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Post by lordroel on Mar 6, 2023 17:20:19 GMT
Bombing runs i presume on Prussian high value targets like camps, headquarters, artillery position and so on. Those would be valuable target though mostly the Artillery and Headquarters - the Infantry will be taken care off by the Army with Machineguns - and Artillery. By a mix of 1864 and 1940 Danish forces i presume. |
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Post by 575 on Mar 6, 2023 17:22:27 GMT
Those would be valuable target though mostly the Artillery and Headquarters - the Infantry will be taken care off by the Army with Machineguns - and Artillery. By a mix of 1864 and 1940 Danish forces i presume. It will naturally as the 1864 is waiting for the onslaught and the 1940 is moving south to come to the resque.  |
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Post by 575 on Mar 7, 2023 19:09:02 GMT
Copenhagen Navy Ministry 7 PM 10 April 1940/ 2 February 1864
Vice-Admiral Rechnitzer entered the office of Read-Admiral Hammerich ordering a reorganization of the Operational Navy;
The Frederikshavn Squadron headed by Armoured Ship Peder Skram and modern Torpedoboats Dragen, Hvalen and Laxen as well as the Submarine Squadron at Aahus consisting of Havfruen, Havmanden and Havkalen and the Depotship Henrik Gerner was to join the Frederikshavn Squadron renamed 1. Squadron and head to Esbjerg on the West Coast of Jutland.
Surveying Vessel Hejmdal at Hirtshals, North Jutland was also to join the 1. Squadron but for the time stay at Hirtshals.
The Patrol Vessel Beskytteren would remain at Esbjerg to double as a Depotship for the Submarines but also to be utilized to move supplies to Lieutenant Hammer in the Wadden Sea.
Niels Juel when fully mobilized would head 2. Squadron patrolling the Baltic – the Squadron would also consist of Torpedoboats Glenten, Høgen, Minesweepers (old Torpedoboats) Søløven, Søridderen, Støren, Inspectionship Hvidbjørnen, Patrolvessel Nordkaperen and Minesweeper Springeren both old Torpedoboats, Patrolvessel (old Torpedoboat) Sælen, Surveyingvessel Freja which would act Depotship for the Submarines Daphne, Dryaden, Rota and Flora.
A reserve of old Torpedoboats Havørnen, Søhunden, Makrellen, Havkatten, Hvalrossen, Søbjørnen, Søulven, Narhvalen along the old Submarines Bellona, Ran, Triton, Galathea and their Depotship Grønsund could possibly form a reserve 3. Squadron if need be. Though that would require a callup of reserves.
The rechartered three icebreakers would assist the Squadrons where needed.
Navy Airstation Copenhagen would finish overhaul of Aircraft as soon as possible to form a 3. Airflotilla of Observation/Lightbombers and the two Torpedobombers/Bombers join the 2. Airflotilla.
As the Vice-Admiral had finished Rear-Admiral Hammerich asked about mobilizing the Navy which the Vice-Admiral rejected in the current situation and with regards to winter that was most probably keeping the Prussian Navy in port.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 7, 2023 19:17:48 GMT
Copenhagen Navy Ministry 7 PM 10 April 1940/ 2 February 1864 Vice-Admiral Rechnitzer entered the office of Read-Admiral Hammerich ordering a reorganization of the Operational Navy; The Frederikshavn Squadron headed by Armoured Ship Peder Skram and modern Torpedoboats Dragen, Hvalen and Laxen as well as the Submarine Squadron at Aahus consisting of Havfruen, Havmanden and Havkalen and the Depotship Henrik Gerner was to join the Frederikshavn Squadron renamed 1. Squadron and head to Esbjerg on the West Coast of Jutland. Surveying Vessel Hejmdal at Hirtshals, North Jutland was also to join the 1. Squadron but for the time stay at Hirtshals. The Patrol Vessel Beskytteren would remain at Esbjerg to double as a Depotship for the Submarines but also to be utilized to move supplies to Lieutenant Hammer in the Wadden Sea. Niels Juel when fully mobilized would head 2. Squadron patrolling the Baltic – the Squadron would also consist of Torpedoboats Glenten, Høgen, Minesweepers (old Torpedoboats) Søløven, Søridderen, Støren, Inspectionship Hvidbjørnen, Patrolvessel Nordkaperen and Minesweeper Springeren both old Torpedoboats, Patrolvessel (old Torpedoboat) Sælen, Surveyingvessel Freja which would act Depotship for the Submarines Daphne, Dryaden, Rota and Flora. A reserve of old Torpedoboats Havørnen, Søhunden, Makrellen, Havkatten, Hvalrossen, Søbjørnen, Søulven, Narhvalen along the old Submarines Bellona, Ran, Triton, Galathea and their Depotship Grønsund could possibly form a reserve 