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Post by ukron on Jun 10, 2024 15:33:43 GMT
Hi everyone. I decided to create a thread to talk about uchronic tanks and armored vehicles that could be used in a conventional conflict between NATO and the USSR in the 1980s.
The Teledyne Continental High Performance “Super M60” prototype during testing at Quantico, Virginia, in October 1981.  In short, the “Super M60” was an upgrade of the M60 offered by the General Products division of Teledyne Continental Motors. It offered increased levels of armored protection, a much more powerful engine, an improved transmission, a lower cupola, while incorporating the AN/VVS-2 thermal imaging system and AN/VVG-2 laser rangefinder of the M60A3 TTS. Only one prototype was built, due to a lack of orders or interest at national and international level.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jun 11, 2024 4:56:06 GMT
www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/m60-tank-upgrades-super-m60-m60-2000-etc.7417/Nice looking vehicle for the mid 1980s but any WW3 at that time would be a bit of a 'come as you are' scenario, without enough time for conversion or new production to have any impact. To that end, what does the Super M60 offer that the M1A1 does not? Not a great deal, plus it has a 105mm gun vs a 120mm one. The plans for the time didn't have sufficient capacity to support a protracted conventional conflict, with some states such as Britain, holding enough for barely a week. The 'UK Battlefield Attrition Study/ Review of Ammunition Rates and Scales' were 'based on expenditures during the Yom Kippur War' and comprised 'what the UK thought you needed for 8 days of war at 100% strength and a further 2 days at 40 % strength'. After that point, things go nuclear. Even the more considerable NATO Stock Planning Guidance levels were based on a 30 day war. Not even the United States had production systems sufficient to have any effect upon that short a war.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 11, 2024 17:53:31 GMT
Would the Black Eagle (tank) fit in this category, a prototype main battle tank based upon the T-80U.  |
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Post by simon darkshade on Jun 12, 2024 3:37:52 GMT
Late 1990s development for a 1980s thread...non starter.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 12, 2024 3:40:27 GMT
Late 1990s development for a 1980s thread...non starter. a toughed as it said, designed in the 1980s, it would fit the thread. |
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Post by ukron on Jun 12, 2024 15:44:10 GMT
Is it just me or is the driver's seat probably the most luxurious and comfortable I've ever seen on a tank?
Bloody Brits know how to live.
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Post by ukron on Jun 13, 2024 15:16:04 GMT
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 14, 2024 12:30:00 GMT
Don't forget this one too:
The Jaguar; Almost the Joint Chinese/American Main Battle Tank
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Post by ukron on Jun 14, 2024 15:01:41 GMT
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Post by ukron on Jun 15, 2024 14:54:30 GMT
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Post by ukron on Jun 16, 2024 15:29:52 GMT
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Post by ukron on Jun 17, 2024 15:06:52 GMT
"The Swiss were using British Centurions after WW2 as they initially lacked the ability to develop their own tanks until the late 50’s when they came up with the Panzer 58, which was armed with a Swiss 90mm main gun.
The Pz 58 never entered production but was further developed in to the Pz 61. 150 were manufactured by RUAG Land Systems and entered service with only the Swiss Army in 1965. It was eventually replaced by the Pz 68.
The Pz 68 was an upgraded Pz 61 with a new higher turret. Manufactured by Eidgenössische Konstruktionswerkstätte Thun, it entered service in 1971. It retained the same firepower and level of protection, but had an improved MTU MB-837, which generated 660hp.
A total of 390 were built, but hit the headlines due to some major defects of the vehicle and it was even deemed not fit for combat. The problems with the vehicle were ironed out when nearly 200 where upgraded to the Pz 68/88.
The NKPz was a proposed new revolutionary design by 1970’s standards which had features now used by todays 3rd Generation tanks such as the Israeli Merkava and French Leclerc.
The design utilized the Rheinmetall L44 120mm smoothbore (as used on the Leopard 2) with an autoloader. The autoloaders ammunition storage was set at the rear of the turret bustle, just like the French Leclerc and could reportedly store 44 rounds of various types. IT had a coaxial Machine Gun and second mounted on the commanders cupola.
The vehicle design was by Swiss Firm Contraves in the 1970’s. The vehicle never entered production and Switzerland went on to licence manufacturer their own version of the Leopard 2A4, designated the Pz 87."
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Post by ukron on Jun 24, 2024 14:07:40 GMT
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Post by ukron on Jun 25, 2024 21:15:15 GMT
ATAC Sytem Demonstrator, aka Thumper and CATTB's 3d model. " The ATAC Sytem demonstrator (Thumper) only got built in 1988 to test the ATAC system which includes: The XM291 in both 120mm and 140mm tube configurations, XM91 auto loader, rearm port in the turret rear and a stub case ejector. They tested 3 versions of the 120mm tube in 3 different lengths, L/55, L/44 and one between them. The penultimate pic shows the CATTB's definitive 3d model without the armor mobules installed. In the 3d model theres a rearm port, a stub case ejector right behind the XM291's breach, and a hole for the MTAS. The last pic shows the CATTB's front armor modules and the side armor modules. "   
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Post by ukron on Jun 28, 2024 16:32:28 GMT
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