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Post by Max Sinister on Oct 18, 2023 16:13:23 GMT
And the second post missed:
Atlantis 1500-1550
1500: On their third expedition to Atlantis, the Castillians discover Cuba. This marks the beginning of the colonization of the Caribbean. On their return, they also discover the Bahamas.
A ship from Braunschweig-Lüneburg discovers Bermuda by accident.
1500-10: Settlement of Cuba by Castillians.
1502: Motehcuhzoma II becomes ruler of the Tenochca.
1504: Jamaica discovered by Castillians.
1507: Castillians found Veracruz at the site of OTL New Orleans, start exploring the Mississippi valley.
1509-12: After some clashes with Danish colonists in Atlantis, the Quadruple Monarchy starts anti-Danish War against, surprise, Denmark. Dutch ally with them. In the peace of Hamburg, Denmark loses its lands in Canada to the Quadruple Monarchy and Anderland to the Netherlands. Only the city of Haraldsborg (OTL New York, plus Long Island) and Prince-Haralds-Land (Newfoundland, as a base for fishermen) stay in their hands.
1514: French send an expedition to the Caribbean, claim OTL Hispaniola for themselves, which they call Nouvelle France.
1517: Puerto Rico becomes Castillian colony.
1518/19: Castillians subjugate the first Maya cities. (There are/were a lot of political entities around, each of had to be defeated independently, other than the Aztecs or Inca.)
1520: A small Castillian expedition (a few dozen men) meets the Tenochca. They're defeated, no one returns. However, the Castillians beat the Tenochca at Tapachula (south of OTL Mexico).
1521: The only surviving heir of the Norwegian (and Scottish) throne, Prince Alasdair / Alexander goes to Atlantis, where he spends some time around the Caribbean. He also approaches the Tenochca and learns about their gold riches.
1522: Prince Alasdair comes to the court of France, warns the king that the Quadruple monarchy is about to conquer the rich lands of the Tenochca. He points out: "If the king owns their gold, he can afford to hire all the mercenaries in the world! You have to stop him now!"
1523: Castillians want to send an expedition to Tenochtitlan, but the ship from Cuba is destroyed in a hurricane, and until replacements are found, necessary time passes.
1524: France manages to smuggle some hundred soldiers and advisors to Atlantis to help Cuitláuac, the military leader of the Mexica, as the Tenochca are now called in Europe. The Tenochca have to convert to Christianity, however.
1526: Battle of Cempoala. French-Tenochca defeat Castillians.
1527: Huayna Capac doesn't die.
1527: Motehcuhzoma II dies, Cuitláuac becomes new ruler of Mexico.
1528: King Henrik VI of Scandinavia takes advantage of the war, takes the islands of Virgin Islands, Anguilla, Saint Christopher and Nevis, Antigua and Barbuda, and Montserrat for his empire.
Huascar, son of Huayna Capac, caught conspiring against his brother, the heir of Huayna Capac, named Ninan Cuyochi.
1529: Smallpox hit the Mexica... however, the Allies of the Quadruple Monarchy aren't better off, so it's a two-sided damage.
Motehcuhzoma II dies too, Cuitláuac becomes new ruler of the Mexica.
1530: Castillians explore the north coast of OTL Colombia and Venezuela, discover the Orinoco mouth, occupy the Antilles, build first settlements in South Atlantis.
1531: Dutch found colonies on Guadeloupe, Dominica.
1532: Huayna Capac dies.
1533: Braunschweig-Lüneburg claims the islands of Martinique, Santa Lucia.
1535: Castillians drive the French-Tenochca back to the heart of the old Tenochca Empire, ally with their old enemy Tlaxcala. Only the lack of support prevents them from winning completely.
1536: Florentines take Saint Vincent, Grenada, Barbados (which they call Elba Nuova).
1538: Castillians cross the isthmus of Panama, discover the Pacific. They learn about the lands of the Inca.
1539: Poland joins colonial powers, takes Trinidad and Tobago.
1541-50: Inca conquer Chibcha lands in OTL northern Columbia.
1543: With Scandinavia in Civil War / unrest, the other powers use the opportunity. Nystad, the capital of New Sweden, is taken by the Dutch; the South and West of the Chesapeake peninsula goes to Italia Nuova. The Netherlands and Florence make a treaty, ruling the border between their colonies in Atlantis, and promising to respect their borders.
1544: In Haraldsborg, the (almost) last Danish colony, chaos ensued after the mother country fell into civil war. Poland sends soldiers to the city, occupying it. Haraldsborg becomes the portal for Polish and Prussian immigrants to (Northern) Atlantis.