3. Squadron if need be. Though that would require a callup of reserves. The rechartered three icebreakers would assist the Squadrons where needed. Navy Airstation Copenhagen would finish overhaul of Aircraft as soon as possible to form a 3. Airflotilla of Observation/Lightbombers and the two Torpedobombers/Bombers join the 2. Airflotilla. As the Vice-Admiral had finished Rear-Admiral Hammerich asked about mobilizing the Navy which the Vice-Admiral rejected in the current situation and with regards to winter that was most probably keeping the Prussian Navy in port. So if the Prussian Navy remains in port due to the winter, will the 1940 Daniash Navy be able to create Danish naval infantry units if needed to support operations on land. |
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Post by 575 on Mar 10, 2023 17:21:49 GMT
Copenhagen Navy Ministry 7 PM 10 April 1940/ 2 February 1864 Vice-Admiral Rechnitzer entered the office of Read-Admiral Hammerich ordering a reorganization of the Operational Navy; The Frederikshavn Squadron headed by Armoured Ship Peder Skram and modern Torpedoboats Dragen, Hvalen and Laxen as well as the Submarine Squadron at Aahus consisting of Havfruen, Havmanden and Havkalen and the Depotship Henrik Gerner was to join the Frederikshavn Squadron renamed 1. Squadron and head to Esbjerg on the West Coast of Jutland. Surveying Vessel Hejmdal at Hirtshals, North Jutland was also to join the 1. Squadron but for the time stay at Hirtshals. The Patrol Vessel Beskytteren would remain at Esbjerg to double as a Depotship for the Submarines but also to be utilized to move supplies to Lieutenant Hammer in the Wadden Sea. Niels Juel when fully mobilized would head 2. Squadron patrolling the Baltic – the Squadron would also consist of Torpedoboats Glenten, Høgen, Minesweepers (old Torpedoboats) Søløven, Søridderen, Støren, Inspectionship Hvidbjørnen, Patrolvessel Nordkaperen and Minesweeper Springeren both old Torpedoboats, Patrolvessel (old Torpedoboat) Sælen, Surveyingvessel Freja which would act Depotship for the Submarines Daphne, Dryaden, Rota and Flora. A reserve of old Torpedoboats Havørnen, Søhunden, Makrellen, Havkatten, Hvalrossen, Søbjørnen, Søulven, Narhvalen along the old Submarines Bellona, Ran, Triton, Galathea and their Depotship Grønsund could possibly form a reserve 3. Squadron if need be. Though that would require a callup of reserves. The rechartered three icebreakers would assist the Squadrons where needed. Navy Airstation Copenhagen would finish overhaul of Aircraft as soon as possible to form a 3. Airflotilla of Observation/Lightbombers and the two Torpedobombers/Bombers join the 2. Airflotilla. As the Vice-Admiral had finished Rear-Admiral Hammerich asked about mobilizing the Navy which the Vice-Admiral rejected in the current situation and with regards to winter that was most probably keeping the Prussian Navy in port. So if the Prussian Navy remains in port due to the winter, will the 1940 Daniash Navy be able to create Danish naval infantry units if needed to support operations on land. First off the Vice-Admiral won't like such nonsense being uttered! Secondly the Sailors are prime human materiel but shouldn't be wasted on such an endeavor and at some time the Austrian Navy will arrive. There will be other uses for the Navy one being to show the Flag in the North Atlantic and the West Indies as well as the North Sea and Baltic. It would really be a waste as the Army would have to leave resources for training a technical arm in the Infantry role. The Army NCO's will have plenty on their hands as the Army have called up the demobilized troops as of a few months before.
The Bornholm troops are actually the Danish Marines Regiment and alive and kicking; as Bornholm probably won't be in the firing line perhaps.. don't expect too much though.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 10, 2023 17:23:58 GMT
So if the Prussian Navy remains in port due to the winter, will the 1940 Daniash Navy be able to create Danish naval infantry units if needed to support operations on land. First off the Vice-Admiral won't like such nonsense being uttered!
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Post by 575 on Mar 10, 2023 17:40:53 GMT
Copenhagen Primeministers Office 8PM 10 April 1940/ 2 February 1864
Stauning, Conservative Leader Christmas Møller, Liberal Leader Thomas Madsen-Mygdahl, Minister of Interior Bertel Dahlgaard Social Liberals. The Social Liberal leader Foreign Minister P. Munch presently at the Imperial Diet in Frankfurt a.M.
