lordroel
Administrator
Posts: 64,932 
Likes: 46,076
|
Post by lordroel on Mar 7, 2016 15:49:26 GMT
A not so friendly alien space bat using his power delays world War II until September 1st 1940 when Germany invades Poland, all the developments, designs and things like ships, tanks and planes under construction are still going as OTL (example: in 1942 instead of 1941 when Japan strikes Pearl Harbor they have the use of 2 Hiyō-class aircraft carriers extra to strike with).
Like the Rise and Fall of the Empire of Canada thread everybody can ask me any question about WW-46 verse as i call it and i try to answer them so we can flesh it out (ships, planes, tanks and other military question would be appreciated).
|
|
|
|
Post by perfectgeneral on Mar 11, 2016 20:36:22 GMT
So France faces more Pz38, PzIII and PZIV?
More Me109?
How prepared are the Allies given this extra time to rearm? No extra armour plate from Czechoslovakia as that goes ahead at the same time as OTL.
Was Poland awaiting any equipment imports?
|
|
lordroel
Administrator
Posts: 64,932
Likes: 46,076
|
Post by lordroel on Mar 11, 2016 20:47:34 GMT
So France faces more Pz38, PzIII and PZIV? I think more Panzer IVs but the French have in 1941 the Char B1 ter heavy tank and maybe in some limit numbers the Char G1 medium tank, but if the French use thier tanks the same way as in OTL, even with new tanks they will still lose. And some new version maybe as well. How prepared are the Allies given this extra time to rearm? No extra armour plate from Czechoslovakia as that goes ahead at the same time as OTL. Depends a year give the allies if they are prepared some more hardware to trow against the Germans. Was Poland awaiting any equipment imports? Not that i can find right now. |
|
|
|
Post by lukedalton on Feb 11, 2018 14:08:56 GMT
Well, a little better for Italy as there is more time to prepare the armed forces (Benny agreed to a general war not early of 42/43) but the Italian DoW will be as OTL dependendent of how well Germany perform.
Waiting will mean that things will be worse for Germany (due to the economy risking a crash) and Japan (continued war in China that waste men, money and resources).
Better for the Wallies that had more time to prepare for the war but also have a total different political leaderships as Chamberlain by the time Poland it's invaded will be dead and it's very probable that Deladier will not the French prime minister.
Same for the USA, with the little late war Roosevelt can feel less motivated to run for a third time (a big political taboo in american politics)
The Winter War happen as scheduled or even her it's delayed, as without the war with Germany there is the strong possibility that Operation Pike will be a go.
|
|
lordroel
Administrator
Posts: 64,932
Likes: 46,076
|
Post by lordroel on Feb 11, 2018 14:41:15 GMT
Well, a little better for Italy as there is more time to prepare the armed forces (Benny agreed to a general war not early of 42/43) but the Italian DoW will be as OTL dependendent of how well Germany perform. Waiting will mean that things will be worse for Germany (due to the economy risking a crash) and Japan (continued war in China that waste men, money and resources). Better for the Wallies that had more time to prepare for the war but also have a total different political leaderships as Chamberlain by the time Poland it's invaded will be dead and it's very probable that Deladier will not the French prime minister. Same for the USA, with the little late war Roosevelt can feel less motivated to run for a third time (a big political taboo in american politics) The Winter War happen as scheduled or even her it's delayed, as without the war with Germany there is the strong possibility that Operation Pike will be a go. Italy could still be invaded in 1943 and the war on the Italian mainland becoming something like a frozen conflict. |
|
|
|
Post by lukedalton on Feb 11, 2018 15:20:23 GMT
Depend, as i said Italy enter the war on Germany side is dependent by that Fall of France, otherwise Benny will stay on the sideline...and adding an year of preparation for the italians armed forces mean a lot:
- more fortification and weapon for East-Africa
- Taranto anti-torpedo net more developed
- possibility of having a functional radar (not a given but the war basically stopped the research)
- Infantry being equipped with a better version of the Carcano and with the Armaguerra 39 (semiautomatic rifle)
- Air force having as frontile plane the Mc201 and the G.50bis
|
|
lordroel
Administrator
Posts: 64,932
Likes: 46,076
|
Post by lordroel on Feb 11, 2018 15:23:30 GMT
Depend, as i said Italy enter the war on Germany side is dependent by that Fall of France, otherwise Benny will stay on the sideline...and adding an year of preparation for the italians armed forces mean a lot: - more fortification and weapon for East-Africa - Taranto anti-torpedo net more developed - possibility of having a functional radar (not a given but the war basically stopped the research) - Infantry being equipped with a better version of the Carcano and with the Armaguerra 39 (semiautomatic rifle) - Air force having as frontile plane the Mc201 and the G.50bis Can we add the Carro Armato P 40 tank to this list. |
|
|
|
Post by lukedalton on Feb 11, 2018 15:56:08 GMT
Only if Benny and co. kill the entire Ansaldo management and replace them with someone even just mildly incompetent
|
|
lordroel
Administrator
Posts: 64,932
Likes: 46,076
|
Post by lordroel on Feb 11, 2018 16:01:46 GMT
Only if Benny and co. kill the entire Ansaldo management and replace them with someone even just mildly incompetent Was it so bad tank design then, but Italy also could get a license right to produce the Panzer IV in Italy, doubt they need a Panther ore Tiger I ore II, unless Benny needs a ego boost in having some of them. |
|
|
|
Post by eurowatch on Feb 11, 2018 16:05:51 GMT