1545: Battle of Ile de la Tortue (OTL Tortuga). French defeat English-Castillian fleet.
1547: After the end of the Great Occidental War, Europeans start regular trade with Mexica and Tawantinsuyu (Inca empire). They keep their independence because neither power wants the other one to own their rich lands. The Quadruple Monarchy cedes West Florida, Panama and the Mississippi valley to France, western Anderland to France's ally Denmark.
1548: French governor starts work in Veracruz, which is renamed Nouvelle-Orléans. France and Scotland each found a harbor city in Mexico to trade with the Tenochca, and another two at the foot of the Andes, to trade with the Inca empire as well.
1549: French monks arrive in the Inca Empire to convert the population to Christianity.
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Post by stevep on Oct 18, 2023 17:29:52 GMT
And the second post missed: Atlantis 1500-15501500: On their third expedition to Atlantis, the Castillians discover Cuba. This marks the beginning of the colonization of the Caribbean. On their return, they also discover the Bahamas. A ship from Braunschweig-Lüneburg discovers Bermuda by accident. 1500-10: Settlement of Cuba by Castillians. 1502: Motehcuhzoma II becomes ruler of the Tenochca. 1504: Jamaica discovered by Castillians. 1507: Castillians found Veracruz at the site of OTL New Orleans, start exploring the Mississippi valley. 1509-12: After some clashes with Danish colonists in Atlantis, the Quadruple Monarchy starts anti-Danish War against, surprise, Denmark. Dutch ally with them. In the peace of Hamburg, Denmark loses its lands in Canada to the Quadruple Monarchy and Anderland to the Netherlands. Only the city of Haraldsborg (OTL New York, plus Long Island) and Prince-Haralds-Land (Newfoundland, as a base for fishermen) stay in their hands. 1514: French send an expedition to the Caribbean, claim OTL Hispaniola for themselves, which they call Nouvelle France. 1517: Puerto Rico becomes Castillian colony. 1518/19: Castillians subjugate the first Maya cities. (There are/were a lot of political entities around, each of had to be defeated independently, other than the Aztecs or Inca.) 1520: A small Castillian expedition (a few dozen men) meets the Tenochca. They're defeated, no one returns. However, the Castillians beat the Tenochca at Tapachula (south of OTL Mexico). 1521: The only surviving heir of the Norwegian (and Scottish) throne, Prince Alasdair / Alexander goes to Atlantis, where he spends some time around the Caribbean. He also approaches the Tenochca and learns about their gold riches. 1522: Prince Alasdair comes to the court of France, warns the king that the Quadruple monarchy is about to conquer the rich lands of the Tenochca. He points out: "If the king owns their gold, he can afford to hire all the mercenaries in the world! You have to stop him now!" 1523: Castillians want to send an expedition to Tenochtitlan, but the ship from Cuba is destroyed in a hurricane, and until replacements are found, necessary time passes. 1524: France manages to smuggle some hundred soldiers and advisors to Atlantis to help Cuitláuac, the military leader of the Mexica, as the Tenochca are now called in Europe. The Tenochca have to convert to Christianity, however. 1526: Battle of Cempoala. French-Tenochca defeat Castillians. 1527: Huayna Capac doesn't die. 1527: Motehcuhzoma II dies, Cuitláuac becomes new ruler of Mexico. 1528: King Henrik VI of Scandinavia takes advantage of the war, takes the islands of Virgin Islands, Anguilla, Saint Christopher and Nevis, Antigua and Barbuda, and Montserrat for his empire. Huascar, son of Huayna Capac, caught conspiring against his brother, the heir of Huayna Capac, named Ninan Cuyochi. 1529: Smallpox hit the Mexica... however, the Allies of the Quadruple Monarchy aren't better off, so it's a two-sided damage. Motehcuhzoma II dies too, Cuitláuac becomes new ruler of the Mexica. 1530: Castillians explore the north coast of OTL Colombia and Venezuela, discover the Orinoco mouth, occupy the Antilles, build first settlements in South Atlantis. 1531: Dutch found colonies on Guadeloupe, Dominica. 1532: Huayna Capac dies. 1533: Braunschweig-Lüneburg claims the islands of Martinique, Santa Lucia. 1535: Castillians drive the French-Tenochca back to the heart of the old Tenochca Empire, ally with their old enemy Tlaxcala. Only the lack of support prevents them from winning completely. 1536: Florentines take Saint Vincent, Grenada, Barbados (which they call Elba Nuova). 1538: Castillians cross the isthmus of Panama, discover the Pacific. They learn about the lands of the Inca. 1539: Poland joins colonial powers, takes Trinidad and Tobago. 1541-50: Inca conquer Chibcha lands in OTL northern Columbia. 