Stauning: ”This morning Danish Army Troops were involved in defending Mysunde on the Slie Fiord against Prussian attack” - Conservative and Liberal nodding, Social Liberal creased brow and looking down - ”the Army incurred only few losses; three Soldiers dead five wounded, the wounded are hospitalized. The 1864 Army incurred losses of 7 Officers, 115 Soldiers dead or wounded. I am still awaiting the final numbers as some are still undergoing surgery.”
Thomas Madsen-Mygdahl, Liberal Leader: ”And the outcome of Battle?”
Stauning: ”At 3 PM the Prussians asked for a cease-fire to collect their wounded prior to leaving battle.”
TMM and Christmas Møller, Conservative Leader: ”Yay! Prussia defeated.”
Christmas Møller, Conservative Leader: ”Though with almost as many losses as the 1864 we knew of? Doesn't look good.”
Stauning: ”General Prior had orders not to cross into Slesvig untill Battle had commenced – we still had to try the way of negotiating. Foreign Minister P. Munch travelled to Frankfurt a. M. this morning to address the Imperial Diet. The Austrian President of the Imperial Diet Aloys von Kühbeck have bestowed exterritorial status to the Foreign Minister to make him able to address the Diet at its weekly session next week.”
TMM: ”So he haven't been able to address the Diet?”
Stauning: ”No, as You both know things take time in German as in Danish Politics. We cannot force the issue as even the German Confederation was hostile to the 1863 Constitution. We have been lucky to be able to get into the Palais Thurn und Tarxis!”
Minister of Interior Bertel Dahlgaard, Social Liberals: ”Gentlemen, the Primeminister have honored his Coalition Partner in trying the way of Diplomacy which so far have been a success” looking sternly at both TMM and CM ”yes, a success to be able to enter the Diet and be allowed to speak our case though I expect the Prussian Delegate to try bar that so Dr. Munch will use the time untill the weekly meeting to gain allies to our cause – the yet unknown future of Fürst Bismarcks designs for Germany and the German States as well as Austria. Now I'm sure the Primeminister will honor his promise to invite You for seats in a National Unity Government.”
Stauning: ”My dear Dahlgaard that was exactly what would be my next utterings. So leaders of Liberals and Conservatives will You share the burden of Governing the Country during this crisis?”
TMM: ”The Liberal party is of course ready to join a National Unity Government to secure the survival of the Nation but also to be able to influence its decisions – still the objective will be national survival and the best decision-making.”
CM: ”I joined the Navy 7 July 1909 as a Cadet along Ole Bjørn Kraft and Kommandørkaptajn (Commander) Kjølsen. I am willing to do anything to aid my old Shipmate Kjølsen wherever he may be thus of course the Conservative Party will join the National Unity Government to see the Nation survive and offer its advice to good decision-making.”
Stauning: ”I don't know of the whereabout of Kommandørkaptajn Kjølsen but he did his best to warn us of German intentions. Thank you for agreeing to join us in Government – now let us get into the real stuff. As You both know Government decided to change the Neutrality orders yesterday as it became aware of the new political situation thus our Army and Navy reacted to Prussian and Austrian violations of the Slesvig border and the more specifically attack upon Danish Armed Forces in Slesvig. Government have made no changes in the leadership of Army and Navy..”
CM: ”No changes? But Rechnitzer is a naive man – he didn't see the way Nazi-Germany worked to undermine the European countries not to its liking. He was even sure there wouldn't be an unprovoked attack though the massing of troops on our border indicated just that and thus didn't give clear orders to his Commanders..”
Stauning: ”Dear Christmas Møller if I may continue; before we enter more specific issues could we do a broad overwiev of the current situation and then get into specifics?” CM nodding ”Thank you – about the situation on supply..”
The four men then ironed out the new National Unity Government:
Primeminister: Thorvald Stauning, Socialdemocratic Party
Minister of Foreign Affairs: P. Munch, Social Liberal Party
Treasurer: Svenning Rytter, Liberal Party
Minister of Defence: Christmas Møller, Conservative Party
Minister of Education: Jørgen Jørgensen, Social Liberal Party
Minister of Justice: Vilhelm Buhl, Socialdemocratic Party
Minister of Public Works: Alsing-Andersen, Socialdemocratic Party
Minister of Trade: Ole Bjørn Kraft, Conservative Party
Minister of Agriculture: Thomas Madsen-Mygdahl, Liberal Party
Minister of Interior: Bertel Dahlgaard, Social Liberal Party
Minister of Church: Johannes Hansen, Socialdemocratic Party
Minister of Social Service: Svend Unmack Larsen, Socialdemocratic Party
Minister without Portfolio: Søren Brorsen, Liberal Party
Minister without Portfolio: Vilhelm Fibiger, Conservative Party
which was presented to the King the next day.
