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Post by spanishspy on Jun 23, 2016 1:27:05 GMT
I think that renaming would only be the case if the new monarch was German, which I think would go down well with no one, including most of the occupants of the enclave. If you had a member of the Romanov's that would cause less general resentment but its unlikely to be popular in Poland and is going to be explosive to Putin and much of the Russian population. By stating that the [November] revolution is illegitimate that's challenging their entire status. I can't see a monarchy being suitable as an option. The best bet is if Putin is persuaded not to invade and its a bearly recognised fringe 'state' with only limited international recognition. For that reason I can't see it being considered for EU or NATO membership. Here's an interesting question, though--if the Bolshevik Revolution is illegitimate, then does that also mean that the federalization of the lands of the former Russian Empire as well as the 1991 secession of large parts of the former Russian Empire are likewise illegitimate? Indeed, any thoughts on this? A particularly nutty rump Tsardom might think this and be tolerated by the West, but for the most part the Soviet Union was seen as legitimate by the late twenties.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 23, 2016 3:47:35 GMT
Here's an interesting question, though--if the Bolshevik Revolution is illegitimate, then does that also mean that the federalization of the lands of the former Russian Empire as well as the 1991 secession of large parts of the former Russian Empire are likewise illegitimate? Indeed, any thoughts on this? A particularly nutty rump Tsardom might think this and be tolerated by the West, but for the most part the Soviet Union was seen as legitimate by the late twenties. I think it will be more a republic than a kingdom.
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 23, 2016 12:59:28 GMT
A particularly nutty rump Tsardom might think this and be tolerated by the West, but for the most part the Soviet Union was seen as legitimate by the late twenties. I think it will be more a republic than a kingdom. It might, but I'm having a hard time predicting what the government of said republic would look like.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 23, 2016 13:28:29 GMT
I think it will be more a republic than a kingdom. It might, but I'm having a hard time predicting what the government of said republic would look like. Also i think Poland will get involved so maybe they are offered to become part of Poland.
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 23, 2016 16:04:21 GMT
It might, but I'm having a hard time predicting what the government of said republic would look like. Also i think Poland will get involved so maybe they are offered to become part of Poland. They could, either them or Lithuania.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 23, 2016 16:07:35 GMT
Also i think Poland will get involved so maybe they are offered to become part of Poland. They could, either them or Lithuania. Kaliningrad is a russian speaking country so how is Poland going to solve that problem.
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 23, 2016 16:10:38 GMT
They could, either them or Lithuania. Kaliningrad is a russian speaking country so how is Poland going to solve that problem. Polish and Russian are more similar than Lithuanian and Russian, so that's a point in Poland's favor.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 23, 2016 16:41:42 GMT
Kaliningrad is a russian speaking country so how is Poland going to solve that problem. Polish and Russian are more similar than Lithuanian and Russian, so that's a point in Poland's favor. The question is would Russia allow Poland to get involved in Kaliningrad after they where forced to give it its independence.
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 24, 2016 17:37:14 GMT
Polish and Russian are more similar than Lithuanian and Russian, so that's a point in Poland's favor. The question is would Russia allow Poland to get involved in Kaliningrad after they where forced to give it its independence. Would they be able to? The only way to object is blustering, economic sanctions, and military action in the Baltic, and I doubt the last would happen.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 24, 2016 19:47:37 GMT
The question is would Russia allow Poland to get involved in Kaliningrad after they where forced to give it its independence. Would they be able to? The only way to object is blustering, economic sanctions, and military action in the Baltic, and I doubt the last would happen. But we have to discus the point of the matter, will Russia crush the a Kaliningrad revolution as it will effect the Putin government if it does or does not do it.
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 25, 2016 1:15:10 GMT
Would they be able to? The only way to object is blustering, economic sanctions, and military action in the Baltic, and I doubt the last would happen. But we have to discus the point of the matter, will Russia crush the a Kaliningrad revolution as it will effect the Putin government if it does or does not do it. If they do, it will be hard. Naval forces will need to traverse the Baltic whilst surrounded by NATO. Air forces need to go over Lithuania, and they, as well as missiles, are liable to be shot down by NATO. I'm having a hard time figuring out what Putin could do.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 25, 2016 8:57:30 GMT
But we have to discus the point of the matter, will Russia crush the a Kaliningrad revolution as it will effect the Putin government if it does or does not do it. If they do, it will be hard. Naval forces will need to traverse the Baltic whilst surrounded by NATO. Air forces need to go over Lithuania, and they, as well as missiles, are liable to be shot down by NATO. I'm having a hard time figuring out what Putin could do. But they can do it, unless NATA is will to put a No-fly zone over Kaliningrad and a naval blocade as well in order to prevent the Russians from sending any troops to Kaliningrad.
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 26, 2016 16:55:31 GMT
If they do, it will be hard. Naval forces will need to traverse the Baltic whilst surrounded by NATO. Air forces need to go over Lithuania, and they, as well as missiles, are liable to be shot down by NATO. I'm having a hard time figuring out what Putin could do. But they can do it, unless NATA is will to put a No-fly zone over Kaliningrad and a naval blocade as well in order to prevent the Russians from sending any troops to Kaliningrad. I can see NATO having a naval blockade between Saare County and Stockholm to block Russian naval vessels, and I doubt the Baltics would like Russian warplanes flying overhead.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 26, 2016 17:18:28 GMT
But they can do it, unless NATA is will to put a No-fly zone over Kaliningrad and a naval blocade as well in order to prevent the Russians from sending any troops to Kaliningrad. I can see NATO having a naval blockade between Saare County and Stockholm to block Russian naval vessels, and I doubt the Baltics would like Russian warplanes flying overhead. They already do that already, that why the Baltic Air Policing was set up by NATO to keep the Russian from flying over the three Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 26, 2016 18:47:42 GMT
I can see NATO having a naval blockade between Saare County and Stockholm to block Russian naval vessels, and I doubt the Baltics would like Russian warplanes flying overhead. They already do that already, that why the Baltic Air Policing was set up by NATO to keep the Russian from flying over the three Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Then there is no way in hell the Russians can get to Kaliningrad.
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