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Post by lordroel on Aug 13, 2023 14:30:42 GMT
Vice Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Combined Fleet, looked down once again at the report on his desk and the pictures beside it. To say it made for stark reading would be a polite understatement. The presence of a large Royal Navy fleet at Singapore had been confirmed, with the initial British wireless and newspaper reports now backed up by the Japanese defence attaché to Siam, who had been expressly invited to Singapore by this British Admiral Mountbatten. There, he had been given a very gracious reception and a tour of the fleet. The British had claimed a strength of 10 battleships, 3 battlecruisers, 8 carriers, 9 monitors, 21 cruisers, 50 submarines and a shocking 193 escorts and whilst the precise number of smaller vessels could not be verified, the attaché’s report had mentioned counting at least eighty destroyers, all of a quite unfamiliar design. There had also been a number of other strange ships, described by their erstwhile hosts as ‘amphibious warships’; at least two of them seemed to be former battleships of some sort. Singapore had been literally crawling with British troops, all Royal Marines looking decidedly unfriendly. Each of the British battleships that had been deliberately shown off bore a familiar name, but were clearly not the vessels detailed in Janes and the Imperial Japanese Navy’s own extensive intelligence reports, each being easily larger than the Hood. Their casual mention of 18” armament - which had seemed so fantastical that short while ago - had been apparently accurate, or close to it, and each ship bristled with a strange array of secondary guns and dozens upon dozens of light anti-aircraft guns.Rather more disconcerting had been the rather off hand reference to the top secret attributes of the Yamato class battleships, with Mountbatten remarking that ‘These old girls aren’t quite as shiny as your Yamato and Musashi, but an extra 20,000 tons can get one a lot of polish as well as that extra 18 incher, I’ll wager!’ The main message that had been politely communicated was that this fleet was but a shadow of the main force now heading back to European waters, ‘temporarily, of course, old chap.’ They had seemed to be quite open of their plans and intentions, talking openly about escorting a Royal Marine Division to French Indochina for a ‘goodwill visit’. The attaché had noted that any attempts to steer the conversation onto aircraft carriers was firmly stonewalled, with them being described as out of port on manoeuvres and exercise; strangely, one of the British admiral’s staff had quipped ‘that would seem to be a bit of a muddle for you; it could be habit forming!’ before being shushed. Three conclusions were obvious. Firstly, the existing Japanese battlefleet was clearly outmatched somehow by this Britain. Secondly, they were clearly hiding something, and it wasn’t just their carriers. Thirdly, the prospect of expansion to the south had been turned on its head. Seems Vice Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto got the message, will the Imperial cabinet under the leadership of Tojo get it as well.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 13, 2023 14:35:03 GMT
Tojo isn’t Prime Minister. He isn’t even Minister of War yet, but Inspector-General of Army Aviation. His faction is on the rise, but the world just changed.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 13, 2023 14:43:36 GMT
Tojo isn’t Prime Minister. He isn’t even Minister of War yet, but Inspector-General of Army Aviation. His faction is on the rise, but the world just changed. So how would DE Britain reacht if Japan goes the Northern route.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 13, 2023 14:54:05 GMT
A lot is going to happen prior to late 1941, but a Japanese clash with the Soviets would be of no issue to British interests; one enemy fighting another.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 13, 2023 17:36:24 GMT
A lot is going to happen prior to late 1941, but a Japanese clash with the Soviets would be of no issue to British interests; one enemy fighting another. Well seeing both the Soviet Union and Japan fight will waken them and it will cost DE Britain nothing.
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Post by stevep on Aug 13, 2023 17:38:46 GMT
Tojo isn’t Prime Minister. He isn’t even Minister of War yet, but Inspector-General of Army Aviation. His faction is on the rise, but the world just changed. So how would DE Britain reacht if Japan goes the Northern route.
They might consider this as the oil embargo isn't in place yet so their not facing a war or retreat from China choice. Not likely to help them much as Germany isn't going to be invading the western Soviet empire here.
I would suspect that Britain would be happy with a Soviet-Japanese war, in the short term. However if that meant the Soviets 'liberating' much of northern China then that would be a matter of concern.