1543: With Scandinavia in Civil War / unrest, the other powers use the opportunity. Nystad, the capital of New Sweden, is taken by the Dutch; the South and West of the Chesapeake peninsula goes to Italia Nuova. The Netherlands and Florence make a treaty, ruling the border between their colonies in Atlantis, and promising to respect their borders. 1544: In Haraldsborg, the (almost) last Danish colony, chaos ensued after the mother country fell into civil war. Poland sends soldiers to the city, occupying it. Haraldsborg becomes the portal for Polish and Prussian immigrants to (Northern) Atlantis. 1545: Battle of Ile de la Tortue (OTL Tortuga). French defeat English-Castillian fleet. 1547: After the end of the Great Occidental War, Europeans start regular trade with Mexica and Tawantinsuyu (Inca empire). They keep their independence because neither power wants the other one to own their rich lands. The Quadruple Monarchy cedes West Florida, Panama and the Mississippi valley to France, western Anderland to France's ally Denmark. 1548: French governor starts work in Veracruz, which is renamed Nouvelle-Orléans. France and Scotland each found a harbor city in Mexico to trade with the Tenochca, and another two at the foot of the Andes, to trade with the Inca empire as well. 1549: French monks arrive in the Inca Empire to convert the population to Christianity.
Given how central to their entire culture their religion was I think it unlikely that the Aztecs/Tenochca/Mexica would willingly convert to Christianity. It would not only be alien to their beliefs but those beliefs were that without the sacrifices to the gods the world would be destroyed.
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Post by Max Sinister on Oct 18, 2023 18:32:52 GMT
1524: France manages to smuggle some hundred soldiers and advisors to Atlantis to help Cuitláuac, the military leader of the Mexica, as the Tenochca are now called in Europe. The Tenochca have to convert to Christianity, however. 1526: Battle of Cempoala. French-Tenochca defeat Castillians. 1527: Huayna Capac doesn't die. 1527: Motehcuhzoma II dies, Cuitláuac becomes new ruler of Mexico. 1528: King Henrik VI of Scandinavia takes advantage of the war, takes the islands of Virgin Islands, Anguilla, Saint Christopher and Nevis, Antigua and Barbuda, and Montserrat for his empire. Huascar, son of Huayna Capac, caught conspiring against his brother, the heir of Huayna Capac, named Ninan Cuyochi. 1529: Smallpox hit the Mexica... however, the Allies of the Quadruple Monarchy aren't better off, so it's a two-sided damage. Motehcuhzoma II dies too, Cuitláuac becomes new ruler of the Mexica. 1530: Castillians explore the north coast of OTL Colombia and Venezuela, discover the Orinoco mouth, occupy the Antilles, build first settlements in South Atlantis. 1531: Dutch found colonies on Guadeloupe, Dominica. 1532: Huayna Capac dies. 1533: Braunschweig-Lüneburg claims the islands of Martinique, Santa Lucia. 1535: Castillians drive the French-Tenochca back to the heart of the old Tenochca Empire, ally with their old enemy Tlaxcala. Only the lack of support prevents them from winning completely. 1536: Florentines take Saint Vincent, Grenada, Barbados (which they call Elba Nuova). 1538: Castillians cross the isthmus of Panama, discover the Pacific. They learn about the lands of the Inca. 1539: Poland joins colonial powers, takes Trinidad and Tobago. 1541-50: Inca conquer Chibcha lands in OTL northern Columbia. 1543: With Scandinavia in Civil War / unrest, the other powers use the opportunity. Nystad, the capital of New Sweden, is taken by the Dutch; the South and West of the Chesapeake peninsula goes to Italia Nuova. The Netherlands and Florence make a treaty, ruling the border between their colonies in Atlantis, and promising to respect their borders. 1544: In Haraldsborg, the (almost) last Danish colony, chaos ensued after the mother country fell into civil war. Poland sends soldiers to the city, occupying it. Haraldsborg becomes the portal for Polish and Prussian immigrants to (Northern) Atlantis. 1545: Battle of Ile de la Tortue (OTL Tortuga). French defeat English-Castillian fleet. 1547: After the end of the Great Occidental War, Europeans start regular trade with Mexica and Tawantinsuyu (Inca empire). They keep their independence because neither power wants the other one to own their rich lands. The Quadruple Monarchy cedes West Florida, Panama and the Mississippi valley to France, western Anderland to France's ally Denmark. 1548: French governor starts work in Veracruz, which is renamed Nouvelle-Orléans. France and Scotland each found a harbor city in Mexico to trade with the Tenochca, and another two at the foot of the Andes, to trade with the Inca empire as well. 1549: French monks arrive in the Inca Empire to convert the population to Christianity.