As the meeting was drawing to an end Stauning asked his new Ministers to contact anybody they knew with knowledge or affiliations to their new area of responsibility to establish what contracts were to be fulfilled and what possibilities for making agreements to secure trade of raw materials and other resources needed to keep the Nation able to work and its Armed Forces supplied with needed items. They were also asked to contact anybody in country or abroad that might be of help or service in this hour.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 10, 2023 17:58:37 GMT
Copenhagen Primeministers Office 8PM 10 April 1940/ 2 February 1864 Stauning, Conservative Leader Christmas Møller, Liberal Leader Thomas Madsen-Mygdahl, Minister of Interior Bertel Dahlgaard Social Liberals. The Social Liberal leader Foreign Minister P. Munch presently at the Imperial Diet in Frankfurt a.M. Stauning: ”This morning Danish Army Troops were involved in defending Mysunde on the Slie Fiord against Prussian attack” - Conservative and Liberal nodding, Social Liberal creased brow and looking down - ”the Army incurred only few losses; three Soldiers dead five wounded, the wounded are hospitalized. The 1864 Army incurred losses of 7 Officers, 115 Soldiers dead or wounded. I am still awaiting the final numbers as some are still undergoing surgery.” Thomas Madsen-Mygdahl, Liberal Leader: ”And the outcome of Battle?” Stauning: ”At 3 PM the Prussians asked for a cease-fire to collect their wounded prior to leaving battle.” TMM and Christmas Møller, Conservative Leader: ”Yay! Prussia defeated.” Christmas Møller, Conservative Leader: ”Though with almost as many losses as the 1864 we knew of? Doesn't look good.” Stauning: ”General Prior had orders not to cross into Slesvig untill Battle had commenced – we still had to try the way of negotiating. Foreign Minister P. Munch travelled to Frankfurt a. M. this morning to address the Imperial Diet. The Austrian President of the Imperial Diet Aloys von Kühbeck have bestowed exterritorial status to the Foreign Minister to make him able to address the Diet at its weekly session next week.” TMM: ”So he haven't been able to address the Diet?” Stauning: ”No, as You both know things take time in German as in Danish Politics. We cannot force the issue as even the German Confederation was hostile to the 1863 Constitution. We have been lucky to be able to get into the Palais Thurn und Tarxis!” Minister of Interior Bertel Dahlgaard, Social Liberals: ”Gentlemen, the Primeminister have honored his Coalition Partner in trying the way of Diplomacy which so far have been a success” looking sternly at both TMM and CM ”yes, a success to be able to enter the Diet and be allowed to speak our case though I expect the Prussian Delegate to try bar that so Dr. Munch will use the time untill the weekly meeting to gain allies to our cause – the yet unknown future of Fürst Bismarcks designs for Germany and the German States as well as Austria. Now I'm sure the Primeminister will honor his promise to invite You for seats in a National Unity Government.” Stauning: ”My dear Dahlgaard that was exactly what would be my next utterings. So leaders of Liberals and Conservatives will You share the burden of Governing the Country during this crisis?” TMM: ”The Liberal party is of course ready to join a National Unity Government to secure the survival of the Nation but also to be able to influence its decisions – still the objective will be national survival and the best decision-making.” CM: ”I joined the Navy 7 July 1909 as a Cadet along Ole Bjørn Kraft and Kommandørkaptajn (Commander) Kjølsen. I am willing to do anything to aid my old Shipmate Kjølsen wherever he may be thus of course the Conservative Party will join the National Unity Government to see the Nation survive and offer its advice to good decision-making.” Stauning: ”I don't know of the whereabout of Kommandørkaptajn Kjølsen but he did his best to warn us of German intentions. Thank you for agreeing to join us in Government – now let us get into the real stuff. As You both know Government decided to change the Neutrality orders yesterday as it became aware of the new political situation thus our Army and Navy reacted to Prussian and Austrian violations of the Slesvig border and the more specifically attack upon Danish Armed Forces in Slesvig. Government have made no changes in the leadership of Army and Navy..” CM: ”No changes? But Rechnitzer is a naive man – he didn't see the way Nazi-Germany worked to undermine the European countries not to its liking. He was even sure there wouldn't be an unprovoked attack though the massing of troops on our border indicated just that and thus didn't give clear orders to his Commanders..” Stauning: ”Dear Christmas Møller if I may continue; before we enter more specific issues could we do a broad overwiev