A not so friendly alien space bat using his power delays world War II until September 1st 1940 when Germany invades Poland, all the developments, designs and things like ships, tanks and planes under construction are still going as OTL (example: in 1942 instead of 1941 when Japan strikes Pearl Harbor they have the use of 2 Hiyō-class aircraft carriers extra to strike with). Like the Rise and Fall of the Empire of Canada thread everybody can ask me any question about WW-46 verse as i call it and i try to answer them so we can flesh it out (ships, planes, tanks and other military question would be appreciated). One Development I could see is that during the bombing of Pearl Harbor, the Japanese also destroy the fuel depots on the island. If they decide to do that it Will cripple American naval activities in the Pacific for the next months. |
|
lordroel
Administrator
Posts: 64,932
Likes: 46,076
|
Post by lordroel on Feb 11, 2018 16:07:58 GMT
A not so friendly alien space bat using his power delays world War II until September 1st 1940 when Germany invades Poland, all the developments, designs and things like ships, tanks and planes under construction are still going as OTL (example: in 1942 instead of 1941 when Japan strikes Pearl Harbor they have the use of 2 Hiyō-class aircraft carriers extra to strike with). Like the Rise and Fall of the Empire of Canada thread everybody can ask me any question about WW-46 verse as i call it and i try to answer them so we can flesh it out (ships, planes, tanks and other military question would be appreciated). One Development I could see is that during the bombing of Pearl Harbor, the Japanese also destroy the fuel depots on the island. If they decide to do that it Will cripple American naval activities in the Pacific for the next months. That might work if the Japanese have the 2 Hiyō-class aircraft carriers extra to strike with. |
|
|
|
Post by lukedalton on Feb 11, 2018 16:59:14 GMT
Only if Benny and co. kill the entire Ansaldo management and replace them with someone even just mildly incompetent Was it so bad tank design then, but Italy also could get a license right to produce the Panzer IV in Italy, doubt they need a Panther ore Tiger I ore II, unless Benny needs a ego boost in having some of them. in general German tank design will be difficult to produce in Italy for technical and industrial reason; regarding the P.40, it's not that design (nothing of innovative or excellent, more probably in the barely adequate category)...but the fact that Ansaldo was totally uncapable to give the army something of adequate for the war, delaying and refusing any german help, forcing pre-war the army to accept equipment that the brass perfectly know it was already obsolete or refusing to change the armour from rivetted to wielded due to the excessive production cost (and the fact that keeping rivetting mean an higher price for the army) |
|
lordroel
Administrator
Posts: 64,932
Likes: 46,076
|
Post by lordroel on Feb 11, 2018 18:59:36 GMT
Was it so bad tank design then, but Italy also could get a license right to produce the Panzer IV in Italy, doubt they need a Panther ore Tiger I ore II, unless Benny needs a ego boost in having some of them. in general German tank design will be difficult to produce in Italy for technical and industrial reason; regarding the P.40, it's not that design (nothing of innovative or excellent, more probably in the barely adequate category)...but the fact that Ansaldo was totally uncapable to give the army something of adequate for the war, delaying and refusing any german help, forcing pre-war the army to accept equipment that the brass perfectly know it was already obsolete or refusing to change the armour from rivetted to wielded due to the excessive production cost (and the fact that keeping rivetting mean an higher price for the army) But can we agree that Italian fighter design is good enough. |
|
|
|
Post by lukedalton on Feb 12, 2018 20:08:24 GMT
Oh that sure, with the damned limit of the engine, Macchi, Fiat and Reggiane produced some fine plane and without the war and with 1 year more there wre more DB601 engine available or at least the program (as many other) will be on a more advanced stage than OTL
|
|
lordroel
Administrator
Posts: 64,932
Likes: 46,076
|
Post by lordroel on Feb 12, 2018 20:23:28 GMT
Oh that sure, with the damned limit of the engine, Macchi, Fiat and Reggiane produced some fine plane and without the war and with 1 year more there wre more DB601 engine available or at least the program (as many other) will be on a more advanced stage than OTL This might fly in 1946 ( from this website) Brief history of the Heinkel Fiat G-162
Soon after the introduction into service of the Heinkel He-162 fighter it was clear that it would never make a very good fighter aircraft. The Heinkel He-162 was difficult to handle and an unstable gun platform. The Me-262 was a far better fighter and from January 1945 enough of the Messerschmitt fighters were available to the front line units. Also the Me P-1101 and Ta-183 fighters were planned for operational use from the end of 1945 onwards. This left the Luftwaffe with a large number of He-162 aircraft that it didn't really want. The obvious solution was the sale of these aircraft to Germany's allies. The Italian government had been asking the Germans for jet fighters for a long time. They asked for 100 Messerschmitt Me-262 aircraft plus 300 Jumo 004 engines for their own Reggianne Re-2007 fighter. In June 1945 they received 250 Heinkel He-162's instead. The aircraft were reassembled by Fiat and received the designation G-162. They were put into combat by the ANR in the defense of Northern Italy. The ANR names the fighter Lucertola (Lizard). The Italian pilots were not happy with their new jet fighter, especially as their training on the flying of jet aircraft was virtually zero. The type was withdrawn from service in 1948.  |
|