Which would raise an issue as China, like much of our world isn't as monarchic as the DE world is. Will they support the KMT or seek some other option? Ditto in other areas are there going to be attempts to revive deposed monarchies in parts of Europe especially although that could be a struggle.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 14, 2023 2:11:15 GMT
Steve is quite right - this is June 1940, or before the occupation of French Indochina which served as the final straw for US action. Shokaku and Zuikaku are still under construction, leaving the IJN with 4 fleet carriers and 2 light aircraft carriers. As a preemptive answer to a potential question from Lordroel, no, that isn't enough to do anything. They have no window, with RAF and RNAS aircraft beginning redeployment to Malaya within days and the first Army division to follow within a week; it is just a matter of transport bottlenecks.
The British are bluffing the Japanese about their carrier presence in the Far East, until such time as a mixture of 1940 and DE 1943 ships can be redeployed; without giving away too much, a few of the Grand Fleet's ships will be stopping off at Colombo and nipping back to Singers to mess up any intelligence they think they have gained from the deliberate revelations. Their '8 carriers' currently consist of some aircraft transports, seaplane carriers, a maintenance ship and various other auxiliaries photographed at longish range and dressed up as carriers.
Knocking out the Regia Marina will not take very long, given the overwhelming numbers and technological advantage. After that, the deployment of the most modern British battleships will likely be directed by infrastructure. Their carriers, being able to be accommodated by the downtime facilities in Singapore, will face no such constraints, nor will the 20" capital ships currently at home and in the Mediterranean, nor will the Orion class battlecruisers (broad RN equivalents to the @ Alaskas in their niche, being 16" armed ~48000t 'child sized' battlecruisers built to act as carrier escorts and cruiser killers), which have four further ships suspended partway through their construction.
On Chinese monarchy and European postwar politics: I'm not going to take this story that far. I want it to be a contained little yarn, not another multi-year project with spin offs and endless delving into the results. It is something that is easy to type a few hundred words whilst winding down after a late shift, not a big project.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 30, 2023 16:20:15 GMT
Iosef Dzugashvili, better known to the world as Stalin, did not like surprises. Not when they happened to him, that is. The events of the last three days, then, had come as a continual litany of surprises.
First the Fall of Paris, with all that entailed for the seemingly inevitable collapse of French and British resistance against Nazi Germany. That had barely had time to register before the accounts of something very strange occurring in regards to England, culminating in what had seemed as the frankly insane bravado of a gaggle of delusional imperialists on their last legs - the first radio broadcast, calling for Italian and German surrender. The report of Foch showing up in Bordeaux had seemed equally fantastic, even if it did come from quite highly positioned sources, but now…now he was not so sure.
Then had come the bombing raids of yesterday on Berlin and Italy. In both cases, the reports of Soviet diplomats and friendly neutrals had indicated that the scale had been quite unparalleled. The English claims of thousands of bombers - thousands, where even the idea of a thousand bombers would have seemed absurd! - would make sense with the scale of destruction. If that was true, then something very strange was happening…
Beria’s report had said that the Cripps and indeed the whole English embassy was very much in the dark as to the change in mood, capability and strategy from home, prior to the arrival of an urgent diplomatic courier via Sweden, after which there had been no further news. The only sign that something was afoot was Cripps requesting a formal meeting with Molotov tomorrow morning. There was also the quite baffling request for a personal representative of Prime Minister Churchill to fly directly to Moscow. Stalin was a man who did not like to baffled.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 30, 2023 17:12:45 GMT
Iosef Dzugashvili, better known to the world as Stalin, did not like surprises. Not when they happened to him, that is. The events of the last three days, then, had come as a continual litany of surprises. First the Fall of Paris, with all that entailed for the seemingly inevitable collapse of French and British resistance against Nazi Germany. That had barely had time to register before the accounts of something very strange occurring in regards to England, culminating in what had seemed as the frankly insane bravado of a gaggle of delusional imperialists on their last legs - the first radio broadcast, calling for Italian and German surrender. The report of Foch showing up in Bordeaux had seemed equally fantastic, even if it did come from quite highly positioned sources, but now…now he was not so sure. Then had come the bombing raids of yesterday on Berlin and Italy. In both cases, the reports of Soviet diplomats and friendly neutrals had indicated that the scale had been quite unparalleled. The English claims of thousands of bombers - thousand s, where even the idea of a thousand bombers would have seemed absurd! - would make sense with the scale of destruction. If that was true, then something very strange was happening… Beria’s report had said that the Cripps and indeed the whole English embassy was very much in the dark as to the change in mood, capability and strategy from home, prior to the arrival of an urgent diplomatic courier via Sweden, after which there had been no further news. The only sign that something was afoot was Cripps requesting a formal meeting with Molotov tomorrow morning. There was also the quite baffling request for a personal representative of Prime Minister Churchill to fly directly to Moscow. Stalin was a man who did not like to baffled. So does the DE Britain Prime Minister Churchill look and acht like his OTL counterpart.