Given how central to their entire culture their religion was I think it unlikely that the Aztecs/Tenochca/Mexica would willingly convert to Christianity. It would not only be alien to their beliefs but those beliefs were that without the sacrifices to the gods the world would be destroyed.
OK, in retrospect I wonder whether it'd make more sense if the French missionaries stepped in after European diseases killed off the natives, claiming that only conversion would save them.
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Post by stevep on Oct 18, 2023 21:53:14 GMT
Given how central to their entire culture their religion was I think it unlikely that the Aztecs/Tenochca/Mexica would willingly convert to Christianity. It would not only be alien to their beliefs but those beliefs were that without the sacrifices to the gods the world would be destroyed.
OK, in retrospect I wonder whether it'd make more sense if the French missionaries stepped in after European diseases killed off the natives, claiming that only conversion would save them.
Probably so. As the Aztecs had defeated an initial force but suffered heavy losses in doing so and hence realised that they needed allies against a future attack and to deny the area and its resources to the Quad/Triple kingdom the French are willing to avoid questions of religion until their got a stronger position. Then disease and combat losses weaken the Aztecs enough that the French get the power to enable the priests to come in and start converting.
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Post by Max Sinister on Oct 22, 2023 16:51:23 GMT
Rest of the world 1500-1600
16th century: Ouaddai Kingdom (west of Darfur) emerges.
Kingdom of Kaffa (near Ethiopia) makes Christianity its state religion.
Burundian state emerges.
First records of the kingdom of Ndongo (OTL N Angola).
1510s: Due to rising prices for slaves, Portuguese slave traders expand their "business" into the Congo.
1513: Kingdom of Benin sends an ambassador to Portugal.
1516: Muslim troops attack and overrun Ethiopia, ruling it for about two generations.
1540s: After the Quadruple Monarchy defeats the uprisings in Morocco, many Moroccan warriors flee to Songhay, introducing gunpowder weapons to the country.
1569: An expedition with a mixed Scandinavian crew under a captain Ingolfsson goes to Africa, sails down the coast along the Portuguese colonies, reaches Cape of Good Hope. They like the climate and tell king Alexander on their return about it.
Since ~1570: Ashanti confederacy starts to become important, also thanks to its gold riches.
1574: Scandinavians found the colony of Australafrica (Australia for short) with the capital Alexandersborg (OTL Cape Town).
1577: Dutch start to make trade with Africa (always threatened, since this is Portuguese turf), and also reach Australia. For this time, they have to accept that the Scandinavians came first.
1582: Scandinavian explorers discover Madagascar, coast of Mozambique.
~1585: Luba kingdom starts to expand, securing control of copper mines.
1588: Scandinavian explorers reach Zanzibar. When news about this spread to Europe, the attention of the rulers moves away from Atlantis and to the promising new ways to India.
1594: With Scandinavia in trouble, the Dutch use the opportunity and occupy Australia.
1600: Revolt of the "Söderlinger" (Scandinavians in Australia) against Dutch starts.
Late 16th century: Yoruba state of Oyo becomes mightier, thanks to its cavalry.
Islam made state religion in Darfur (earlier than OTL).
End of 16th century: Kanem-Bornu Empire reaches height of its power.
