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Post by jon698 on Mar 7, 2018 4:53:52 GMT
What if Isaac Komnenos defeated Richard the Lionheart?
Emperors and Empresses of the Orient Empire
1184 – 1199: Isaac Komnenos (House of Komnenos) [1]
1199 – 1204: Damsel of Cyprus (House of Komnenos) [2]
1204 - 1206: Hugues Fère/Eastern Orthodox Bishops 1206 - 1214: Eastern Orthodox Bishops (Templar Komneni) [3]
1214 - 1279: Innocent "The Voyager" Komnenos (Templar Komeni) [4]
1279 - 1280: Angelos Komnenos (Templar Komeni) [5]
1280 - 1303: Malik "The Paranoid" Komenenos (Templar Komeni) [6]|1280 - 1305: Issac II Komenenos (Cyclades Komeni) [6]
1305 - 1320: Doukas "The Timid" Komenenos (Lesser Komeni) [7]|1305 - 1385: Nerio "The Frank" Commodious (Frankish Cyclades) [7]
1320 - 1401: Xiolxi/Ioxi Komenenos (Lesser Komeni) [8]|1385 - 1429: Sofia Commodious (Frankish Cyclades) [9]
[1] Victorious in his battle against Richard the Lionheart, Komnenos captures Richard and his army and holds them captive until large ransoms are payed, Komnenos was able to cemented his rule of Cyprus for the Byzantine Emperors waste their men while the Muslims were at their borders. Following the loss of Richard the crusaders become disheartened and after the crusaders lose the Siege of Acre they give up on the Third Crusade. For his help in defeating the crusaders, Saladin grants Komnenos beneficial trade deals and promises to never allow his kingdom to be attacked by Muslims. During the last eight years of his reign Komnenos would maintain his cruel nature, but would use the money he received to strengthen his rule by greatly improving the fortifications of Famagusta and hired the Knights Templar to build castles for him. After treating the Cypriots with cruelty for 15 years Komnenons was poisoned in 1199 and was succeeded by his daughter the Damsel of Cyprus.
[2] Komnenos` daughter, hoping to stabilize relations with western Europe and distance her house from the Komnenos in Constantinople, chose to marry Hugues Fère, a member of the Knights Templar, and allowed the Venetians and Genoese to expand their trading influence in Cyprus, even allowing the Genoese to establish a colony, but maintained good relations with the Muslims by attacking the crusaders that chose to head towards the Levant instead of sacking Constantinople. In 1201 she gave birth to her son Innocent Komnenos and had him named after the current Pope. In 1204 she died following a period of sickness and her son, Innocent Komnenos, becoming Emperor aged 3 with his father and bishops that were trusted to maintain relations with the Muslims as his regents.
[3] Hugues Fère was dedicated to destroying all Islamic influence on Cyprus causing opposition between him and the bishops. Following the killing of Muslim merchants in 1205 the bishops executed some of Fère`s supporters causing a civil war between Fère and his Templar supporters and the bishops with the army of Cyprus and holding influence over Innocent Komnenos. Fère besieged the bishops at Famagusta and by 1206 was coming close to starving the bishops and penetrating their walls, but Fère was stabbed by a Cypriot servant and upon hearing of his death the bishops granted pardons and treasures to the remaining knights giving them control of Cyprus. For the next eight years the bishops would maintain the status quo until Innocent came of age in 1214.
[4] Having seen conflict at a young age Innocent had decided to expand his empire across the islands of the eastern Mediterranean using the vast treasury that had been created by the beneficial trade deals granted by Saladin and with Venice and Genoa. The time was ripe for him as ten years prior the Fourth Crusade had broken Greece into many small and weak crusader states. Innocent spent two years building up his navy and army, hiring Templar Knights into the army`s ranks and leadership, and in 1216 at the age of 15 launched an invasion of Saria Island and Syrna easily taking them from the Venetians and in 1217 invaded, vassalized and conquered half of the Duchy of the Archipelago. In the following years the he would defeat the Venetians at sea with the help of Genoa and in 1221 forced the Venetians to pay the cost of the wars and barred them from fighting in the Aegean for two years. Following his victory he married the Nicaean princess Eudokia Laskarina. In 1223 he invaded and defeated Duke Othon de la Roche taking all of his land south of Athens. For the next twenty years Innocent improved relations with Genoa by granting it a few of the islands in the Cyclades and exempting their merchants from paying duties, improved fortifications at Famagusta, built palaces across his new islands and founded universities led by philosophers and scholars he captured during his war with the Duchy of Athens. From the 1240s to 1270s he would help the Mamluks fight the Mongols and remaining crusader states and in the process expelled most of the Templars for helping the Mongols and in the late 1250s and 1260s would be called upon by the Emperors of Nicaea to help in their military campaigns and in retaking Constantinople. In 1271 Innocent at the age of 70 chose to end his military campaigns and spent the last eight years of his life funding the construction of cathedrals, roads, ports and sending gifts to the Pope and Sultans Al-Malik az-Zahir and Al-Malik as-Sa'id. He had five children: Issac II in 1262, Malik in 1247, Angelos in 1228, Doukas in 1230 and Irene in 1251. Upon his death in 1279 Angelos ascended to the throne.
[5] Angelos Komnenos achieved nothing during his reign as he died of old age in 1280. He was followed by Malik.