of the current situation and then get into specifics?” CM nodding ”Thank you – about the situation on supply..” The four men then ironed out the new National Unity Government: Primeminister: Thorvald Stauning, Socialdemocratic Party Minister of Foreign Affairs: P. Munch, Social Liberal Party Treasurer: Svenning Rytter, Liberal Party Minister of Defence: Christmas Møller, Conservative Party Minister of Education: Jørgen Jørgensen, Social Liberal Party Minister of Justice: Vilhelm Buhl, Socialdemocratic Party Minister of Public Works: Alsing-Andersen, Socialdemocratic Party Minister of Trade: Ole Bjørn Kraft, Conservative Party Minister of Agriculture: Thomas Madsen-Mygdahl, Liberal Party Minister of Interior: Bertel Dahlgaard, Social Liberal Party Minister of Church: Johannes Hansen, Socialdemocratic Party Minister of Social Service: Svend Unmack Larsen, Socialdemocratic Party Minister without Portfolio: Søren Brorsen, Liberal Party Minister without Portfolio: Vilhelm Fibiger, Conservative Party which was presented to the King the next day. As the meeting was drawing to an end Stauning asked his new Ministers to contact anybody they knew with knowledge or affiliations to their new area of responsibility to establish what contracts were to be fulfilled and what possibilities for making agreements to secure trade of raw materials and other resources needed to keep the Nation able to work and its Armed Forces supplied with needed items. They were also asked to contact anybody in country or abroad that might be of help or service in this hour. So would this be the OTL Battle of Mysunde, but i presume a lot more casualties for the Prussians. |
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Post by 575 on Mar 10, 2023 20:28:01 GMT
Copenhagen Primeministers Office 8PM 10 April 1940/ 2 February 1864 Stauning, Conservative Leader Christmas Møller, Liberal Leader Thomas Madsen-Mygdahl, Minister of Interior Bertel Dahlgaard Social Liberals. The Social Liberal leader Foreign Minister P. Munch presently at the Imperial Diet in Frankfurt a.M. Stauning: ”This morning Danish Army Troops were involved in defending Mysunde on the Slie Fiord against Prussian attack” - Conservative and Liberal nodding, Social Liberal creased brow and looking down - ”the Army incurred only few losses; three Soldiers dead five wounded, the wounded are hospitalized. The 1864 Army incurred losses of 7 Officers, 115 Soldiers dead or wounded. I am still awaiting the final numbers as some are still undergoing surgery.” Thomas Madsen-Mygdahl, Liberal Leader: ”And the outcome of Battle?” Stauning: ”At 3 PM the Prussians asked for a cease-fire to collect their wounded prior to leaving battle.” TMM and Christmas Møller, Conservative Leader: ”Yay! Prussia defeated.” Christmas Møller, Conservative Leader: ”Though with almost as many losses as the 1864 we knew of? Doesn't look good.” Stauning: ”General Prior had orders not to cross into Slesvig untill Battle had commenced – we still had to try the way of negotiating. Foreign Minister P. Munch travelled to Frankfurt a. M. this morning to address the Imperial Diet. The Austrian President of the Imperial Diet Aloys von Kühbeck have bestowed exterritorial status to the Foreign Minister to make him able to address the Diet at its weekly session next week.” TMM: ”So he haven't been able to address the Diet?” Stauning: ”No, as You both know things take time in German as in Danish Politics. We cannot force the issue as even the German Confederation was hostile to the 1863 Constitution. We have been lucky to be able to get into the Palais Thurn und Tarxis!” Minister of Interior Bertel Dahlgaard, Social Liberals: ”Gentlemen, the Primeminister have honored his Coalition Partner in trying the way of Diplomacy which so far have been a success” looking sternly at both TMM and CM ”yes, a success to be able to enter the Diet and be allowed to speak our case though I expect the Prussian Delegate to try bar that so Dr. Munch will use the time untill the weekly meeting to gain allies to our cause – the yet unknown future of Fürst Bismarcks designs for Germany and the German States as well as Austria. Now I'm sure the Primeminister will honor his promise to invite You for seats in a National Unity Government.” Stauning: ”My dear Dahlgaard that was exactly what would be my next utterings. So leaders of Liberals and Conservatives will You share the burden of Governing the Country during this crisis?” TMM: ”The Liberal party is of course ready to join a National Unity Government to secure the survival of the Nation but also to be able to influence its decisions – still the objective will be national survival and the best decision-making.” CM: ”I joined the Navy 7 July 1909 as a Cadet along Ole Bjørn Kraft and Kommandørkaptajn (Commander) Kjølsen. I am willing to do anything to aid my old Shipmate