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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 19, 2023 13:50:14 GMT
Does the proverb, The enemy of my enemy is my friend apply here.
Possibly but I suspect that pairing is partly to distance the film from the current political division. I get the feeling that it will be a black and white view, i.e. one side seen as right and the other as clearly in the wrong. From the question made about the President ordering the bombing of Americans and possibly even more with the civilians confronted by the soldier who when they say something like "but we're Americas too" and he replies "what kind of Americans". If California - and probably other blue states - was on one side and Texas - and similarly other red states - were on opposite sides and one is painted as the villains then the film is going to anger a lot of people.
Possibly I'm reading that trailer wrong but that's definitely the impression I'm getting.
It appears it comes to the point that the nationality known as "American" is already loose. So there would be a "Texan American" for the Republic of Texas, "Californian American" for California, "Western American" for the Western States, "Floridian American" or perhaps "Southerner American" for the Florida Alliance (which I think is basically a modern-day equivalent of the CSA), and "Loyalist American" for those states that choose to remain loyal to D.C. Take it from James G's Shanghaied. We have two Americas after the United States was forced to accept the secession of the Democratic American Republic. Americans in the U.S. are known as "Eastern Americans" while those in the DAR - informally known as West America - are known as "Western Americans" or "DAR Americans". Photo: Map of the United States and the DAR in April 2029. Credits to James G.
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Post by spiegel on Dec 19, 2023 14:20:47 GMT
So i wonder if we had to see this movie how did they cause that 2ACW i mean in Shanghaied like the prologue when China invading Taiwan before 2ACW in Shanghaied.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 19, 2023 14:34:13 GMT
So i wonder if we had to see this movie how did they cause that 2ACW i mean in Shanghaied like the prologue when China invading Taiwan before 2ACW in Shanghaied. In the trailer it and this page: What Caused The Civil War In A24's New 2024 Movie?I think this is why the 2ACW happens: The reasoning behind the seemingly bizarre alliance of Texas and California in the film points to the notion that the war isn't over Democrat and Republican politics but more about Offerman's corrupt three-term Presidency. The United States federal government has apparently disavowed its allegiance to the United States Constitution and is now held under the budding dictatorship of Offerman's tyrannical President. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 19, 2023 14:37:43 GMT
So i wonder if we had to see this movie how did they cause that 2ACW i mean in Shanghaied like the prologue when China invading Taiwan before 2ACW in Shanghaied. In the trailer it and this page: What Caused The Civil War In A24's New 2024 Movie?I think this is why the 2ACW happens: The reasoning behind the seemingly bizarre alliance of Texas and California in the film points to the notion that the war isn't over Democrat and Republican politics but more about Offerman's corrupt three-term Presidency. The United States federal government has apparently disavowed its allegiance to the United States Constitution and is now held under the budding dictatorship of Offerman's tyrannical President.Ahh so it's something like the game Shattered Union where a U.S. President uses legal loopholes to have a 3rd term? Shattered Union PC Trailer - Intro Trailer |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 19, 2023 14:40:46 GMT
In the trailer it and this page: What Caused The Civil War In A24's New 2024 Movie?I think this is why the 2ACW happens: The reasoning behind the seemingly bizarre alliance of Texas and California in the film points to the notion that the war isn't over Democrat and Republican politics but more about Offerman's corrupt three-term Presidency. The United States federal government has apparently disavowed its allegiance to the United States Constitution and is now held under the budding dictatorship of Offerman's tyrannical President.Ahh so it's something like the game Shattered Union where a U.S. President uses legal loopholes to have a 3rd term? Shattered Union PC Trailer - Intro TrailerThat is the game i was thinking of when i saw the trailer, thanks for finding it gillan1220 |