[6] Malik Komennos took the throne in 1280 and immediately ordered that his brother Doukas be sent to a monastery for the rest of his life believing that he had killed Angelos and was planning to kill him to take the throne. Before anything could happen to him Issac II gathered an army of Templar Knights and nobility, declared himself emperor and fled to the Cyclades where with backing from Venice would wage war with his brother and Genoa for twenty years. Their navies would meet near Rhodes and for most of the war would fight indecisive battles until Malik`s paranoia caused him to expel all of Genoa`s merchants causing his navy to greatly weaken and in 1303 Issac hired the Catalan Company to help him invade Cyprus. After a month of fighting Issac took control of Cyprus, his brother disappeared without a trace, but the previous twenty years of war had dwindled both his and his brother`s treasuries making it impossible for him to pay off the Catalan Company. The Catalan would terrorize Cyprus for the next two years taking as they pleased until they overthrew Issac when he refused to follow their orders in 1305. The Catalans would bring Doukas out of the monastery and place him on the throne under their influence, but the descendants of Issac would continue to control islands in the Cyclades for two centuries.
[7] Doukas would spend most of his reign in isolation at Famagusta with his Catalan Wife and was able to have two children during the last fifteen years of his life Xiolxi Komenenos in 1306 and Ioxi Komenenos in 1309. Outside of Famagusta Cyprus fell into disrepair the roads went from stone to dirt and the universities created by Innocent at the height of Cyprus was chipped away for the use of the Catalan Company. Famagusta was only spared as the Venetians and Genoese held trading posts inside the city. However, in the Cyclades and Dodecanese islands Nerio Komenenos distanced himself from the Cypriot line, declared himself and his father members of the Cyclades dynasty and latinized his last name to Commodious. Nerio had his kingdom centered at Naxos and with Genoese support filled his treasury. He built towers on his islands to hold up chains to force Venetian ships to pay large duties and built the largest castle in Greece to protect Naxos and to be the headquarters of his new order "The Latins of Orient". When Doukas died in 1320 the Cypriots under a knight saying that he was Richard I of England rose up and drove the Catalans from Cyprus and declared the Kingdom of Cyprus with Richard of Cyprus as their king, from then on the successors of the Cypriot line would declared themselves emperors in exile. . For the next 21 years Nerio and The Latins of the Orient fought to retake Cyprus failing due to the poor transportation and the fact that Famagusta, and its walls, were still in perfect condition. In 1341 Nerio fought the Serbians in an attempt to establish a foothold in mainland Greece, but was forced back by Stefan Dušan in 1343 after the Battle of Serres. For the rest of his reign Nerio would participate in crusades such as the Smyrniote crusades and the Alexandrian crusade. In 1385 Nerio died and was followed by his daughter Sofia Commodious.
[8] After being forced out of Cyprus by the Catalans and Richard, Xiolxi and Ioxi Komenenos would finally receive praise as they brought Greek philosophers with them to Naples where they and their descendants would spend their exile. In the 1390s they were offered the throne of the Cyclades by Sofia Commodious who was fearing an Ottoman invasion, but they chose to reject it and to instead enjoy the praise from the Italians. Sofia Commodious lost the support the Genoese as the Ottomans overtook the Aegean sea and eventually force her to destroy her towers and pay a tribute. In the following decades she would surrender islands to Genoa, Venice, the Byzantine Empire and the Ottoman Empire to maintain her rule until 1429 when she chose to abdicate and burned the city of Naxos so that "no one could ever take or make gains from the Commodious again". She would die in Rome ten years later.
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Post by jon698 on Mar 7, 2018 4:55:42 GMT
Thank you lordroel I plan on making it into a more detailed timeline. |
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Post by lordroel on Mar 7, 2018 5:02:39 GMT
Thank you lordroel I plan on making it into a more detailed timeline. Nice, it is looking good so far. |
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Post by stevep on Mar 7, 2018 16:00:37 GMT
Interesting TL. Often seen Byzantium revival ones but never with that POD, which is generally little know. Also a difference in that it seems to be a relatively short lived and limited revival in that by the sound of it by ~1400 the Ottomans are running rampant as OTL. If you do write more be interesting to see it please.
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Post by jon698 on Mar 7, 2018 21:59:15 GMT
Interesting TL. Often seen Byzantium revival ones but never with that POD, which is generally little know. Also a difference in that it seems to be a relatively short lived and limited revival in that by the sound of it by ~1400 the Ottomans are running rampant as OTL. If you do write more be interesting to see it please. Sorry I`m new here can you tell me what POD stands for |
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Post by stevep on Mar 7, 2018 22:15:01 GMT
Interesting TL. Often seen Byzantium revival ones but never with that POD, which is generally little know. Also a difference in that it seems to be a relatively short lived and limited revival in that by the sound of it by ~1400 the Ottomans are running rampant as OTL. If you do write more be interesting to see it please. Sorry I`m new here can you tell me what POD stands for Sorry an old timer so so used to the abbreviation that I use then automatically. Its short for Point of Divergence Basically whatever is the change point between OTL - or the original story in a fiction based TL and this current TL. [TL is Time Line and OTL has an Original in front]. In this case the POD is that Richard fails to capture Cyprus and is captured with the bulk of his army instead. |
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Post by jon698 on Mar 8, 2018 4:57:09 GMT
What if Burdunellus maintained his supporters and was not executed by the Visigoths?
