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Post by lordroel on Mar 18, 2016 12:17:33 GMT
I always wonder if the Quasi-War of 1798 to 1800 between the United States of America and the French Republic would look like if it had turn into a flown blow war between them, would the United States invade French Louisiana or any French Caribbean possession, would the young French Republic try to launch a invasion of the United states and what would the United kingdom do, side with its former colony, side with the young French Republic or stay neutral. |
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Post by stevep on Mar 18, 2016 20:52:54 GMT
I always wonder if the Quasi-War of 1798 to 1800 between the United States of America and the French Republic would look like if it had turn into a flown blow war between them, would the United States invade French Louisiana or any French Caribbean possession, would the young French Republic try to launch a invasion of the United states and what would the United kingdom do, side with its former colony, side with the young French Republic or stay neutral. Lordroel They couldn't attack Louisiana without a dow on Spain as it was Spanish between 1763 and 1803. However the French and Spanish were allied during this period. Also Britain was at war with French until the Peace of Amiens, 25-3-1802 so was actively at war with France most of this period. Britain had occupied most of the French Carribean colonies I think then returned most of them as part of the treaty. Which meant we had to start retaking them when the war resumed the following year! If the Quasi War had become a full blown fighting conflict then there might have been more co-operation between the UK and US although I'm not sure how far this would have gone. If the US has sought to seize Louisana then this would have meant war with Spain and presuming Britain and France still makes peace this could potentially result in France resuming a war with the US over Louisiana, which could be bad for the US then again for any French forces in the region when Britain and France enter a state of war again, which would probably be pretty certain to happen. Steve |
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Post by lordroel on Mar 18, 2016 23:01:04 GMT
I always wonder if the Quasi-War of 1798 to 1800 between the United States of America and the French Republic would look like if it had turn into a flown blow war between them, would the United States invade French Louisiana or any French Caribbean possession, would the young French Republic try to launch a invasion of the United states and what would the United kingdom do, side with its former colony, side with the young French Republic or stay neutral. Lordroel They couldn't attack Louisiana without a dow on Spain as it was Spanish between 1763 and 1803. However the French and Spanish were allied during this period. Also Britain was at war with French until the Peace of Amiens, 25-3-1802 so was actively at war with France most of this period. Britain had occupied most of the French Carribean colonies I think then returned most of them as part of the treaty. Which meant we had to start retaking them when the war resumed the following year! If the Quasi War had become a full blown fighting conflict then there might have been more co-operation between the UK and US although I'm not sure how far this would have gone. If the US has sought to seize Louisana then this would have meant war with Spain and presuming Britain and France still makes peace this could potentially result in France resuming a war with the US over Louisiana, which could be bad for the US then again for any French forces in the region when Britain and France enter a state of war again, which would probably be pretty certain to happen. Steve So if it is a full war than the United States cannot invade the French Caribbean colonies because they are already being occupied by the British and cannot invade Louisiana because it is Spanish, this means the United states has verry few gains to make in a war. |
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Post by stevep on Mar 18, 2016 23:33:10 GMT
Lordroel They couldn't attack Louisiana without a dow on Spain as it was Spanish between 1763 and 1803. However the French and Spanish were allied during this period. Also Britain was at war with French until the Peace of Amiens, 25-3-1802 so was actively at war with France most of this period. Britain had occupied most of the French Carribean colonies I think then returned most of them as part of the treaty. Which meant we had to start retaking them when the war resumed the following year! If the Quasi War had become a full blown fighting conflict then there might have been more co-operation between the UK and US although I'm not sure how far this would have gone. If the US has sought to seize Louisana then this would have meant war with Spain and presuming Britain and France still makes peace this could potentially result in France resuming a war with the US over Louisiana, which could be bad for the US then again for any French forces in the region when Britain and France enter a state of war again, which would probably be pretty certain to happen. Steve So if it is a full war than the United States cannot invade the French Caribbean colonies because they are already being occupied by the British and cannot invade Louisiana because it is Spanish, this means the United states has verry few gains to make in a war. They might be able to grab one or two if them move quickly but from the Wiki entry they started off with pretty much no navy and only really had frigates to hunt down privateers so escorting any invasion force could be rather risky. Although with British successes prior to this there might not be much French navy in the region to oppose them. Ditto they might seek to expand the war to Spain to enable them to attack Louisiana, but that is an extra opponent. Either way if the Amiens Peace still occurs it potentially leaves the US exposed to French/Spanish retaliation. Which could be pretty devastating while Britain is neutral. Steve |
