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Post by futurist on Jun 23, 2016 1:02:11 GMT
If you go for a pre-1900 POD have a longer 1812 conflict which ends up with an independent NEC [New England Confederation] and Britain getting a buffer Indian region in the old NW. Then have it not go in the favourable path of Weissaul's Damned Yankees and slavery become deeply embeded in the rump US. Couple this with say a British protectorate for freed slaves in Florida and Britain moving earlier to end slavery and deep hostility between it and the US. Hence any idea of ending slavery is viewed as anti-patriotic. Even then your unlikly to see slavery survive until the present day but you could see continued discimination against blacks at a much higher level lasting to the current day. Would a longer War of 1812 have actually went in Britain's favor, though? After all, Britain decisively lost the last battle of the War of 1812--the Battle of New Orleans!  |
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Post by futurist on Jun 23, 2016 1:02:37 GMT
Also, out of curiosity--from where exactly do you know WeisSaul, Steve?
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Post by stevep on Jun 23, 2016 16:40:30 GMT
If you go for a pre-1900 POD have a longer 1812 conflict which ends up with an independent NEC [New England Confederation] and Britain getting a buffer Indian region in the old NW. Then have it not go in the favourable path of Weissaul's Damned Yankees and slavery become deeply embeded in the rump US. Couple this with say a British protectorate for freed slaves in Florida and Britain moving earlier to end slavery and deep hostility between it and the US. Hence any idea of ending slavery is viewed as anti-patriotic. Even then your unlikly to see slavery survive until the present day but you could see continued discimination against blacks at a much higher level lasting to the current day. Would a longer War of 1812 have actually went in Britain's favor, though? After all, Britain decisively lost the last battle of the War of 1812--the Battle of New Orleans! That was one battle, which was badly mis-managed by the commanding officer. Britain, at least until Napoleon briefly returned, was able to concentrate its full power to the American war. It didn't largely because of war weariness and some continued concern about the situation in Europe but if the conflict had continued the US would have faced a much harder time of it. A much tighter blockade with the impact on the economy, including disrupting coastal traffic, more landings against coastal targets, the NE area in growing revolt against Washington. Also there is the potential problem of if the war continued into 1816 and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer then things will get very bad for a lot of areas. If not before this is virtually certain to cause revolt in New England and a lot of suffering elsewhere. In Britain and much of Europe as well but Britain has access to world trade and a lot of money. As such the longer the conflict goes on the worse its likely to become for the US and your likely to see both independence for New England and the establishment of an Indian buffer state under British protection in the Great Lakes area. Both would cut the current or future free states, hence giving the states in which slavery was economically very important a big advantage, especially in the Senate. |
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Post by futurist on Jul 2, 2016 22:12:20 GMT
Would a longer War of 1812 have actually went in Britain's favor, though? After all, Britain decisively lost the last battle of the War of 1812--the Battle of New Orleans! That was one battle, which was badly mis-managed by the commanding officer. Britain, at least until Napoleon briefly returned, was able to concentrate its full power to the American war. It didn't largely because of war weariness and some continued concern about the situation in Europe but if the conflict had continued the US would have faced a much harder time of it. A much tighter blockade with the impact on the economy, including disrupting coastal traffic, more landings against coastal targets, the NE area in growing revolt against Washington. Also there is the potential problem of if the war continued into 1816 and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer then things will get very bad for a lot of areas. If not before this is virtually certain to cause revolt in New England and a lot of suffering elsewhere. In Britain and much of Europe as well but Britain has access to world trade and a lot of money. As such the longer the conflict goes on the worse its likely to become for the US and your likely to see both independence for New England and the establishment of an Indian buffer state under British protection in the Great Lakes area. Both would cut the current or future free states, hence giving the states in which slavery was economically very important a big advantage, especially in the Senate. Fair enough, I suppose. Indeed, the pressure really did began to significantly increase from the U.S. starting from 1814.  |
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