Tyrants of Ebro
(Self-declared Emperors of the Roman Empire)
496 - 515: Burdunellus (Hiberi vallis Usurpantium Recognoscent) [1]
515 - 518: Peter Augustus (Hiberi vallis Usurpantium Recognoscent) [2]
518 - 531: Agila Hermenegild (Regency) [3]
531 - 556: Peter Burdunellus Augustus II (Hiberi vallis Usurpantium Recognoscent/Greco-Ebrian) [4]
556 - 579: Tolosa Augusti (Greco-Ebrian) [5]
{
579 - 581: Berxi Vexi (Greco-Mercantile) [6]
581 - 582: Peter III (Greco-Mercantile) [7]
582 - 582: Alaric Wittiza (Greco-Mercantile) [8]
582 - 584: Alexios Commeni (Greco-Mercantile) [9]
584 - 593: Raugus "The Torcher" Berdex (Greco-Mercantile) [10]
}
593 - 659: Málaga Augusti (Greco-Visigothic Ebrian) [11]
659 - 671: Visigothic Merchants (Merchant Republic) [12]
671 - 711: Peter Burdunellus Augusti IV (Greco-Visigothic Ebrian) [13]
711 - 719: Peter V (Greco-Visigothic Ebrian) [12]
[1] In 500 A.D. the usurper Burdunellus roused his supporters and united all of them behind him, but over the next 15 years he would remember some on their treachery and had the leaders of the opposition executed for false crimes, sent them into unwinnable battles, framed them as leaders of rebellions and ignore the ransom demands of rebels. Along with that he would make minor improvements to agricultural production, maintain some of the Roman roads, dug some defensive trenches at his capital Caesaraugusta and defeated eleven small peasant rebellions against him that he purposely allowed in order to strengthen his rule. In 515 an ailing Burdunellus was convinced by Peter, another Roman usurper who had narrowly escaped from execution by the Visigoths, to allow him to marry his daughter and make him his heir. Months later Burdunellus died of either poising or illness.
[2] In 515 A.D. Peter declared himself the emperor of not only the Western Roman Empire, but the Eastern Roman Empire too and took Augustus as his last name. Peter then spent the next three years on a "military campaign" to take over vineyards. The major achievement of his rule was the creation of the small town and fort of Augusti to serve as his capital. While Peter was campaigning in 518 he fell from his horse in a drunken stupor and drowned. His recently born son, Peter Burdunellus Augustus II was 1 and would have Peter`s "top" general, Agila Hermenegild, as his regent.
[3] In 518 A.D. Agila Hermenegild became the regent of Peter Burdunellus Augustus II. In 521 Visigoth merchants from the surrounding valley wanting to be exempt from taxation moved to Augusti, using their money to easily control Agila and use him and his army as a proxy against rival merchants, beginning the ten years long Mercantile Wars. During the wars Peter II went to Greece learning where he saw Constantinople. After ten years of killings Amalaric, King of the Visigoths, invaded the Erbo valley, but upon learning that the tyrants in the region held the title of "Western Roman Emperor" decided to let Agila and Peter II keep their small holdings if they handed over the title. Agila immediately agreed to the conditions and Amalaric planned to accept the title after he defeated the Frankish king Childebert I, but following his defeat was killed by his own men allowing the Hiberi vallis Usurpantium Recognoscent to keep their title. Peter II took over in 531 and sent Agila into exile in the Merovingian kingdom where he died four years later.
[4] After sending Agila into exile Peter II rounded up the peasants and formed an army of 1,000 to conquer half of the Ebro river while the Visigoths were in disorder by 532. Two years later Peter II would hand over half of his holdings to Theudis, accepting it as he had more important issues in Southern Spain and Africa to deal with, in exchange for 3,000 stonemasons and 800 slaves. Peter II, inspired by the Theodosian Walls, tore down the simple wooden walls of Augusti, expanded the town`s civilian housing and mercantile districts and surrounded the rebuilt town with two walls that were two meters thick and 7 meters tall over the next six years. For the next twelve years Peter forcefully relocated hundreds into his rebuilt capital and gave benefits to merchants to build up a trade base. In 552 the Byzantines invaded southern Spain the Baleares islands. Peter renounced his title as Roman Emperor realizing that the Byzantine armies could help cement his rule over the small kingdom and protect him from the Franks and Visigoths. Liberius chose to accept the offer planning to make a small foothold in northern Spain to be used in the reconquest of Spain for the Romans and sent 800 soldiers to Ebro. Peter would lead a raiding army of 600 men for the next four years and would make a small amount of money by participating in a renewed Mercantile War until 556 when he was wounded in a raid and died days later.
[5] In 556 Tolosa Augusti became Tyrant of Ebra and maintained his father`s raids, but chose to lead from the safety of Augusti. Tolosa would continue the status quo as under the protection of the Byzantines it was impossible for the Visigoths to punish him as they had to deal with the much larger armies in the south. Until the 570s Tolosa would rebuild some of the Roman aqueducts under the supervision of the Byzantines and improved the agricultural production. However when Liuvigild became king of the Visigoths and started to overtake the Byzantines, Tolosa ended his raids and sent gifts to no avail as the Visigothic king invaded in the mid 570s taking the old capital of Caesaraugusta and everything except for Augusti due to Tolosa withdrawing his and the Byzantine armies into the safety of the city. In 578 Tolosa accepted the Visigothic offer to end the war in exchange for ending the Mercantile Wars, paying a tribute and ending all military campaigns against the Visigoths. The following year Tolosa was assassinated by disgruntled merchants and pro-Byzantium civilians.