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Post by lordroel on Mar 19, 2016 7:26:31 GMT
So if it is a full war than the United States cannot invade the French Caribbean colonies because they are already being occupied by the British and cannot invade Louisiana because it is Spanish, this means the United states has verry few gains to make in a war. They might be able to grab one or two if them move quickly but from the Wiki entry they started off with pretty much no navy and only really had frigates to hunt down privateers so escorting any invasion force could be rather risky. Although with British successes prior to this there might not be much French navy in the region to oppose them. Ditto they might seek to expand the war to Spain to enable them to attack Louisiana, but that is an extra opponent. Either way if the Amiens Peace still occurs it potentially leaves the US exposed to French/Spanish retaliation. Which could be pretty devastating while Britain is neutral. Steve I wonder if the United States will join the United Kingdom in any coalition after the Amiens Peace or whatever it is called here has been signed, would be cool to have the United States and the United Kingdom fight alongside in the War of the Third Coalition (1803 to 1806) because in this war Spain is a French ally and thus if the United States has prepared after the end of the French-american War can invade French Louisiana. |
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Post by stevep on Mar 19, 2016 14:05:46 GMT
They might be able to grab one or two if them move quickly but from the Wiki entry they started off with pretty much no navy and only really had frigates to hunt down privateers so escorting any invasion force could be rather risky. Although with British successes prior to this there might not be much French navy in the region to oppose them. Ditto they might seek to expand the war to Spain to enable them to attack Louisiana, but that is an extra opponent. Either way if the Amiens Peace still occurs it potentially leaves the US exposed to French/Spanish retaliation. Which could be pretty devastating while Britain is neutral. Steve I wonder if the United States will join the United Kingdom in any coalition after the Amiens Peace or whatever it is called here has been signed, would be cool to have the United States and the United Kingdom fight alongside in the War of the Third Coalition (1803 to 1806) because in this war Spain is a French ally and thus if the United States has prepared after the end of the French-american War can invade French Louisiana. , Possibly but doubtful I suspect. Its still only a generation since Britain and the rebels were at each other's throats and there are still a number of other issues between them. Also Washington's push to avoid 'entangling alliances' despite the alliance with French being vital to their existence is a powerful factor. I could see them, if war was still ongoing with France/Spain seeking to attack Louisiana again if they haven't done in an earlier conflict, probably also Florida as its still Spanish at this point. Steve |
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Post by lordroel on Mar 19, 2016 14:24:17 GMT
I wonder if the United States will join the United Kingdom in any coalition after the Amiens Peace or whatever it is called here has been signed, would be cool to have the United States and the United Kingdom fight alongside in the War of the Third Coalition (1803 to 1806) because in this war Spain is a French ally and thus if the United States has prepared after the end of the French-american War can invade French Louisiana. , Possibly but doubtful I suspect. Its still only a generation since Britain and the rebels were at each other's throats and there are still a number of other issues between them. Also Washington's push to avoid 'entangling alliances' despite the alliance with French being vital to their existence is a powerful factor. I could see them, if war was still ongoing with France/Spain seeking to attack Louisiana again if they haven't done in an earlier conflict, probably also Florida as its still Spanish at this point. Steve So a 2nd French-America war during the time frame of the War of the Third Coalition but the United States being a co-belligerence instead of being a member of the Coalition. |
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Post by stevep on Mar 19, 2016 19:36:25 GMT
Yes I think the US is far more likely to be co-belligerences than allies. That was their attitude as late as 1917-18 after all.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 19, 2016 21:10:53 GMT
Yes I think the US is far more likely to be co-belligerences than allies. That was their attitude as late as 1917-18 after all. Steve So the 1st French-American War can be a more bloody version of the OTL Quasi-War and the 2nd French-American War (the United States is of course out for blood and the fact that Spain is a French ally only helps) will see the United States invade French Louisiana and Spanish Florida in the war (the 2nd French-American War will probably also end around the same period when the War of the Third Coalition ended in 1806 but with the United States signing a separate peace deal with the French and Spanish governments allowing the United States to keep occupied French Louisiana and Spanish Florida for them self as neither countries have the means to get them back), i wonder if the War of 1812 will still happen as the United States has more combat experience and it territory has grown also much. |
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