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Post by stevep on Aug 30, 2023 19:04:23 GMT
Iosef Dzugashvili, better known to the world as Stalin, did not like surprises. Not when they happened to him, that is. The events of the last three days, then, had come as a continual litany of surprises. First the Fall of Paris, with all that entailed for the seemingly inevitable collapse of French and British resistance against Nazi Germany. That had barely had time to register before the accounts of something very strange occurring in regards to England, culminating in what had seemed as the frankly insane bravado of a gaggle of delusional imperialists on their last legs - the first radio broadcast, calling for Italian and German surrender. The report of Foch showing up in Bordeaux had seemed equally fantastic, even if it did come from quite highly positioned sources, but now…now he was not so sure. Then had come the bombing raids of yesterday on Berlin and Italy. In both cases, the reports of Soviet diplomats and friendly neutrals had indicated that the scale had been quite unparalleled. The English claims of thousands of bombers - thousand s, where even the idea of a thousand bombers would have seemed absurd! - would make sense with the scale of destruction. If that was true, then something very strange was happening… Beria’s report had said that the Cripps and indeed the whole English embassy was very much in the dark as to the change in mood, capability and strategy from home, prior to the arrival of an urgent diplomatic courier via Sweden, after which there had been no further news. The only sign that something was afoot was Cripps requesting a formal meeting with Molotov tomorrow morning. There was also the quite baffling request for a personal representative of Prime Minister Churchill to fly directly to Moscow. Stalin was a man who did not like to baffled.
I would assume that he's also concerned about the sudden silence of all his intelligence sources in the UK as I doubt any of them exist in the DE TL.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 31, 2023 12:21:04 GMT
Iosef Dzugashvili, better known to the world as Stalin, did not like surprises. Not when they happened to him, that is. The events of the last three days, then, had come as a continual litany of surprises. First the Fall of Paris, with all that entailed for the seemingly inevitable collapse of French and British resistance against Nazi Germany. That had barely had time to register before the accounts of something very strange occurring in regards to England, culminating in what had seemed as the frankly insane bravado of a gaggle of delusional imperialists on their last legs - the first radio broadcast, calling for Italian and German surrender. The report of Foch showing up in Bordeaux had seemed equally fantastic, even if it did come from quite highly positioned sources, but now…now he was not so sure. Then had come the bombing raids of yesterday on Berlin and Italy. In both cases, the reports of Soviet diplomats and friendly neutrals had indicated that the scale had been quite unparalleled. The English claims of thousands of bombers - thousand s, where even the idea of a thousand bombers would have seemed absurd! - would make sense with the scale of destruction. If that was true, then something very strange was happening… Beria’s report had said that the Cripps and indeed the whole English embassy was very much in the dark as to the change in mood, capability and strategy from home, prior to the arrival of an urgent diplomatic courier via Sweden, after which there had been no further news. The only sign that something was afoot was Cripps requesting a formal meeting with Molotov tomorrow morning. There was also the quite baffling request for a personal representative of Prime Minister Churchill to fly directly to Moscow. Stalin was a man who did not like to baffled. So does the DE Britain Prime Minister Churchill look and acht like his OTL counterpart. Second go at this interesting question: In terms of his looks and general physical appearance, he is very similar indeed, with two areas of difference. Firstly, he is 6'1" rather than 5'6", a testament to the combination of (very ancient) elven blood, magical influences in the air and earth making for slightly taller humans in the British Isles and the cumulative influence of centuries of better nutrition through more meat. Also, as a generalisation, the upper classes have a very slightly higher average height, coming from breeding within the aristocracy and even more of the aforementioned improved nutrition. Secondly, as of the early 1940s, he looks like he did in ~1920. This comes from the very small effects of longer lifespans, but particularly from that same phenomenon we see in Hollywood types and celebrities today of getting some sort of 'work' done. Rather than Botox, plastic surgery and the like, DE has rejuvenation potions that make someone look a bit younger and spruced up. For Churchill, the most notable difference we'd see is slightly less