[6 - 10] In 579 the leading citizens and merchants of Augusti chose Berxi Vexi, a former Byzantine captain, as their leader. Berxi sent out the remaining Byzantine soldiers out to raid pro-Visigothic merchants, starting the Third Mercantile War (579 - 593). In 581 a Visigothic army informed by a merchant named Peter (unrelated) killed Berxi in during one of his raids. In the following days the Visigoths allowed Peter III to kill some of the Visigoths that participated in the battle hoping to end the problems coming from the troublesome city-state, but after his rule was cemented Peter continued the raids on merchants until he was assassinated by a Visigothic merchant named Alaric Wittiza. Alaric attempted to gain favor with the merchants by ramping up the attacks on Visigothic merchants while secretly negotiating with them. In late 582 his negotiations were discovered and riots led by Alexios Commeni overthrew and killed him. The entirety of Alexios` reign was spent fighting off a Visigothic siege until 584 when he died from his wounds. Raugus Berdex, the merchant who by bribing a Visigothic leader defeated the Visigothic siege, became the leader and using his popular support killed or expelled the majority of the merchants. For the next nine years Raugus torched the Ebro valley and committed mass killings in Augusti to maintain his rule. In 593 the Visigoths gave Málaga Augusti, Tolosa`s grandson, enough money to hire mercenaries, but when he reached Augusti and announced his heritage the people of the city rose up and overthrew Raugus who disappeared from the historical record after 593.
[11] Málaga Augusti, as a puppet of the Visigoths, spent his reign converting the people of Augusti to Arianism and allowing the merchants backed by the Visigoths to gain de facto control. The Roman structures that had been partial repaired over the past two hundred years fell into irreversible disrepair and the treasury dwindled to the point where Málaga had to borrow horses after the rest were sold to cover administrative costs. After a long reign of seventy eight years Málaga was followed by a period of mercantile rule.
[12] The Visigothic merchants that led the small merchant republic would continue the deterioration of Augusti, sold parts of the wall to stonemasons and took large amounts of housing from the populace. The rule of the merchants was ended when King Recceswinth put Peter Burdunellus Augusti IV in charge to prevent an uprising.
[13] Peter Burdunellus Augusti IV chose to become a more active puppet than the previous member of his dynasty and fought with the Visigoths until 711 when he was killed in battle against the Arabs.
[14] Peter V/Agila attempted to stop the approach of the Arabs, but when the Arabs reached Augusti in 719 the deteriorate of the city walls and moral of the populace made it impossible to defend the once great capital of the Ebrians and it fell into Muslim hands. Peter V most likely killed defending or escaping from Augusti or committed suicide, but a century later legends stating that he had successfully escaped and became a guerrilla leader named Agila who fought against the Arabs for the next decade.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 8, 2018 16:10:20 GMT
What if Burdunellus maintained his supporters and was not executed by the Visigoths?
Tyrants of Ebro (Self-declared Emperors of the Roman Empire) 496 - 515: Burdunellus (Hiberi vallis Usurpantium Recognoscent) [1]515 - 518: Peter Augustus (Hiberi vallis Usurpantium Recognoscent) [2]518 - 531: Agila Hermenegild (Regency) [3]531 - 556: Peter Burdunellus Augustus II (Hiberi vallis Usurpantium Recognoscent/Greco-Ebrian) [4]556 - 579: Tolosa Augusti (Greco-Ebrian) [5]{
579 - 581: Berxi Vexi (Greco-Mercantile) [6]
581 - 582: Peter III (Greco-Mercantile) [7]
582 - 582: Alaric Wittiza (Greco-Mercantile) [8]
582 - 584: Alexios Commeni (Greco-Mercantile) [9]
584 - 593: Raugus "The Torcher" Berdex (Greco-Mercantile) [10]
}593 - 659: Málaga Augusti (Greco-Visigothic Ebrian) [11]659 - 671: Visigothic Merchants (Merchant Republic) [12]671 - 711: Peter Burdunellus Augusti IV (Greco-Visigothic Ebrian) [13]711 - 719: Peter V (Greco-Visigothic Ebrian) [12][1] In 500 A.D. the usurper Burdunellus roused his supporters and united all of them behind him, but over the next 15 years he would remember some on their treachery and had the leaders of the opposition executed for false crimes, sent them into unwinnable battles, framed them as leaders of rebellions and ignore the ransom demands of rebels. Along with that he would make minor improvements to agricultural production, maintain some of the Roman roads, dug some defensive trenches at his capital Caesaraugusta and defeated eleven small peasant rebellions against him that he purposely allowed in order to strengthen his rule. In 515 an ailing Burdunellus was convinced by Peter, another Roman usurper who had narrowly escaped from execution by the Visigoths, to allow him to marry his daughter and make him his heir. Months later Burdunellus died of either poising or illness. [2] In 515 A.D. Peter declared himself the emperor of not only the Western Roman Empire, but the Eastern Roman Empire too and took Augustus as his last name. Peter then spent the next three years on a "military campaign" to take over vineyards. The major achievement of his rule was the creation of the small town and fort of Augusti to serve as his capital. While Peter was campaigning in 518 he fell from his horse in a drunken stupor and drowned. His recently born son, Peter Burdunellus Augustus II was 1 and would have Peter`s "top" general, Agila Hermenegild, as his regent. [3] In 518 A.D. Agila Hermenegild became the regent of Peter Burdunellus Augustus II. In 521 Visigoth merchants from the surrounding valley wanting to be exempt from taxation moved to Augusti, using their money to easily control Agila and use him and his army as a proxy against rival merchants, beginning the ten years long Mercantile Wars. During the wars Peter II went to Greece learning where he saw Constantinople. After ten years of killings Amalaric, King of the Visigoths, invaded the Erbo valley, but upon learning that the tyrants in the region held the title of "Western Roman Emperor" decided to let Agila and Peter II keep their small holdings if they handed over the title. Agila immediately agreed to the conditions and Amalaric planned to accept the title after he