Kjølsen wherever he may be thus of course the Conservative Party will join the National Unity Government to see the Nation survive and offer its advice to good decision-making.” Stauning: ”I don't know of the whereabout of Kommandørkaptajn Kjølsen but he did his best to warn us of German intentions. Thank you for agreeing to join us in Government – now let us get into the real stuff. As You both know Government decided to change the Neutrality orders yesterday as it became aware of the new political situation thus our Army and Navy reacted to Prussian and Austrian violations of the Slesvig border and the more specifically attack upon Danish Armed Forces in Slesvig. Government have made no changes in the leadership of Army and Navy..” CM: ”No changes? But Rechnitzer is a naive man – he didn't see the way Nazi-Germany worked to undermine the European countries not to its liking. He was even sure there wouldn't be an unprovoked attack though the massing of troops on our border indicated just that and thus didn't give clear orders to his Commanders..” Stauning: ”Dear Christmas Møller if I may continue; before we enter more specific issues could we do a broad overwiev of the current situation and then get into specifics?” CM nodding ”Thank you – about the situation on supply..” The four men then ironed out the new National Unity Government: Primeminister: Thorvald Stauning, Socialdemocratic Party Minister of Foreign Affairs: P. Munch, Social Liberal Party Treasurer: Svenning Rytter, Liberal Party Minister of Defence: Christmas Møller, Conservative Party Minister of Education: Jørgen Jørgensen, Social Liberal Party Minister of Justice: Vilhelm Buhl, Socialdemocratic Party Minister of Public Works: Alsing-Andersen, Socialdemocratic Party Minister of Trade: Ole Bjørn Kraft, Conservative Party Minister of Agriculture: Thomas Madsen-Mygdahl, Liberal Party Minister of Interior: Bertel Dahlgaard, Social Liberal Party Minister of Church: Johannes Hansen, Socialdemocratic Party Minister of Social Service: Svend Unmack Larsen, Socialdemocratic Party Minister without Portfolio: Søren Brorsen, Liberal Party Minister without Portfolio: Vilhelm Fibiger, Conservative Party which was presented to the King the next day. As the meeting was drawing to an end Stauning asked his new Ministers to contact anybody they knew with knowledge or affiliations to their new area of responsibility to establish what contracts were to be fulfilled and what possibilities for making agreements to secure trade of raw materials and other resources needed to keep the Nation able to work and its Armed Forces supplied with needed items. They were also asked to contact anybody in country or abroad that might be of help or service in this hour. So would this be the OTL Battle of Mysunde, but i presume a lot more casualties for the Prussians. Basically but as posted earlier the arrival of the 1940 force made for slightly less Danish losses but higher Prussian ones - and a lot of lost Prussian Artillery. The Danish 1940 Artillery of 4 tubes would be able to deliver 500 rounds within an hour to the 1200+ of the Prussian Artillery of 64 tubes within 4 hours (OTL). The Krupp 75mm Model 1903 could maintain 8 rounds per minute so the expenditure of 500 rounds isn't out the window if a little optimistic. The Prussian Artillery guns fired around 5 rounds an hour each during the battle. This actually show the huge difference of the Armies; add to this the Madsen Machineguns firing some 400 rounds a minute.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 10, 2023 20:36:44 GMT
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Post by 575 on Mar 10, 2023 20:53:17 GMT
add to this the Madsen Machineguns firing some 400 rounds a minute. I notice, a good looking MG. Well You need a rather firm grip on your machinegun.. |
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Post by 575 on Mar 11, 2023 8:51:05 GMT
Slesvig, Dannevirke Position 8 PM 2 February 1864
During the last hour Col. Harz had been briefing General de Meza of the arriving Danish units of Army Forces South Jutland that had taken up positions to the southwest of Schleswig around Bustrup and east of Haddeby Nor.
The 3. Battery, 8. Battalion, 3. Artillery Regiment had moved from Mysunde to Schleswig and were readying to move to Bustrup joining 14. AA-Battalion to set up among the hills south of Vedelspang west of Haddeby Nor to be able to give fire-support to the units south of the hills that would be on the receiving end of the Austrian attack in the morning.
Fieldphone cables had been laid from the Battery positions to the Artillery Observers placed on Kongehøj, Sortehøj, Grundløs and Dannevirke Forværk (Forward Fieldwork). A rearguard Artillery Observer had been placed in the village of Haddeby to the East of Bustrup – there would also be an attack to the east of the Nor.