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Post by stevep on Oct 22, 2023 18:33:33 GMT
Rest of the world 1500-160016th century: Ouaddai Kingdom (west of Darfur) emerges. Kingdom of Kaffa (near Ethiopia) makes Christianity its state religion. Burundian state emerges. First records of the kingdom of Ndongo (OTL N Angola). 1510s: Due to rising prices for slaves, Portuguese slave traders expand their "business" into the Congo. 1513: Kingdom of Benin sends an ambassador to Portugal. 1516: Muslim troops attack and overrun Ethiopia, ruling it for about two generations. 1540s: After the Quadruple Monarchy defeats the uprisings in Morocco, many Moroccan warriors flee to Songhay, introducing gunpowder weapons to the country. 1569: An expedition with a mixed Scandinavian crew under a captain Ingolfsson goes to Africa, sails down the coast along the Portuguese colonies, reaches Cape of Good Hope. They like the climate and tell king Alexander on their return about it. Since ~1570: Ashanti confederacy starts to become important, also thanks to its gold riches. 1574: Scandinavians found the colony of Australafrica ( Australia for short) with the capital Alexandersborg (OTL Cape Town). 1577: Dutch start to make trade with Africa (always threatened, since this is Portuguese turf), and also reach Australia. For this time, they have to accept that the Scandinavians came first. 1582: Scandinavian explorers discover Madagascar, coast of Mozambique. ~1585: Luba kingdom starts to expand, securing control of copper mines. 1588: Scandinavian explorers reach Zanzibar. When news about this spread to Europe, the attention of the rulers moves away from Atlantis and to the promising new ways to India. 1594: With Scandinavia in trouble, the Dutch use the opportunity and occupy Australia. 1600: Revolt of the "Söderlinger" (Scandinavians in Australia) against Dutch starts. Late 16th century: Yoruba state of Oyo becomes mightier, thanks to its cavalry. Islam made state religion in Darfur (earlier than OTL). End of 16th century: Kanem-Bornu Empire reaches height of its power.
That's going to be a hell of a pain as we will need to keep reminding ourselves what you actually mean.  |
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Post by Max Sinister on Oct 22, 2023 18:43:17 GMT
Rest of the world 1500-160016th century: Ouaddai Kingdom (west of Darfur) emerges. Kingdom of Kaffa (near Ethiopia) makes Christianity its state religion. Burundian state emerges. First records of the kingdom of Ndongo (OTL N Angola). 1510s: Due to rising prices for slaves, Portuguese slave traders expand their "business" into the Congo. 1513: Kingdom of Benin sends an ambassador to Portugal. 1516: Muslim troops attack and overrun Ethiopia, ruling it for about two generations. 1540s: After the Quadruple Monarchy defeats the uprisings in Morocco, many Moroccan warriors flee to Songhay, introducing gunpowder weapons to the country. 1569: An expedition with a mixed Scandinavian crew under a captain Ingolfsson goes to Africa, sails down the coast along the Portuguese colonies, reaches Cape of Good Hope. They like the climate and tell king Alexander on their return about it. Since ~1570: Ashanti confederacy starts to become important, also thanks to its gold riches. 1574: Scandinavians found the colony of Australafrica ( Australia for short) with the capital Alexandersborg (OTL Cape Town). 1577: Dutch start to make trade with Africa (always threatened, since this is Portuguese turf), and also reach Australia. For this time, they have to accept that the Scandinavians came first. 1582: Scandinavian explorers discover Madagascar, coast of Mozambique. ~1585: Luba kingdom starts to expand, securing control of copper mines. 1588: Scandinavian explorers reach Zanzibar. When news about this spread to Europe, the attention of the rulers moves away from Atlantis and to the promising new ways to India. 1594: With Scandinavia in trouble, the Dutch use the opportunity and occupy Australia. 1600: Revolt of the "Söderlinger" (Scandinavians in Australia) against Dutch starts. Late 16th century: Yoruba state of Oyo becomes mightier, thanks to its cavalry. Islam made state religion in Darfur (earlier than OTL). End of 16th century: Kanem-Bornu Empire reaches height of its power.
That's going to be a hell of a pain as we will need to keep reminding ourselves what you actually mean. Oh yes, this is definitely something I like to do, confusing the hell out of OTL readers. ;-)
Just check out this: {Spoiler}
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Post by Max Sinister on Oct 25, 2023 21:40:50 GMT
East Asia 1550-1600
Since 1550: Burma suffers under a decline in trading.
1553 (3250, Yin Water Ox): Hong Empire forges a formal military alliance with its SE Asian client kingdoms, directed against Bengal and other possible enemies.
1561: On Mindanao, Muslim preachers start to criticize the arriving Han disturbing their society and the Hong emperor being overlord of the sultan.
1564: Tibetan exiles arrive in Bhutan, unite the country for the first time.
1566 (3263, Yang Fire Tiger): Earthquake of Shaanxi, killing almost a million people.
1569-88: Conquest of the Delhi Sultanate by Persia.
1570: Nipponese ships trading with Java discover the North coast of Antipodia (OTL Australia), but aren't interested in this land, like the Chinese and Javans who came before them.