defeated the Frankish king Childebert I, but following his defeat was killed by his own men allowing the Hiberi vallis Usurpantium Recognoscent to keep their title. Peter II took over in 531 and sent Agila into exile in the Merovingian kingdom where he died four years later. [4] After sending Agila into exile Peter II rounded up the peasants and formed an army of 1,000 to conquer half of the Ebro river while the Visigoths were in disorder by 532. Two years later Peter II would hand over half of his holdings to Theudis, accepting it as he had more important issues in Southern Spain and Africa to deal with, in exchange for 3,000 stonemasons and 800 slaves. Peter II, inspired by the Theodosian Walls, tore down the simple wooden walls of Augusti, expanded the town`s civilian housing and mercantile districts and surrounded the rebuilt town with two walls that were two meters thick and 7 meters tall over the next six years. For the next twelve years Peter forcefully relocated hundreds into his rebuilt capital and gave benefits to merchants to build up a trade base. In 552 the Byzantines invaded southern Spain the Baleares islands. Peter renounced his title as Roman Emperor realizing that the Byzantine armies could help cement his rule over the small kingdom and protect him from the Franks and Visigoths. Liberius chose to accept the offer planning to make a small foothold in northern Spain to be used in the reconquest of Spain for the Romans and sent 800 soldiers to Ebro. Peter would lead a raiding army of 600 men for the next four years and would make a small amount of money by participating in a renewed Mercantile War until 556 when he was wounded in a raid and died days later. [5] In 556 Tolosa Augusti became Tyrant of Ebra and maintained his father`s raids, but chose to lead from the safety of Augusti. Tolosa would continue the status quo as under the protection of the Byzantines it was impossible for the Visigoths to punish him as they had to deal with the much larger armies in the south. Until the 570s Tolosa would rebuild some of the Roman aqueducts under the supervision of the Byzantines and improved the agricultural production. However when Liuvigild became king of the Visigoths and started to overtake the Byzantines, Tolosa ended his raids and sent gifts to no avail as the Visigothic king invaded in the mid 570s taking the old capital of Caesaraugusta and everything except for Augusti due to Tolosa withdrawing his and the Byzantine armies into the safety of the city. In 578 Tolosa accepted the Visigothic offer to end the war in exchange for ending the Mercantile Wars, paying a tribute and ending all military campaigns against the Visigoths. The following year Tolosa was assassinated by disgruntled merchants and pro-Byzantium civilians. [6 - 10] In 579 the leading citizens and merchants of Augusti chose Berxi Vexi, a former Byzantine captain, as their leader. Berxi sent out the remaining Byzantine soldiers out to raid pro-Visigothic merchants, starting the Third Mercantile War (579 - 593). In 581 a Visigothic army informed by a merchant named Peter (unrelated) killed Berxi in during one of his raids. In the following days the Visigoths allowed Peter III to kill some of the Visigoths that participated in the battle hoping to end the problems coming from the troublesome city-state, but after his rule was cemented Peter continued the raids on merchants until he was assassinated by a Visigothic merchant named Alaric Wittiza. Alaric attempted to gain favor with the merchants by ramping up the attacks on Visigothic merchants while secretly negotiating with them. In late 582 his negotiations were discovered and riots led by Alexios Commeni overthrew and killed him. The entirety of Alexios` reign was spent fighting off a Visigothic siege until 584 when he died from his wounds. Raugus Berdex, the merchant who by bribing a Visigothic leader defeated the Visigothic siege, became the leader and using his popular support killed or expelled the majority of the merchants. For the next nine years Raugus torched the Ebro valley and committed mass killings in Augusti to maintain his rule. In 593 the Visigoths gave Málaga Augusti, Tolosa`s grandson, enough money to hire mercenaries, but when he reached Augusti and announced his heritage the people of the city rose up and overthrew Raugus who disappeared from the historical record after 593. [11] Málaga Augusti, as a puppet of the Visigoths, spent his reign converting the people of Augusti to Arianism and allowing the merchants backed by the Visigoths to gain de facto control. The Roman structures that had been partial repaired over the past two hundred years fell into irreversible disrepair and the treasury dwindled to the point where Málaga had to borrow horses after the rest were sold to cover administrative costs. After a long reign of seventy eight years Málaga was followed by a period of mercantile rule. [12] The Visigothic merchants that led the small merchant republic would continue the deterioration of Augusti, sold parts of the wall to stonemasons and took large amounts of housing from the populace. The rule of the merchants was ended when King Recceswinth put Peter Burdunellus Augusti IV in charge to prevent an uprising. [13] Peter Burdunellus Augusti IV chose to become a more active puppet than the previous member of his dynasty and fought with the Visigoths until 711 when he was killed in battle against the Arabs. [14] Peter V/Agila attempted to stop the approach of the Arabs, but when the Arabs reached Augusti in 719 the deteriorate of the city walls and moral of the populace made it impossible to defend the once great capital of the Ebrians and it fell into Muslim hands. Peter V most likely killed defending or escaping from Augusti or committed suicide, but a century later legends stating that he had successfully escaped and became a guerrilla leader named Agila who fought against the Arabs for the next decade. I do not know what to say, a lot of good work you made so far, are you intending to expand it, if you do, keep it up. |
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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 15, 2018 23:49:29 GMT
Alternate Monarchs: the Russian tsar dynasty
Considering the possibility of Russian tsar Nicholas II being able to suppress the Bolshevik revolution, by signing peace with Germany in late 1916 and investing greatly in social security and rights in order to save his neck. Let's say monarchic Russia endures until 1920. List of Russian monarchs:
Nicholas II, House of Romanov (1896-1921) (Death by heart complications product of advanced leukemia)
Alexei II, House of Romanov (1921-1929) (Death by complications product of severe hemophilia)
Michael II, House of Romanov (1929) (Death less than 4 months after accession by suicide product of depression)
Kirill I, House of Romanov (1929-1938) (Death by cerebral hemorrhage product of advanced age)
Vladimir I, House of Romanov (1938-1991) (Abdicated due advanced age; death by heart attack product of advanced age)
Maria I, House of Romanov (1991-1997) (Abdicated following anti-monarchic riots and legitimacy disputes)
George I, House of Romanov (1997-2001, disputed) (Death by assassination product of anti-monarchic riots and conspiracy; legitimacy disputed)
Following Vladimir I's abdication, the tsar line of Russia came into question. He was the first modern tsar of Russia to last that long as monarch following the Bolshevik revolution, and the first tsar to endure so much during his reign. People, usually liberal democratic thinkers, began to question the need for a monarchy, viewing the Romanov line as antique, obsolete and unnecessary during these modern times. In 1990, the first serious anti-tsar demonstrations occurred throughout Moscow and Petrograd, which erupted into violent confrontations as the movement caught on. The streets became battlegrounds between anti-tsar protesters and the police, who were later joined by pro-tsar demonstrators. Casualties mounted on both ends. Russia began receiving negative international attention as videos of police brutally repelling peaceful marches began to surface. The entire monarchic government of Russia came into question. Polls suggested less than 21% of the Russian population favored the monarchy. Police violence, divide and rioting swarmed the late years of Vladimir I.
The last drop came when Vladimir I in early 1991 changed succession law by monarchic veto decree, which once more allowed women to directly succeed to the throne, an ancient law which had been proclaimed by Alexander I. The idea of a future, female monarch once more ignited the anti-tsar flame, as hundreds of thousands rioted against Vladimir I's law change and the monarchy itself. The line was in danger, but Vladimir I had little to worry for himself. In 1991 he abdicated of old age and died less than a year later. Soon, his only consort - Grand Duchess Maria of Russia - received the imperial crown.
Compared to her father, her governance was short-lived. Even though a constitutional government was in place - created by Nicholas II to appease his people in 1919 -, the monarch still upheld certain authority and could modify things with an all-powerful veto decree the government could not oppose. Also, the monarch could not be removed by the government. It could lobby to have the sitting monarch willingly abdicate, but it was within the monarch's own and complete power, and they were bound to the throne until death or abdication said so. Maria I only aggravated the precarious situation. She immediately enacted several highly-unpopular reforms, including substancial tax increases, reducing imports on critical resources and vowing for more powers for the monarch. She became disliked among the people, and her name became synonymous with a failing, outdated monarchy and she did little to help. In 1995, it was discovered her father, Vladimir I, may have possibly not be a direct, lawful descendant of Nicholas II, thus making him - theoretically - an illegitimate monarch. Nobody challenged his position however, instead addressing Maria I. Following intense pressures and the uncontainable scandal, as well as her plummeting popularity and failed reforms, she abdicated in 1997, accelerating the anti-tsar movement further and nearing its absolute apex. By now, less than 2% of Russia supported the monarchy fully.
A day following Maria I's abdication, the United Russia ruling political party introduced an enactment to officially end the monarchy to the State Duma. The enactment, known as the General Monarchic Abolition Act, quickly gained popularity among politicians and voters alike. The GMAA was passed to the Federation Council, who declared that, in order to prevent fallout, key powers and elements will slowly be removed from the monarch, in order to gradually "dismantle" the monarchy. First, the veto decree was eliminated by the Veto Decree Abolition Act, followed by the removal of the monarch as the official head of state (State Chief Reform Act), the removal of privileges and special legal abstentions (Monarchic Legality Reform Act), and finally the outlawing of the monarchy itself (GMAA). The former tsar, Maria I, protested fiercely, causing some pro-tsar demonstrations; however, she was eventually arrested for "obstruction of justice" for 50 years. However, by then, Maria I's son - George I - had been officially crowned tsar for over a month, and no legislation specifically targeting George I was ever enacted. Also, George I had gained certain popularity by reverting his mother's unpopular reforms, and declaring a "new start for the Russian monarchy". However, hate for the monarchy had reached its full apex, and his claim was perpetually disputed. His popularity decayed as he slowly returned to his predecesor's conservative ways, refusing to accept orders from the government and fiercely defending his position as the rightful monarch, which had stayed in a sort of undefined limbo. During George I's monarchy, over 40 people died in anti-George and anti-tsar demonstrations. The heat was so that the State Duma began the process to officially "dismiss" George I in 2000. In 2001, George I was visiting Tbilisi, Georgia, when suddenly he was snipped in the head from half a mile away while attending a meeting. It was part of an extremist conspiracy within the government. Russia entered a state of chaos, as the assassination of a (disputed) monarch triggered countless riots and political fallout. It wasn't until 2003 that the Russian Federation's Constitution was redrawn, officially ending the monarchy. The President was given the status of head of state, concentrating all power on the democratically-elected President. The Romanov family was dismantled and all descendants of Nicholas II stripped of their elitist titles.
