The history of food and there story

I think the big point that Roel is trying to get across is that

“Video from YouTube + Effectively Riffing off it on a Tangent” isn’t quite what he’d like for here. I can follow the flow of your ideas and reactions here, but they do have that stream of consciousness character found more often in verbal conversation. I understand you make use of speech to text stuff on occasion, which makes sense.

What I’d suggest, which I believe I’ve mentioned before, is to split up posts with mini headings and try and group your ideas by them. As a development of that, adding the YouTube videos at the end of a section, to illustrate what you’ve been talking about, for example, would improve the clarity of your posts to Lordroel’s tastes and requirements for his place here.

There is a point in what you have written that is wriggling about trying to get out, but it is a bit stuck at the moment. The history of what foods are eaten for breakfast is influenced, in addition to other factors, by the amount of time that a housewife might have ( a la the 1950s), which is different from today, but also from a couple of generations before that when domestic servants were still a factor for some. I think the point that we can discuss from here, to sort of ‘straighten things out’ is

‘How has the structure, size and style of meals changed in the last 75 years and why has this occurred?’

That encompasses the shift in breakfast, as well as being a sufficiently Open Question as to allow every interested member to post on it should they wish.

Okay, one final attempt to get this thread focus on the history of food.

Something you can wake me up for, Mac And Cheese.

How Mac And Cheese Became an All-American Dish

Weird History Food is serving you a big cheesy bowl of the history of Mac and Cheese. Macaroni and cheese goes back in history well beyond the Kraft Mac & Cheese that every kid in America grew up eating. From the 14th Century on, we'll follow the cheesy history of macaroni and cheese, all the way up to the current Easy Mac microwaveable dish. Now the real question is: Kraft Mac 'n Cheese, or, Velveeta shells and cheese?

Take and make a thynne foyle of dowh, and kerue it on pieces, and cast hym on boiling water & seeþ it wele. Take chese and grate it, and butter imelte, cast bynethen and abouven as losyns; and serue forth

A receipt for 'Makerouns' from the c. 1390 Forme of Cury. English recipes also can be found in the mid 1700s. It is thought that the origin of the dish was from medieval Italy, and thence to England.

The Decline of the American Meat Pie Part 2

Disclaimer: this article isn't here to bash one's food or prove one nation's food is better than the rest. In fact when I go to different countries I wish my food to be different than my own country's cuisine

Introduction
The first essay discusses the long and various ways American pie became nearly extinct until perhaps a resurgence thanks to Mari Calendar's frozen meat pies. It was in the food preference and what you were eating section.


I first theorized that the American Revolution had a gradual impact, as this allowed groundwork to be established that America was no longer going to be Britain's colonies.

While I believe no single factor caused this decline, the rapid growth of the American sugar refining industry, as presented in the essay previously, is undoubtedly one of the major contributing factors, perhaps the most critical factor argued in the series of essays.
This essay mentions factors that have not been mentioned or emphasized enough.


Cultural differences not directly relating to history

As previously stated, food is more expensive in Europe, mainly the UK, than in the USA; this would decrease the need to add extra calories when in the
19th century Europe: several famines occurred in Europe in the 1600s-1800s

The European continent will focus more on feeding its people through meat pies. In contrast, the United States enjoys food surplus for its inhabitants, who could enjoy dessert pies more frequently. After all, New England was once known as the American pie Belt, whose inhabitants would find themselves settlers of all regions of America in time. To name a few examples, General Putnam led Yankee settlers to Kentucky, so New Englanders went to the southern colonies during the colonial period, and of course, the western expansion where my somewhere great grandparent was from Masschutes who settled as a sooner settler during the Oklahoma land rush.

www.femalefirst.co.uk/lifestyle/britain-obsessed-with-pies-1099858.html

If meat pies were around every corner for British schoolchildren growing up, this would prove that British society is obsessed with meat pies, at least if they are going to charge American society, which is obsessed with sugar pies. The author isn't saying British society is obsessed with pies unless the reader does believe that Americans are obsessed with sugary pies because it's what Americans know as a dessert, not a meal.
However, given the United Kingdom's food history, the British preference for meat pies cannot be blamed.