jowly cheeks and less of an extra chin, along with a ruddier complexion. As far as his actions are concerned, they are again very similar, but just slightly modified by the world he has lived in, the company he has kept and the experiences he has gone through. The world has impacted him by slightly modifying his views on race and nationality to those generally held in DE by men of his class and generation; it is hard for the same views to develop in a world not only with other intelligent humanoid species, but life on other planets. He has many of the same friends/cronies, along with a Lord Birkenhead who doesn't die young in 1930, former South African PM Cecil Rhodes, an Australian cavalry officer chum from the South African War, two more younger brothers as well as Jack, a Scottish warrior priest and a Jewish wizard. In his family, he also has a younger son, William, as well as his daughter Marigold not dying in infancy. His tastes are almost all the same - Havana cigars, but more often chewed than chain smoked and never inhaled; excellent champagne and brandy and blended whisky, but almost never to the actual point of drunkeness; and insofar as food is concerned, a great enjoyment of traditional English dishes and meats, along with shellfish, bottled orange juice, clear soups, Indian curries and certain French dishes appropriate to his class and time. The only alteration I've made is to his preferred foods, where he doesn't dislike black pudding and has even more of a yen for beefsteak and roast beef. His experiences have been broadly similar, but without several of the same 'downs' in his career, most notably the Dardanelles expedition having a very different basis and outcome. He serves as Foreign Secretary between 1921 and 1924, providing for a clean sweep of the Great Offices of State. His 'wilderness years' consist of the period of National Government from 1929-1933, where the nominal Liberal leadership precluded his inclusion in the Cabinet. During this time, he doesn't quite get wiped out by the Great Crash and recovers much of his financial breathing space in the rebuilding economy. He doesn't have either 'great cause' of the mid 1930s to dash himself upon in the absence of the same India debate or the Abdication Crisis. After the 1933 General Election and the return to power of Baldwin's Conservatives in their own right, he is Secretary of State for Air from 1933-1936 and First Lord of the Admiralty from 1937-1940; in the Cabinet formally but not quite in the inner circle of Baldwin and Chamberlain's clique, at least until the rolling start to mobilisation from the beginning of 1939. Less of a Cassandra and more of one who progressively comes in from the wilderness, but that is related to a wholesale discussion of DE 'appeasement' and the different events of 1936-1939 that build up to the war. Prior to all that, by the by, he is knighted in 1919 in the aftermath of the victory in the Great War, retired as a Major General in the Territorials in 1924 and won the Victoria Cross at the Battle of Diamond Hill in the South African War. So, like many things in DE, a slight level of physical difference, but a bit more below the surface.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 31, 2023 12:22:35 GMT
Iosef Dzugashvili, better known to the world as Stalin, did not like surprises. Not when they happened to him, that is. The events of the last three days, then, had come as a continual litany of surprises. First the Fall of Paris, with all that entailed for the seemingly inevitable collapse of French and British resistance against Nazi Germany. That had barely had time to register before the accounts of something very strange occurring in regards to England, culminating in what had seemed as the frankly insane bravado of a gaggle of delusional imperialists on their last legs - the first radio broadcast, calling for Italian and German surrender. The report of Foch showing up in Bordeaux had seemed equally fantastic, even if it did come from quite highly positioned sources, but now…now he was not so sure. Then had come the bombing raids of yesterday on Berlin and Italy. In both cases, the reports of Soviet diplomats and friendly neutrals had indicated that the scale had been quite unparalleled. The English claims of thousands of bombers - thousand s, where even the idea of a thousand bombers would have seemed absurd! - would make sense with the scale of destruction. If that was true, then something very strange was happening… Beria’s report had said that the Cripps and indeed the whole English embassy was very much in the dark as to the change in mood, capability and strategy from home, prior to the arrival of an urgent diplomatic courier via Sweden, after which there had been no further news. The only sign that something was afoot was Cripps requesting a formal meeting with Molotov tomorrow morning. There was also the quite baffling request for a personal representative of Prime Minister Churchill to fly directly to Moscow. Stalin was a man who did not like to baffled.