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Post by al-Khataei Abdulhaq on Oct 6, 2018 16:42:19 GMT
Alternate Monarchs: the Russian tsar dynasty
Considering the possibility of Russian Tsar Nicholas II being able to suppress the Bolshevik revolution, by signing peace with Germany in late 1916 and investing greatly in social security and rights in order to save his neck. Let's say monarchic Russia endures until 1920. List of Russian monarchs:
Nicholas II, House of Romanov (1896-1921) (Death by heart complications product of advanced leukemia)
Alexei II, House of Romanov (1921-1929) (Death by complications product of severe hemophilia)
Michael II, House of Romanov (1929) (Death less than 4 months after accession by suicide product of depression)
Kirill I, House of Romanov (1929-1938) (Death by cerebral hemorrhage product of advanced age)
Vladimir I, House of Romanov (1938-1991) (Abdicated due to advanced age; death by heart attack product of advanced age)
Maria I, House of Romanov (1991-1997) (Abdicated following anti-monarchic riots and legitimacy disputes)
George I, House of Romanov (1997-2001, disputed) (Death by assassination product of anti-monarchic riots and conspiracy; legitimacy disputed)
Ali I, House of Romanov-Aliyev (2001-2012, in exile) (Accidentally fell off the cliff, when defending against anti-monarchial parade; legitimacy disputed) [8]
Following Vladimir, I 's abdication, the tsar line of Russia came into question. He was the first modern tsar of Russia to last that long as monarch following the Bolshevik revolution, and the first tsar to endure so much during his reign. People, usually liberal democratic thinkers, began to question the need for a monarchy, viewing the Romanov line as antique, obsolete and unnecessary during these modern times. In 1990, the first serious anti-tsar demonstrations occurred throughout Moscow and Petrograd, which erupted into violent confrontations as the movement caught on. The streets became battlegrounds between anti-tsar protesters and the police, who were later joined by pro-tsar demonstrators. Casualties mounted on both ends. Russia began receiving negative international attention as videos of police brutally repelling peaceful marches began to surface. The entire monarchic government of Russia came into question. Polls suggested less than 21% of the Russian population favoured the monarchy. Police violence, divide and rioting swarmed the late years of Vladimir I.
The last drop came when Vladimir I in early 1991 changed succession law by monarchic veto decree, which once more allowed women to directly succeed to the throne, an ancient law which had been proclaimed by Alexander I. The idea of a future, female monarch once more ignited the anti-tsar flame, as hundreds of thousands rioted against Vladimir I's law change and the monarchy itself. The line was in danger, but Vladimir I had little to worry about himself. In 1991 he abdicated of old age and died less than a year later. Soon, his only consort - Grand Duchess Maria of Russia - received the imperial crown.
Compared to her father, her governance was short-lived. Even though a constitutional government was in place - created by Nicholas II to appease his people in 1919 -, the monarch still upheld the certain authority and could modify things with an all-powerful veto decree the government could not oppose. Also, the monarch could not be removed by the government. It could lobby to have the sitting monarch willingly abdicate, but it was within the monarch's own and complete power, and they were bound to the throne until death or abdication said so. Maria, I only aggravated the precarious situation. She immediately enacted several highly-unpopular reforms, including substantial tax increases, reducing imports on critical resources and vowing for more powers for the monarch. She became disliked among the people, and her name became synonymous with a failing, outdated monarchy and she did little to help. In 1995, it was discovered her father, Vladimir I, may have possibly not been a direct, lawful descendant of Nicholas II, thus making him - theoretically - an illegitimate monarch. Nobody challenged his position, however, instead of addressing Maria I. Following intense pressures and the uncontainable scandal, as well as her plummeting popularity and failed reforms, she abdicated in 1997, accelerating the anti-tsar movement further and nearing its absolute apex. By now, less than 2% of Russia supported the monarchy fully.