The 1. Anti-Tank Engineers Battalion had been reconnoitering the area in front of the hills for any place to build obstacles or clear such. Its 20mm Cannon's had been placed atop Kongehøj to command the area.
The Engineers had also been keen to make sketchmaps in addition to available 1864 maps of the area with ranges from the hilltops and Dannevirke Forværk to the area of possible Austrian advance even if all knew the weather the next day would be bad with snow obscuring visibility; it was done as nobody could rule out its use bad weather or not.
The Gun Company of 2. Regiment had set up with 6 37mm Guns at Dannevirke Forværk and 3 37mm Guns and some Machineguns for defence at the hill south of it close to Oxenlager to be able to deliver enfilade fire on the Austrians.
The two Battalions of 2. Regiment 3. and 13. had been placed at Vedelspang and Dannevirke Forværk with their tripod Machineguns emplaced to be able to support the forward units.
The Heavy weapons Company of 3. Battalion had been drawn forward to Sortehøj to be able to deliver fire-support by its tripod Machineguns, Mortars and 20mm Cannon to frontline units.
Col. Harz had been informed by Gen. Essemann that Jutland Division had reached Padborg on the 1940 Border and would commence moving south.
Artillery positions should be reconnoitered for 7. Heavy Artillery Battalion North of Schleswig close to the Railway.
The other 3 Artillery Battalions 3., 8. and 9. would move to Schleswig.
Jutish Dragoons Regiment would pass through Schleswig to halt east of Friedrichsberg moving their guns and Armoured Cars into position overlooking Haddeby Nor and the terrain on the east coast to be able to repulse the Austrian attack the next day in that area.
The 7. Regiment was to march to Haddeby to be in a blocking position there and bolster the 1864 units with an aim to in the upcoming days stay in reserve and later march south along the Jutish Dragoons Regiment to block access to Hüttener Berge for 1. Prussian Corps or the other German troops.
3. Artillery Battalion would move to the south of Haddeby on the Haddeby Nor where a road lined by trees went past a brick-works to take up firing position opposite Loopstedt across the Nor while 8. Artillery Battalion would move to Holm at Altstadt of Schleswig on the north bank of the Slie opposite Fartorp. Loopstedt and Fartorp being the 1864 final positions of Tomas 3. Austrian Brigade following its advance.
The 3. Regiment of 6. and 9. Battalions and Gun Company as well as 7. Regiment of 2. and 12. Battalions and Gun Company would march through Schleswig; 3. Regiment to march towards Hollingsted and the Trene River to block eventual crossings by the Prussian Guards Corps along 4. Battalion/6. Regiment.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 11, 2023 8:55:06 GMT
Slesvig, Dannevirke Position 8 PM 2 February 1864 During the last hour Col. Harz had been briefing General de Meza of the arriving Danish units of Army Forces South Jutland that had taken up positions to the southwest of Schleswig around Bustrup and east of Haddeby Nor. The 3. Battery, 8. Battalion, 3. Artillery Regiment had moved from Mysunde to Schleswig and were readying to move to Bustrup joining 14. AA-Battalion to set up among the hills south of Vedelspang west of Haddeby Nor to be able to give fire-support to the units south of the hills that would be on the receiving end of the Austrian attack in the morning. Fieldphone cables had been laid from the Battery positions to the Artillery Observers placed on Kongehøj, Sortehøj, Grundløs and Dannevirke Forværk (Forward Fieldwork). A rearguard Artillery Observer had been placed in the village of Haddeby to the East of Bustrup – there would also be an attack to the east of the Nor. The 1. Anti-Tank Engineers Battalion had been reconnoitering the area in front of the hills for any place to build obstacles or clear such. Its 20mm Cannon's had been placed atop Kongehøj to command the area. The Engineers had also been keen to make sketchmaps in addition to available 1864 maps of the area with ranges from the hilltops and Dannevirke Forværk to the area of possible Austrian advance even if all knew the weather the next day would be bad with snow obscuring visibility; it was done as nobody could rule out its use bad weather or not. The Gun Company of 2. Regiment had set up with 6 37mm Guns at Dannevirke Forværk and 3 37mm Guns and some Machineguns for defence at the hill south of it close to Oxenlager to be able to deliver enfilade fire on the Austrians. The two Battalions of 2. Regiment 3. and 13. had been placed at Vedelspang and Dannevirke Forværk with their tripod Machineguns emplaced to be able to support the forward units. The Heavy weapons Company of 3. Battalion had been drawn forward to Sortehøj to be able to deliver fire-support by its tripod Machineguns, Mortars and 20mm Cannon to frontline units. Col. Harz