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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Feb 27, 2023 9:42:54 GMT
The ISOT includes colonies.
European part of Portugal likely falls into Roman hands and the monarchy flees to Brazil or is captured. How do the remaining parts of Portugal deal with Rome?
Does Rome make use of Portuguese technology (i.e firearms, better navigation and shipbuilding)?
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Post by stevep on Feb 28, 2023 12:30:16 GMT
The ISOT includes colonies. European part of Portugal likely falls into Roman hands and the monarchy flees to Brazil or is captured. How do the remaining parts of Portugal deal with Rome? Does Rome make use of Portuguese technology (i.e firearms, better navigation and shipbuilding)?
Well its slightly complicated by the fact that technically Portugal and its empire doesn't exist in 1600 as it was annexed to Spain in 1580 and only regained independence in 1640. As such there will be some Spanish forces present and also during this time period the Dutch were replacing the Portuguese as the primary power in the East Indies, Ceylon and the Cape and contesting their control of northern Brazil. As such without checking up the details not sure what parts of the Portuguese empire would be brought along.
Rome is pretty much in its peak and under emperor Claudius so has reasonably decent government although unless its butterflied Claudius dies and Nero becomes emperor in 54AD. Its in 50AD - although the wiki entry for Nero says it was Feb 49 AD - that Claudius's 4th wife, Nero's mother persuaded him to accept Nero as his heir.
However I'm doubtful that Rome would conquer the Portuguese homeland, unless there was serious internal problems that allowed this. The Portuguese have much more advanced technology, especially in naval and gunpowder weapons but in other regions as well. Their going to control the seas which will make shipping forces or supplies by sea, much the easiest way very difficult. Similarly the close order formations that the Roman legions use could struggle against muskets and are going to be slaughtered by canon, even apart from the shock effect of the weapons. Also the Portuguese have much better knowledge of the wider world - albeit from a different time - and once they realise some of their colonies have been brought along that will give them additional resources.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Mar 1, 2023 12:19:20 GMT
How long until Roman troops get used to cannon and musket fire?
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Post by stevep on Mar 1, 2023 17:30:06 GMT
How long until Roman troops get used to cannon and musket fire?
Would depend on events. Possibly not before much of the western empire is in Portuguese hands. After all to them Rome isn't an imperial capital but the home of the Papacy as well as potentially very valuable in terms of loot and other resources.
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