A day following Maria I's abdication, the United Russia ruling political party introduced an enactment to officially end the monarchy to the State Duma. The enactment, known as the General Monarchic Abolition Act, quickly gained popularity among politicians and voters alike. The GMAA was passed to the Federation Council, who declared that, in order to prevent fallout, key powers and elements will slowly be removed from the monarch, in order to gradually "dismantle" the monarchy. First, the veto decree was eliminated by the Veto Decree Abolition Act, followed by the removal of the monarch as the official head of state (State Chief Reform Act), the removal of privileges and special legal abstentions (Monarchic Legality Reform Act), and finally the outlawing of the monarchy itself (GMAA). The former tsar, Maria I, protested fiercely, causing some pro-tsar demonstrations; however, she was eventually arrested for "obstruction of justice" for 50 years. However, by then, Maria I's son - George I - had been officially crowned tsar for over a month, and no legislation specifically targeting George I was ever enacted. Also, George, I had gained certain popularity by reverting his mother's unpopular reforms, and declaring a "new start for the Russian monarchy". However, hate for the monarchy had reached its full apex, and his claim was perpetually disputed. His popularity decayed as he slowly returned to his predecessor's conservative ways, refusing to accept orders from the government and fiercely defending his position as the rightful monarch, which had stayed in a sort of undefined limbo. During George I's monarchy, over 40 people died in anti-George and anti-tsar demonstrations. The heat was so that the State Duma began the process to officially "dismiss" George I in 2000. In 2001, George I was visiting Tbilisi, Georgia, when suddenly he was snipped in the head from half a mile away while attending a meeting. It was part of an extremist conspiracy within the government. Russia entered a state of chaos, as the assassination of a (disputed) monarch triggered countless riots and political fallout. It wasn't until 2003 that the Russian Federation's Constitution was redrawn, officially ending the monarchy. The President was given the status of head of state, concentrating all power on the democratically-elected President. The Romanov family was dismantled and all descendants of Nicholas II stripped of their elitist titles.
[8] Maria I married Osman Aliyev in Berlin in 1998. She gave birth to Ali I, who was ineligible to be the king as he was a Muslim. His claim was vanquished in 2012, aged 10. He fell to his death in 2012. He was the first in 4 brothers. Maria had no other living son, other than the 4 Aliyevs. She died due to a heart attack, a month after Ali's death. The Aliyevs are the only ones who could claim the Russian throne as being the children of Maria. Other living members of Aliyev family are- Osman Aliyev, husband of Maria [45 years old], Heydar Aliyev [8 years old], Aziz Aliyev [6 years old] and Aydin Aliyev [4 years old].
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Post by al-Khataei Abdulhaq on Oct 11, 2018 17:55:00 GMT
What if Timurid dynasty removes the Ottoman dynasty?
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Post by lordroel on Oct 11, 2018 18:28:04 GMT
What if Timurid dynasty removes the Ottoman dynasty? Then instead of OTL where they ruled two significant empires in history, the Timurid Empire (1370–1507) based in Persia and Central Asia and the Mughal Empire (1526–1857) based in the Indian subcontinent they will be known as a dynasty that ruled three major empires in history. |
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Post by al-Khataei Abdulhaq on Oct 11, 2018 19:12:34 GMT
What if Timurids replaced the Ottoman dynasty?
House of Osman
1.Osman I (1299-1323)
2.Orhan I (1323-1362)
3.Murad I (1362-1389)
4.Bayezid I (1389-1402)
..... Line extinguished
House of Timur
1.Timur I (1370-1405)
2.Khalil I (1405-1409)
*Pir Ibn Jahangir removed from Timurid line.
** Continue as Timurids and control India, Arabia, Caucasus and Central Asia.
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Post by stevep on Oct 11, 2018 22:18:31 GMT
What if Timurids replaced the Ottoman dynasty? House of Osman 1.Osman I (1299-1323) 2.Orhan I (1323-1362) 3.Murad I (1362-1389) 4.Bayezid I (1389-1402) ..... Line extinguished House of Timur 1.Timur I (1370-1405) 2.Khalil I (1405-1409) *Pir Ibn Jahangir removed from Timurid line. ** Continue as Timurids and control India, Arabia, Caucasus and Central Asia.
If the Ottoman line was extinguished and the empire destroyed then the main question would probably be whether another Turkish dynasty formed a similar empire, possibly not quite as extensive as OTL Ottoman one or whether other groups move into vacuum created. You might see the still fairly recently established Turkish presence in the Balkans destroyed and one or other Christian group grow dominate there. IF the Greeks you might even see a revival of their position in western Anatolia. In eastern Anatolia, unless say the Golden Horde - although Tamerlain bashed that about as well - or possibly an even more successful Mamluks push into that area, you might see a local Muslim group such as the Kurds, or a Christian one [probably Armenian or Georgian] establish a more powerful state there. Or possibly a heterogeneous mixture of groups, cultures and religions.
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Post by al-Khataei Abdulhaq on Oct 17, 2018 9:53:02 GMT
What if Timurids replaced the Ottoman dynasty? House of Osman 1.Osman I (1299-1323) 2.Orhan I (1323-1362) 3.Murad I (1362-1389) 4.Bayezid I (1389-1402) ..... Line extinguished House of Timur 1.Timur I (1370-1405) 2.Khalil I (1405-1409) *Pir Ibn Jahangir removed from Timurid line. ** Continue as Timurids and control India, Arabia, Caucasus and Central Asia.
If the Ottoman line was extinguished and the empire destroyed then the main question would probably be whether another Turkish dynasty formed a similar empire, possibly not quite as extensive as OTL Ottoman one or whether other groups move into vacuum created. You might see the still fairly recently established Turkish presence in the Balkans destroyed and one or other Christian group grow dominate there. IF the Greeks you might even see a revival of their position in western Anatolia. In eastern Anatolia, unless say the Golden Horde - although Tamerlain bashed that about as well - or possibly an even more successful Mamluks push into that area, you might see a local Muslim group such as the Kurds, or a Christian one [probably Armenian or Georgian] establish a more powerful state there. Or possibly a heterogeneous mixture of groups, cultures and religions.
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