I would assume that he's also concerned about the sudden silence of all his intelligence sources in the UK as I doubt any of them exist in the DE TL. He would be, if he knew it were so. At this time, Beria is keeping that whole side of the business very quiet. The Vohzd doesn't know about the full minutiae of Soviet intelligence operations in Britain and Lavrenty intends to keep it that way.
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Post by stevep on Aug 31, 2023 15:41:24 GMT
I would assume that he's also concerned about the sudden silence of all his intelligence sources in the UK as I doubt any of them exist in the DE TL. He would be, if he knew it were so. At this time, Beria is keeping that whole side of the business very quiet. The Vohzd doesn't know about the full minutiae of Soviet intelligence operations in Britain and Lavrenty intends to keep it that way.
Good point although that could be unhealthy for Beria if the boss finds out he's been kept in the dark. Mind you who would squeal on a figure as popular and respected as Beria?
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 31, 2023 15:44:36 GMT
There is a character limit on the size of posts, Steve, and I’d certainly go over it if I were to list those who’d peach on poor ol’ Lavrenty.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 12, 2023 14:25:26 GMT
Back with a new bit:
The first days of Operation Deliverance pushed the logistical capacity of the Breton and Norman points to breaking point, with a great bottleneck of men and vehicles clogging the roads out of the ports and the limited railways running at maximum capacity pushing troops forward to the front line. As scheduled, the ‘Old British’ and French forces were filtered through to the lines of communication for rest, refitting and eventual rearmament, but this too acted to congest the avenues of transport. The use of a large portion of the priceless skyship armada for the sole purpose of supply delivery to inland dumps was one vital means that eased this process, but to some commanders, the organised chaos was akin to Dunkirk in reverse in certain ways. The administrative movement of the major combat and support units of the reinforced British First Army would take several days to complete after the 16th, with congestion of shipping in the ports and harbours of Southern England acting as a further constraint; Second Army has much the worse of the traffic jam. By June 20th, British I Corps and I Canadian Corps had pushed forward to Caen and Avranches, relieving the erstwhile Second British Expeditionary Force’s front, whilst I Anzac Corps held the line down to Rennes and IV British Corps covered the southern portion of the bridgehead alongside the French.
The nearest mobile German unit to the first objective line had been the 5th Panzer Division, which had been reduced to a combat ineffective rump by a terrific concentration of fighter-bomber attacks and dragonstrikes over the 15th and 16th, with longer ranged attack aircraft, light bombers and strike fighters being dispatched to hit the 9th and 10th Panzer Divisions further south. The Luftwaffe’s fighters made for scant opposition against the Spitfires, Tempests and Mustangs of the RAF over Western France, with a strong air envelope being established that reached down to the beleaguered French in Bordeaux.
German Army Group B could muster 30 infantry divisions, a motorised division and the 1st Cavalry Division, yet this was far from concentrated, being spread out across the German western flank. As such, direct contact with the mustering British and Commonwealth forces was relatively rare and, where it did occur, saw the German units encounter a concentration of firepower that for them was unprecedented, with garbled reports of automatic 25pdrs and massed machine gun fire filtering up the German chain of command, along with near fantastical reactions to the seemingly invulnerable Centurion tanks.
In the main, though, contact along the new front was largely the stuff of mobile reconnaissance troops and special forces, with the Commandos, Reconnaissance Corps and Special Air Service hitting German forward forces wherever contact could be made. One such engagement saw a heavily outnumbered SAS patrol, pinned down by German fire, deploy a terrible weapon as yet unknown to the battlefields of this world.
Joke warfare.
Upon the utterance of the dolorous couplet, translated into the Teutonic for safety, the Hun were struck down by hideous and uncontrollable paroxysms of frenzied mirth until the entire platoon expired, stone dead. This was the only notable direct use of magic against the German Army, with other surprises being husbanded away for the time of the great offensive. With the exception of the use of The Joke, it was the stuff of more conventional, if equally shocking weapons, such as the terrible rain of ruin delivered by the swarms of tactical warplanes from above.
For now, sufficient unto the day was the evil thereof.
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