some other powers really trash Turkey. Those borders are rather excessive and even before the 1915 massacres the Armenians would have been a minority in that territory. After the slaughter they would have formed a markedly smaller minority so are unlikely to be able to hold anything like that area without massive external support and probably a lot of ethnic cleansing at best and brutal slaughter as worse I fear. Completely agreed. Heck, even the Yerevan Gubernia (which now makes up a large part of modern-day Armenia) was only 56% Armenian or so back in 1897! |
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Post by futurist on Jun 22, 2016 7:43:13 GMT
I suspect it would have failed unless say a Russian government that survived supported it heavily, and/or some other powers really trash Turkey. Those borders are rather excessive and even before the 1915 massacres the Armenians would have been a minority in that territory. After the slaughter they would have formed a markedly smaller minority so are unlikely to be able to hold anything like that area without massive external support and probably a lot of ethnic cleansing at best and brutal slaughter as worse I fear. I think that why it never happen, but still a nice map to look at. Turkish military force (under Ataturk) also prevented this map from becoming reality, though. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 22, 2016 15:18:03 GMT
I think that why it never happen, but still a nice map to look at. Turkish military force (under Ataturk) also prevented this map from becoming reality, though. That's why I mentioned the need for someone else to trash Turkey. Possibly a combination of powers prevent Ataturk preventing his forces gaining control over virtually all of Anatolia. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 22, 2016 15:31:36 GMT
I wonder what the Kurds responds will be, will the go on with thier struggle for independence but now fighting Armania instead of Turkey.
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Post by stevep on Jun 22, 2016 15:36:13 GMT
I wonder what the Kurds responds will be, will the go on with thier struggle for independence but now fighting Armania instead of Turkey. In a word yes. Especially since at least some reports detail Kurds amongst other groups supporting the genocide of Armenians earlier. Relations between the two groups aren't going to be good. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 22, 2016 16:05:52 GMT
I wonder what the Kurds responds will be, will the go on with thier struggle for independence but now fighting Armania instead of Turkey. In a word yes. Especially since at least some reports detail Kurds amongst other groups supporting the genocide of Armenians earlier. Relations between the two groups aren't going to be good. I think the Kurds and the Turks might be good friends i f there was ever a Armenian state. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 22, 2016 21:19:25 GMT
In a word yes. Especially since at least some reports detail Kurds amongst other groups supporting the genocide of Armenians earlier. Relations between the two groups aren't going to be good. I think the Kurds and the Turks might be good friends i f there was ever a Armenian state. Or possibly more accurately, while there is a large Armenian state. Once it gone they would very likely go back to fighting each other. |
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