Great Britain has an infamous reputation and history for not being an excellent cooks. It's one of the countries with the worst cooking, explains Internationals who have tasted British dining who are not the only complainers, as the people of Britain themselves can sometimes be even more hostile to their cooking! However, it still would not be fair to say that everyone in Britain's cooking skills is inept or has low-standard recipe books,

after all, people have different opinions of taste. Where the United States has a much broader selection of comfort food, Britain appears to be more limited list except when it comes to their savory pies, and savory pudding, they have fish and chips, beans and toast, mashed potatoes, and sausage as their comfort food.

As previously discussed, the United States has developed a wide range of comfort foods since the American Revolution. We have macaroni,BBQ, burgers, Meat Loaf, and innumerable ethnic foods to choose from, including various types of stews and soups. There is also a long list of Southern comfort foods and other American joys.
www.delish.com/cooking/g1823/southern-inspired-recipes/

Something that I think is very possible is that immigration decreased the Desire for meat pies as many different dishes will be added to the American menu, decreasing more traditional British dishes. Perhaps it would be better to state the British origins of American cuisine.

However, I already mentioned that the American Revolution would have changed American diets and caused mass immigration from other countries.

An interesting thing from my personal life is that a few times, I’ve had Marie Calendar chicken pot pies for lunch during Christmas or Thanksgiving because I associate them with festive time. In the mid-19th century, having a chicken pot pie for Thanksgiving in New England would’ve been much more common. However, in the mid-19th century, the United States did not have a uniform Thanksgiving date as it was a bit of a made-up holiday.
Old Thanksgiving
Direct history of food

It was very fashionable in the 18th century to have meat pies; it makes me wonder if meat pies declined in Europe with the invention of proper refrigeration. It seems another factor why meat pies could have declined in the USA or another reason for their near extinction.


In my visit to the Quincy, Illinois, agricultural museum, the curator, a retired farmer who grew up during the Great Depression, noted that you had to be careful about meat spoilage; ironically, despite growing up with Amish kids in high school, he didn't know of a meat pie until after Marie Callender. Soups and other meals are sometimes used for this method.

[from Wikipedia]
American cooks stripped many European elements to create a dish representative of post-Revolution values like thrift and moderation. Leftover chickens and turkeys were turned into pies layered with dumplings.[54]
When American pies were typically only available From leftovers and a nation that had plentiful food this would have gradual decline of meat pies need to mimic England. Except during the Thanksgiving and Christmas season.

Chicken pie became an essential dish at Thanksgiving meals, featured in Sarah Josepha Hale's novel Northwood: Life North and South:[6]
This pie, which is wholly formed of the choicest parts of fowls, enriched and seasoned with a profusion of butter and pepper, and covered with an excellent puff paste is, like celebrated pumpkin pie, an indispensable part of a good and true Yankee Thanksgiving

Edward Everett Hale wrote that "...there was no other day on which we had four kinds of pies on the table and plum pudding beside, not to say chicken pie."[6][55]
Harrier Beecher Stowe wrote in Old Town Folks:[6]
In winter's doldrums, chicken pies became a respite from the numbing similitude of preserved meats, baked beans and brown bread suppers. The fresh cheer that chicken pies brought to the winter dark and their rekindling of holiday celebrations cemented their place in our regional cuisine.
In Esther Allen Howland's 19th-century cookbook, chicken pie appears on a menu for Thanksgiving dinner made with parboiled chicken and gravy.[6]

Chicken pie became an essential dish at Thanksgiving meals, featured in Sarah Josepha Hale's novel Northwood: Life North and South:[3]
This pie, which is wholly formed of the choicest parts of fowls, enriched and seasoned with a profusion of butter and pepper, and covered with an excellent puff paste is, like celebrated pumpkin pie, an indispensable part of a good and true Yankee Thanksgiving
American cooks stripped many of the European elements to create a dish representative of post-Revolution values like thrift and moderation. Leftover chickens and turkeys were turned into pies layered with dumplings.[51]

When meat pies are only associated with the leftovers of a meal when a country has a bountiful amount of food or are used during Thanksgiving, they won’t be as common, especially when people also say pies with sugar.

Interestingly enough, the French Canadian American immigrant in 1866 invented the casserole, but other big dishes existed ages prior to this invention. Well, the meat pie in the US diet mainly declined much earlier, but this seems to be an attributing factor.

