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Post by futurist on Jun 19, 2016 2:19:24 GMT
What if a boy is born in place of the then-future Queen Victoria in 1819?
Any thoughts on this?
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Post by futurist on Jun 19, 2016 2:50:38 GMT
For the record, the personal union between Britain and Hanover will continue after 1837 in this scenario.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 7:03:53 GMT
What if a boy is born in place of the then-future Queen Victoria in 1819? Any thoughts on this? Do you have a name who we can call him. |
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Post by futurist on Jun 19, 2016 7:43:12 GMT
What if a boy is born in place of the then-future Queen Victoria in 1819? Any thoughts on this? Do you have a name who we can call him. Yes--Victor.  |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 8:00:17 GMT
Do you have a name who we can call him. Yes--Victor. But is a name not in the United kingdom who is born a boy either George or Edward, i do not think the name Victor will do as it is not a royal name. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 19, 2016 14:53:40 GMT
Yes--Victor. But is a name not in the United kingdom who is born a boy either George or Edward, i do not think the name Victor will do as it is not a royal name. I did read once that there was consideration of a boy being named Alexander, after the Russian Czar, although not sure why. As you say Victor, while it might seem obvious to us, would be rather out of place in Britain and I suspect if not Alexander then probably Edward, after his father. Given the poor relations between a lot of George III's son's I suspect being named after George IV is unlikely. As futurist says one key point is that the link with Hanover would survive, which could have a big impact on wars in Germany. Even through it is only a person link of a shared king, especially if Edward VII [as he might be] is a popular monarch any attempt by Prussia to annex Hanover as OTL could prompt a British reaction. The other big unknown is how a male monarch would affect developments in Britain? There would be no Albert, Prince Regent so his impact in helping to modernist elements of British society would be lacking. However a popular and vigorous young male king might perform that role, or might send Britain on a more authoritarian route, like a young George III. Plenty of butterflies here. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 14:58:41 GMT
But is a name not in the United kingdom who is born a boy either George or Edward, i do not think the name Victor will do as it is not a royal name. I did read once that there was consideration of a boy being named Alexander, after the Russian Czar, although not sure why. As you say Victor, while it might seem obvious to us, would be rather out of place in Britain and I suspect if not Alexander then probably Edward, after his father. Given the poor relations between a lot of George III's son's I suspect being named after George IV is unlikely. As futurist says one key point is that the link with Hanover would survive, which could have a big impact on wars in Germany. Even through it is only a person link of a shared king, especially if Edward VII [as he might be] is a popular monarch any attempt by Prussia to annex Hanover as OTL could prompt a British reaction. The other big unknown is how a male monarch would affect developments in Britain? There would be no Albert, Prince Regent so his impact in helping to modernist elements of British society would be lacking. However a popular and vigorous young male king might perform that role, or might send Britain on a more authoritarian route, like a young George III. Plenty of butterflies here. If he is named Edward it will be kinda strange as he will if succeeding become Edward VII the name used by OTL queen Victoria son. |
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Post by futurist on Jun 20, 2016 4:43:45 GMT
But is a name not in the United kingdom who is born a boy either George or Edward, i do not think the name Victor will do as it is not a royal name. 1. I did read once that there was consideration of a boy being named Alexander, after the Russian Czar, although not sure why. 2. As you say Victor, while it might seem obvious to us, would be rather out of place in Britain and I suspect if not Alexander then probably Edward, after his father. Given the poor relations between a lot of George III's son's I suspect being named after George IV is unlikely. 3. As futurist says one key point is that the link with Hanover would survive, which could have a big impact on wars in Germany. Even through it is only a person link of a shared king, especially if Edward VII [as he might be] is a popular monarch any attempt by Prussia to annex Hanover as OTL could prompt a British reaction. 4. The other big unknown is how a male monarch would affect developments in Britain? There would be no Albert, Prince Regent so his impact in helping to modernist elements of British society would be lacking. However a popular and vigorous young male king might perform that role, or might send Britain on a more authoritarian route, like a young George III. Plenty of butterflies here. 1. OK. 2. Victoria's grandson was named Albert Victor, though: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Albert_Victor,_Duke_of_Clarence_and_Avondale 3. So, do we see Otto von Bismarck trying to purchase Hanover from Britain in this scenario, or what? 4. Wasn't authoritarianism already out of style in Britain by the mid-1800s, though? Completely serious question, for the record. |
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Post by futurist on Jun 20, 2016 4:44:20 GMT
I did read once that there was consideration of a boy being named Alexander, after the Russian Czar, although not sure why. As you say Victor, while it might seem obvious to us, would be rather out of place in Britain and I suspect if not Alexander then probably Edward, after his father. Given the poor relations between a lot of George III's son's I suspect being named after George IV is unlikely. As futurist says one key point is that the link with Hanover would survive, which could have a big impact on wars in Germany. Even through it is only a person link of a shared king, especially if Edward VII [as he might be] is a popular monarch any attempt by Prussia to annex Hanover as OTL could prompt a British reaction. The other big unknown is how a male monarch would affect developments in Britain? There would be no Albert, Prince Regent so his impact in helping to modernist elements of British society would be lacking. However a popular and vigorous young male king might perform that role, or might send Britain on a more authoritarian route, like a young George III. Plenty of butterflies here. If he is named Edward it will be kinda strange as he will if succeeding become Edward VII the name used by OTL queen Victoria son. Strange things sometimes happen, though. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 20, 2016 21:57:28 GMT
1. I did read once that there was consideration of a boy being named Alexander, after the Russian Czar, although not sure why. 2. As you say Victor, while it might seem obvious to us, would be rather out of place in Britain and I suspect if not Alexander then probably Edward, after his father. Given the poor relations between a lot of George III's son's I suspect being named after George IV is unlikely. 3. As futurist says one key point is that the link with Hanover would survive, which could have a big impact on wars in Germany. Even through it is only a person link of a shared king, especially if Edward VII [as he might be] is a popular monarch any attempt by Prussia to annex Hanover as OTL could prompt a British reaction. 4. The other big unknown is how a male monarch would affect developments in Britain? There would be no Albert, Prince Regent so his impact in helping to modernist elements of British society would be lacking. However a popular and vigorous young male king might perform that role, or might send Britain on a more authoritarian route, like a young George III. Plenty of butterflies here. 1. OK. 2. Victoria's grandson was named Albert Victor, though: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Albert_Victor,_Duke_of_Clarence_and_Avondale 3. So, do we see Otto von Bismarck trying to purchase Hanover from Britain in this scenario, or what? 4. Wasn't authoritarianism already out of style in Britain by the mid-1800s, though? Completely serious question, for the record. I'm note sure Bismarck would have tried buying Hanover. Not sure its in his character or Prussia at that point would have the funds, Also strictly speaking, since its a personal union between Britain and Hanover he would have to buy it from the king rather than say the British Parliament. A lot might depend on Hanover's relations with the monarch, i.e. how popular he is and also as a result how strongly they identify as German or not? I think its more likely that the decision will be militarily as OTL. However that would be risky for Prussia, both because Hanover might be stronger in itself and more decisively if it prompted British intervention in any war between the Prussia and the other German states. Authoritarianism was on the way out but the monarch still had a lot of influence. Also a young and popular male monarch who is more interventionist, either in foreign affairs say or internal matters such as the plight of the poorer people could have a lot of support. Alternatively one who is too confident in his powers and reacts conservatively could prompt more violent pressure for reform and a lot of political turbulence. |
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