Since 1575: Arab piracy makes the Indian trade less profitable, Chinese start to avoid these seas.
The Vietnamese population has grown, but they can't push into the Champa and Khmer lands. Vietnamese start to emigrate to Ma-i (OTL Philippines).
1584 (3281, Yang Wood Monkey): Hong emperor sends troops to Mindanao to push the Muslims back. Chinese soldiers stay on Mindanao to watch the Muslims.
1586: Volcano Kelut on Java erupts, killing ~10,000 people.
1594 (3291, Yang Wood Horse): The harbors of SE Asia are closed for Seljuk ships, so the Nipponese can fill this gap too.
Since 1600: Mataram on Java starts to rise its head against the until then dominating but now stagnating Majapahit.
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Post by 575 on Oct 26, 2023 11:35:19 GMT
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Post by stevep on Oct 26, 2023 12:05:10 GMT
So its going to be the REAL South China Sea..?
For the moment at least. Although Chinese dynasties tend to have a limited life terminated by periods of decline and then chaos. Plus some of the hints from Japan sound like it could become a significant player.
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Post by Max Sinister on Nov 1, 2023 20:44:29 GMT
Muslim world 1550-1600
~1550: Arab captains in the Red Sea start to equip their ships with European iron cannons, which are superior to the Chinese bronze cannons, start piracy in the Indian Ocean.
1551: The last Zahedid claimant for the throne of Persia is caught with his remaining followers and killed.
1556-65: The Triple Monarchy of England-Castille-Portugal declares war on the Rum-Seljuks, enraged over the fate of Rome. Savoy and Florence join the war.
1559: Rome reconquered by Christians; all the Muslims found there are massacred.
1562: Sea battle of Malta; Seljuk-Barbary fleet decimated.
1565: Peace of Ostia ends the second Occidental-Seljuk War. Seljuks give up Latium (to Florence) and the Marches, Algiers, Tunis and Sicily (to E-C-P). The Romans displaced ~20 years ago return in triumph. The victorious Italians demand that the Pope returns to Rome, which the French king denies.
1567-74: France, Venice and the HRE declare war on the weakened Seljuks.
1569: French land at Port Said, conquer the city.
1571: Seljuks conquer Port Said back.
1572: After another uprising of the Carbonari, Florence joins the war, attacks Naples.
1574: Peace of Krems (Austria). Seljuks have to cede Dalmatia to Venice, the county of Naples to Florence, Salzburg to Bavaria, Austria to Württemberg-Carinthia and western Hungary to France. François of Bourbon elected new king Ferenc I of Hungary.
1575: The army topples and kills sultan Kay Qubadh V after having lost two wars, replacing him with his son Mas'ud IV.
In the same year, Muslim refugees from Naples (mostly merchants replaced by the Florentines, but some scientists too) arrive in Constantinople. They bring the printing press, which was used until then only in Seljuk Italy (and Austria, which was Seljuk only for a few decades anyway). The mighty guilds of the calligraphers protest.
1577: A Seljuk-Omani fleet defeats a Chinese Treasure fleet, takes unbelievable riches with them.
1580-82: The former tributary Georgia is made a Seljuk province. Protests and uprisings are put down, not without cruelty.
1581: The sultan rules that the printing press may be used for government jobs only. This will lead in the long run to a better administration, higher literacy and wider spread science in the Seljuk empire.
1584: The young sultan makes treaties with Persia and Choresm, the other big Muslim powers, to be able to use his full power against the Europeans.
1585-87: Persia attacks Choresm, takes Chorasan back.
1586: Arab pirates take the Maledives, extend their radius.
1589: The young son of Choresm Shah Arslan III overthrows the Shah, his distant uncle, and kills him (and his son). He'll become one of Choresm's greatest rulers.
1591: Arab pirates capture several cities on Sri Lanka.
1599: Arslan IV introduces the printing press to Choresm.
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Post by Max Sinister on Nov 1, 2023 20:45:25 GMT
Russian lands 1550-1600
1552: Mongols attack a Novorussian caravan at the Silk Road. When the uninterested Grand Prince again disappoints the merchants, they decide to act. Another delegation sent to the Hong emperor is successful: In exchange for them sending a tribute of furs, wax and honey, he allows them to found trade stations in his empire.
~1560: Settlements in Novorossiya as far as upper Amur/Aigun river.
1561: Novorossiyan cities threatened by Mongols and Muslims form "unofficial official" armies to defend them, instead of the irregular defenders they had so far.