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 19, 2023 14:42:52 GMT
Ahh so it's something like the game Shattered Union where a U.S. President uses legal loopholes to have a 3rd term? Shattered Union PC Trailer - Intro TrailerThat is the game i was thinking of when i saw the trailer, thanks for finding it gillan1220 The comment section has people coming back to this after the trailer for Civil War was released. Just a correction on my part, the President in the Shattered Union didn't have a 3rd term. He rather used legal loopholes through a sympathetic Supreme Court to disqualify opponents for the ATL 2012 elections. However, he himself dies on his second inauguration on January 20, 2013 when a tactical nuclear weapon erupts in Washington, D.C. |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 19, 2023 14:46:39 GMT
That is the game i was thinking of when i saw the trailer, thanks for finding it gillan1220 The comment section has people coming back to this after the trailer for Civil War was released. Just a correction on my part, the President in the Shattered Union didn't have a 3rd term. He rather used legal loopholes through a sympathetic Supreme Court to disqualify opponents for the ATL 2012 elections. However, he himself dies on his second inauguration on January 20, 2013 when a tactical nuclear weapon erupts in Washington, D.C. Well at least no nukes are used in the CW24 trailer, at least as we know. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 19, 2023 14:53:23 GMT
The comment section has people coming back to this after the trailer for Civil War was released. Just a correction on my part, the President in the Shattered Union didn't have a 3rd term. He rather used legal loopholes through a sympathetic Supreme Court to disqualify opponents for the ATL 2012 elections. However, he himself dies on his second inauguration on January 20, 2013 when a tactical nuclear weapon erupts in Washington, D.C. Well at least no nukes are used in the CW24 trailer, at least as we know. That brings the question of nuclear weapons too because some of the states with nuclear silos are part of the Western States. |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 19, 2023 14:55:49 GMT
Well at least no nukes are used in the CW24 trailer, at least as we know. That brings the question of nuclear weapons too because some of the states with nuclear silos are part of the Western States. Stevep made a good post about it on page one, but as it seems the NW are the once attacking the Loyalist United States, only the Florida alliance might be neutral in the 2ACW. One thing that may explain the neutrality of the NW bloc and the Florida alliance is that USN Boomers are based in Washington state or in Georgia, which are members of those two blocs. As such IF the subs are loyal to those government then they have a deterrent against either the RUS [Rump United States] or CalTex doing anything rash with them. Other land based ICBMs would be mostly in the NW bloc as well but not sure of the deployment of the air based deterrents or tactical nuclear forces. All three US nuclear labs are in California or neighbouring states which CalTex has presumably overrun fairly quickly.
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Post by stevep on Dec 19, 2023 22:11:13 GMT
That brings the question of nuclear weapons too because some of the states with nuclear silos are part of the Western States. Stevep made a good post about it on page one, but as it seems the NW are the once attacking the Loyalist United States, only the Florida alliance might be neutral in the 2ACW. One thing that may explain the neutrality of the NW bloc and the Florida alliance is that USN Boomers are based in Washington state or in Georgia, which are members of those two blocs. As such IF the subs are loyal to those government then they have a deterrent against either the RUS [Rump United States] or CalTex doing anything rash with them. Other land based ICBMs would be mostly in the NW bloc as well but not sure of the deployment of the air based deterrents or tactical nuclear forces. All three US nuclear labs are in California or neighbouring states which CalTex has presumably overrun fairly quickly.
Ah that definitely complicates matters. The NW area is relatively short on manpower but has some rich territories and definitely a lot of nukes. If it and CalTex are both fighting the rump US with the SE area neutral that could be a close thing. Although are the two formal allies or loosely working against a common enemy with little/no actual co-operation between them.