Late 19th century pie declined

Although I’ve already discussed native prejudice being a possibility of the decline of the meat pie this accompanies with the prohibition movement movement.
Health reformers noted that eating pies was unhealthy. This tells us something already: since the mid-19th century, Americans have associated sugary pies with pies. It is doubtful that they were referring to meal pies, as Americans did plenty of hard labor during the 19th century, and obesity was not an issue. But too much sugar is bad for you, especially when America enjoys the prosperity of having as many sugar pies as they want to eat!
www.coreyleewrenn.com/the-surprising-history-of-john-harvey-kellogg-and-his-war-on-meat/
Interesting fact: Henry Ford was also a vegetarian and wished others would adapt to his lifestyle, although not with the same zeal as the Kellogg brothers.
www.friendsofdalnavert.ca/blog/2023/3/14/pie-hating
With the health campaign against pies, this would further hurt America’s meat pies, but the sugar pies would survive. In American Hollywood,0 literature and art pies are typically seen as sweet pies.
The one time I heard of a chicken pot pie mentioned in American Hollywood was the movie 30 Seconds over Tokyo 1944 movie where the airmen of Virginia told his fellow airmen to bring him back a pot pie (from the chow hall)
In American cartoons ranging from Mickey Mouse, Tom and Jerry, Pot pie the Sailor Man pies are a dessert food
The one person I knew who one man who grew up with homemade chicken pot pie during the 1950s, was, in fact,his family pnslavanian Dutch (Amish Moravian type )who currently is a Baptist pastor of a church. North Carolina grew up with both north and south cultural features.

It’s ironic how convenience actually popularized American chicken pot with the frozen chicken pot pie rather than destroyed it. Straw

Conclusion
The American Revolution ended the need for Americans to emulate the British old ways and allowed great cuisine and American inventions. The most significant factor would have been America's sugar industry, which simultaneously was met with waves of immigration from many different countries, allowing a buffet of what Americans wished to eat.

As the meat pie was shown to be a rarity, As they only had it had it for special occasions by the mid 19th century . The meat pie went almost extinct in the United States, where health advocates campaign against pies and perhaps different cooking methods. During this time food preservation methods were already being introduced, further decreasing the need for such pies.

I wish to finish my thoughts on American pie to discuss the Great Depression of food later. As mentioned, American meat pie gained a small revival in the American population during the Great Depression. Still, the public mostly remained ignorant of meat pie during the Great Depression.

Casseroles became popular during the Great Depression and were a little stereotyped in the 1950s, but this is owed to their previous popularity during the Great Depression. Fast food also had links in the 1920s; it was the Great Depression that helped their growth as quick and cheap meals. Later, casseroles symbolized the 1950s era of burgers, shakes, malts, and hot dogs.

I remember chicken dumplings being a favorite growing up for the agricultural museum curator. He grew up in southern Iwoia and got electricity during the 1930s thanks to FDR's desire to expand the grid to the countryside. This influenced his eating habits, such as eating with electric lights and better food preservation methods thanks to fridges.

This posting will discuss the cuisine people ate before America entered WW2. A list of these foods, such as the peanut butter mayo sandwich, was forgotten, as most people would probably agree they are not the best combinations.

As I'm looking through this video, I notice it feeds better to be a farmer (provided you dont lose that farm) r as some of these dishes are barmy I thought one of my family members farmed during the late 30s ill have to call and get the full story

Another dish that gained popularity was jello, a dessert made from bones and animal fat! It is no wonder why jello counted to be popular during the 50s as they were not rationed in WW2, and it was cheap as they grew up with it from the 30s. I

During the Great Depression, my great-grandparents ate a lot of beans, cornbread rice, biscuits, and sliced bread, which they had more in common. I will be sure to give my grandparents a phone call, but my grandparents were not around for the great depression, at least for their memories, as they were too young.

I would be adding an opinion on what I thought of British cuisine however I will have this if British cuisine before the world wars wasn’t supper it would decline with rationing.



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One of the big reasons why British cuisine isn’t 5 stars has to do with Britain’s effects from the Second ww2 who suffered horribly under rationing. While there are a long list of reasons that sometimes contradict ththemselves that British people have tried to explain why they are not skilled cooks such as the French. Rationing is the best example along with the decline of the British empire. As I am listening to the video just when I thought peanut butter bread was unusual this bread Takes the cake!

I am not an expert on British cuisine nor do I need to be one as many of my fellow Americans who I know personally had taste of their British food and did not care but for spam to be so commonly eaten for such a long time does not say good things about their culinary achievement as it was mention to be in quite a bit during the 1960s . Fortunately The United States did not suffer so severely from rationing and some Americans were already used to making food stretch .