1567: Dvoryans battle Muslims in Kipchak lands between Don and Donez; Seljuks unable to interfere. Russians proclaim the Dvoryan republic of Polovtsia. (Yes, now there are two republics there, Polovtsia and Kipchakia. I liked the idea of having several states, each named after a different name for the same people. SCNR.)
1570s: Dvoryans conquer OTL Kalmuk steppe, reach the Caucasus.
1574: Russians found a trade station in Nanjing. In the decades and centuries following, a "Russian quarter" develops from it (similar in many other cities in the northern Chinese empire and Corea).
1579: Vladicaucas founded at the same place as IOTL (the name means "rule the Caucasus", it's a logical choice).
~1580: Settlements in Novorossiya have reached the Pacific. Since the Russians now have settled OTL Ukraine and Siberia, they start to expand to other areas.
1580s: The "parties" of Novorossiya start to take form - on the one hand, the "Westerners" who want to preserve ties to Vladimir-Suzdal and Russian traditions, OTOH the "Chunkvophiles" who want to introduce Chinese thoughts they find useful. Ironically, the former are strict defenders of the democratic rights (as in the vyetjes), while the latter have at least some sympathies for the imperial idea.
1583: Alyeska (Alaska) discovered by Russian sailors.
1584: Start of the reign of Grand Prince Pyotr of Vladimir-Suzdal, who'll become the first Czar.
1586-90: Russian-Polovtsian War. All the lands between Dniepr and Don (except the Crimea and Tauria north of it) become Russian.
1589: Novorossiyan cities start to develop a defense network to coordinate their military.
Sharukan (OTL Charkov), capital of the Kumans, conquered.
1590: Kuriles annexed by Novorossiya.
1591: In Yenisseisk (at OTL Krasnoyarsk's site), a school for Chinese studies is founded, which will later develop into the first university of Novorossiya.
1592: Vladimir-Suzdal attacks Sweden. For the purpose of the war, a new tax is made, which also has to be paid in Novorossiya. Many people there are angry about the tax.
1594: Peace of Vanhakaupunki. Scandinavia has to give Estonia and parts of Finland to Russia.
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Post by Max Sinister on Nov 4, 2023 18:59:58 GMT
Central Europe 1550-1600
Since 1550: The trade of the Netherlands is painfully reduced; while they did most of the Atlantean trade, even that of other nations, the Triple Monarchy of England-Castille-Portugal doesn't need them any more after the war. Economical crisis.
1560-66: Netherlands make war against the Gottesfreistaat Münster, but are defeated.
1560s: In the Netherlands, the so-called Puritan movements starts. They are radically against any kind of luxury, especially in the church. Many are expelled, have to go to the colonies in North Atlantis.
1562: Greifen dynasty dies out, Pomerania inherited by the Hohenzollern.
1566-70: Brandenburg-Silesia, Bavaria and Thuringia-Meissen (OTL Thuringia and SW Saxony) ally and fight the Bohemian theocracy in the Anti-Bohemian War, annex the Sudetenland.
1568: Netherlands topple unpopular king Reinald IV, make his younger brother Eduard I king.
1570s: In Florence, the influx of Southern Italians leads to the rich merchants being questioned about their lifestyle. In reaction, the Matthewan movement starts, which defends their wealth. (Like OTL Calvin's teachings, they draw biblical support for their theory from the "Parable of the talents", from the Gospel of Matthew.) The duke rules that the Matthewan interpretation of the Bible is the right one, and dissenters are displaced to the mountain areas of Italia Nuova.
1575: Florence appointed Grand Duchy for its efforts in the war against the Rum-Seljuks.
1577: Estates of Slovakia accept new Hungarian king Ferenc I.
1580-87: Bohemian-Hungarian War. The theocracy of Bohemia is defeated, its king sent to exile in Atlantis, to be safe. Bohemia becomes part of the Bourbon domain.
1581/82: Gottesfreistaat Münster attacks the little country of Oldenburg, conquers it. Netherlands and Nassau feel seriously threatened, ask E-C-P and France for support. In the Netherlands this doesn't work out because their king dies in an unfortunate moment, but Nassau receives help (French musketeers) and defeats Münster, annexes the territories of Tecklenburg, Ravensberg, Paderborn. The religious dissenters who don't want to reconvert flee, some of them even to Atlantis.
1584: Alexander / Alasdair IV of Scotland elected Polish king. There are actually two grandsons of the last king alive, but being underage, the Poles want another king, hoping the mighty Alexander can protect them from the Russians.