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Post by spiegel on Dec 19, 2023 22:40:30 GMT
The comment section has people coming back to this after the trailer for Civil War was released. Just a correction on my part, the President in the Shattered Union didn't have a 3rd term. He rather used legal loopholes through a sympathetic Supreme Court to disqualify opponents for the ATL 2012 elections. However, he himself dies on his second inauguration on January 20, 2013 when a tactical nuclear weapon erupts in Washington, D.C. Well at least no nukes are used in the CW24 trailer, at least as we know. But in Shattered Union it's the Russians starting it when President Nicholai Vladekov masterminded the D.C. bombing as part of his goal to disrupt the world economy so that Russia could regain its military dominance, and more easily control Europe yeah thats his plan he wanted to take over Alaska. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 20, 2023 0:38:07 GMT
Well at least no nukes are used in the CW24 trailer, at least as we know. But in Shattered Union it's the Russians starting it when President Nicholai Vladekov masterminded the D.C. bombing as part of his goal to disrupt the world economy so that Russia could regain its military dominance, and more easily control Europe yeah thats his plan he wanted to take over Alaska. That was only revealed later. Everyone assumed that the D.C. nuclear bombing was: 1. Conducted by the opponents of President Adams. 2. A false flag attack WWIII would have occurred due to that decapitation strike. At least in Shanghaied, President Makarov was no idiot in directly provoking the United States. Sure, he watched with glee seeing America tear herself apart as it would make the Baltics and Eastern Europe a free real estate, but he knew the Roberts, Mitchel, and then Cruz administrations drew a red line on that. What Makarov did though is provide the cure for RF-187 for Lee Mitchell's daughter who was poisoned by the AIA. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 20, 2023 0:41:46 GMT
So i wonder if we had to see this movie how did they cause that 2ACW i mean in Shanghaied like the prologue when China invading Taiwan before 2ACW in Shanghaied. Well in Shanghaied, there was the Years of Lead before the Taiwan conflict. The first POD of Shanghaied is the 46th President suddenly dying on February 14, 2023 (thank God he survives that in OTL). The 47th President takes over as per line of succession. A woman-of-color and not much liked by her own party, her presidency is marked by another round of birther theories and conspiracy theories. Think of it as the craziness of 2015-2017 but 10x worse. She does not run for 2028. Mark Walsh, the 48th President, succeeds her. Walsh is a controversial figure because he ordered the attack on Egypt in 2026 but was doing less in the Taiwan conflict of 2027 especially after the American public demanded retaliation for knocking out two aircraft carriers. Then prior to the 2028 elections, China managed to control the South China Sea after a short clash with the Vietnamese and other claimants forced to cede their claims. |
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Post by spiegel on Dec 20, 2023 0:44:26 GMT
But in Shattered Union it's the Russians starting it when President Nicholai Vladekov masterminded the D.C. bombing as part of his goal to disrupt the world economy so that Russia could regain its military dominance, and more easily control Europe yeah thats his plan he wanted to take over Alaska. That was only revealed later. Everyone assumed that the D.C. nuclear bombing was: 1. Conducted by the opponents of President Adams. 2. A false flag attack WWIII would have occurred due to that decapitation strike. At least in Shanghaied, President Makarov was no idiot in directly provoking the United States. Sure, he watched with glee seeing America tear herself apart as it would make the Baltics and Eastern Europe a free real estate, but he knew the Roberts, Mitchel, and then Cruz administrations drew a red line on that. What Makarov did though is provide the cure for RF-187 for Lee Mitchell's daughter who was poisoned by the AIA. Except for North Korea in Shanghaied would ready to Bum-Rushed South Korea in 3 days. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 20, 2023 3:06:30 GMT
That was only revealed later. Everyone assumed that the D.C. nuclear bombing was: 1. Conducted by the opponents of President Adams. 2. A false flag attack WWIII would have occurred due to that decapitation strike. At least in Shanghaied, President Makarov was no idiot in directly provoking the United States. Sure, he watched with glee seeing America tear herself apart as it would make the Baltics and Eastern Europe a free real estate, but he knew the Roberts, Mitchel, and then Cruz administrations drew a red line on that. What Makarov did though is provide the cure for RF-187 for Lee Mitchell's daughter who was poisoned by the AIA. Except for North Korea in Shanghaied would ready to Bum-Rushed South Korea in 3 days. North Korea surprisingly stayed put. Even then, the KPA can't just crush the South. The ROK Armed Forces have been preparing to fight a defensive war to make sure the North Koreans would bleed. There's also the issue of KPA supplies and how well-fed an average North Korean soldier or person is. Without food and supplies, your army can't keep pushing forward. |
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