1586: Alexander elected Roman king, as a compromise between France and the Triple Monarchy of England-Castille-Portugal (which kings are both too young anyway).
1588: Death of Alexander.
Duke and elector Ernst V of Braunschweig-Lüneburg inherits the lands of the last sideline, Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel.
1592-97: Frisia conquered by the Dutch.
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Post by Max Sinister on Nov 9, 2023 3:16:20 GMT
East Asia 1600-1650
Since ~1600: Koreans start piracy against the Nipponese traders.
In the SE Asian states, who are kept in peace with each other by Hong troops and diplomacy, old tensions start to flare up occasionally.
1604 (3301, Yang Wood Dragon): Vijayanagar allies with China against Arabs, Persians, Deccan sultanate.
1611 (3308, Yin Metal Pig): One high official of the Hong killed on Sulu. The emperor orders a harsh punishment of the rebels. This leads to prolonged anti-Chinese uprising among the Muslims there.
1612: Traders from the sultanate of Brunei discover OTL Australia, aren't interested either.
1617 (3314, Yin Fire Snake): Novorossiya pays a symbolic tribute to the Hong emperor, is acknowledged by China.
1620s: Uprisings of the native Atayal and Bunun tribes on Tungning (OTL Taiwan) against Hong rule.
1620: First French ship (coming from Suez) arrives in India. The Seljuk presence in the Indian Ocean makes things too dangerous for trade yet.
1626: Scandinavians from Australia (OTL South Africa!) reach India.
1630s: Swedes visit and learn about the various kingdoms in SE Asia and the Indies.
1631 (3328, Yin Metal Sheep): Thai king protests against the Hong trying to influence internal politics in Ayutthaya.
1638 (3335, Yang Earth Tiger): Pegu (Southern Burma) ruler starts an intrigue at the Hong court against Ayutthaya, gaining the emperor's favor. Pegu annexes the city of Tavoy from Ayutthaya later on.
1642 (3339, Yang Water Horse): Nipponese clash with Russians on Ezo (Hokkaido).
Great flood in Kaifeng, Henan Province results in more than 300,000 casualties.
1648: French traders arrive in Vijayanagar, find out to their surprise that Sweden was there before them.
1649 (3346, Yin Earth Ox): Swedish traders arrive in Canton.
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Post by Max Sinister on Nov 11, 2023 19:25:02 GMT
Muslim world 1600-1650
1599-1604: Triple Monarchy of England-Castille-Portugal and France fight the Rum-Seljuks together in the Great Seljuk War. In the peace of Naples, Seljuks have to give parts of South Italy (Pescara, Benevent) to Florence, the Ionian islands and Crete to Venice, the Sinai to France and core Hungary to Bourbon Hungary. All of Algeria and Tunisia are left to E-C-P.
1605: France starts building many ships in Suez, making it a big trade center, starts competing with Arabs for trade in the Indian Ocean.
Mas'ud IV is toppled by the army and replaced by his brother Süleyman VI.
1606-13: Russian-Kuman War. The Dvoryan republic of Polovtsia now covers all the lands between Don and Dnepr, except for Tauria (the bit between Crimea and last part of Dnepr). The Seljuks are unable to support their tributary.
1610s: Arab pirates start plundering coastal cities of Vijayanagar.
1623: Arab pirates defeated by a combined navy of Hindu and Hong. Maldives lost.
1629: France uses the opportunity to grab Algeria, where the Castillian rule isn't firm enough yet. In the following centuries, it becomes a source for slaves and a place of settlement for French and other Southern Europeans (coming from as far as Bavaria, Austria and Hungary).
1635-46: Second French-Seljuk War. In the peace of Györ, Bourbon Hungary acquires Croatia, Slavonia, Transsylvania and the Banat, France the strategically important Aden, Venice the Peloponnes, Florence the northern half of South Italy. The Italians grumble, however, because they think their share is too small.
1638: Grand Duke Piero III of Florence dies fighting the Seljuks.
1647: After the lost war, sultan Mas'ud V is toppled by the army too, replaced with his young son Kilij Arslan V.
1648: Sher Ali III introduces the printing press to Persia.
Since 1650: Separated from the rest of the Seljuk empire, the governors of Egypt start to aim for more independence.
After the fifth defeat in a row, Seljuk intellectuals (for lack of a better word) suggest a different policy - instead of trying to regain a foot in Europe, the Empire should try to build up a "Greater Seljuk Empire", including many areas in Persia and Choresm, like the empire of sultan Saladin.
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