had been informed by Gen. Essemann that Jutland Division had reached Padborg on the 1940 Border and would commence moving south. Artillery positions should be reconnoitered for 7. Heavy Artillery Battalion North of Schleswig close to the Railway. The other 3 Artillery Battalions 3., 8. and 9. would move to Schleswig. Jutish Dragoons Regiment would pass through Schleswig to halt east of Friedrichsberg moving their guns and Armoured Cars into position overlooking Haddeby Nor and the terrain on the east coast to be able to repulse the Austrian attack the next day in that area. The 7. Regiment was to march to Haddeby to be in a blocking position there and bolster the 1864 units with an aim to in the upcoming days stay in reserve and later march south along the Jutish Dragoons Regiment to block access to Hüttener Berge for 1. Prussian Corps or the other German troops. 3. Artillery Battalion would move to the south of Haddeby on the Haddeby Nor where a road lined by trees went past a brick-works to take up firing position opposite Loopstedt across the Nor while 8. Artillery Battalion would move to Holm at Altstadt of Schleswig on the north bank of the Slie opposite Fartorp. Loopstedt and Fartorp being the 1864 final positions of Tomas 3. Austrian Brigade following its advance. The 3. Regiment of 6. and 9. Battalions and Gun Company as well as 7. Regiment of 2. and 12. Battalions and Gun Company would march through Schleswig; 3. Regiment to march towards Hollingsted and the Trene River to block eventual crossings by the Prussian Guards Corps along 4. Battalion/6. Regiment. Poor Prussians who are going to encounter these forces. |
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Post by 575 on Mar 11, 2023 9:37:36 GMT
Slesvig, Dannevirke Position 8 PM 2 February 1864 During the last hour Col. Harz had been briefing General de Meza of the arriving Danish units of Army Forces South Jutland that had taken up positions to the southwest of Schleswig around Bustrup and east of Haddeby Nor. The 3. Battery, 8. Battalion, 3. Artillery Regiment had moved from Mysunde to Schleswig and were readying to move to Bustrup joining 14. AA-Battalion to set up among the hills south of Vedelspang west of Haddeby Nor to be able to give fire-support to the units south of the hills that would be on the receiving end of the Austrian attack in the morning. Fieldphone cables had been laid from the Battery positions to the Artillery Observers placed on Kongehøj, Sortehøj, Grundløs and Dannevirke Forværk (Forward Fieldwork). A rearguard Artillery Observer had been placed in the village of Haddeby to the East of Bustrup – there would also be an attack to the east of the Nor. The 1. Anti-Tank Engineers Battalion had been reconnoitering the area in front of the hills for any place to build obstacles or clear such. Its 20mm Cannon's had been placed atop Kongehøj to command the area. The Engineers had also been keen to make sketchmaps in addition to available 1864 maps of the area with ranges from the hilltops and Dannevirke Forværk to the area of possible Austrian advance even if all knew the weather the next day would be bad with snow obscuring visibility; it was done as nobody could rule out its use bad weather or not. The Gun Company of 2. Regiment had set up with 6 37mm Guns at Dannevirke Forværk and 3 37mm Guns and some Machineguns for defence at the hill south of it close to Oxenlager to be able to deliver enfilade fire on the Austrians. The two Battalions of 2. Regiment 3. and 13. had been placed at Vedelspang and Dannevirke Forværk with their tripod Machineguns emplaced to be able to support the forward units. The Heavy weapons Company of 3. Battalion had been drawn forward to Sortehøj to be able to deliver fire-support by its tripod Machineguns, Mortars and 20mm Cannon to frontline units. Col. Harz had been informed by Gen. Essemann that Jutland Division had reached Padborg on the 1940 Border and would commence moving south. Artillery positions should be reconnoitered for 7. Heavy Artillery Battalion North of Schleswig close to the Railway. The other 3 Artillery Battalions 3., 8. and 9. would move to Schleswig. Jutish Dragoons Regiment would pass through Schleswig to halt east of Friedrichsberg moving their guns and Armoured Cars into position overlooking Haddeby Nor and the terrain on the east coast to be able to repulse the Austrian attack the next day in that area. The 7. Regiment was to march to Haddeby to be in a blocking position there and bolster the 1864 units with an aim to in the upcoming days stay in reserve and later march south along the Jutish Dragoons Regiment to block access to Hüttener Berge for 1. Prussian Corps or the other German troops. 3. Artillery Battalion would move to the south of Haddeby on the Haddeby Nor where a road lined by trees went past a brick-works to take up firing position opposite Loopstedt across the Nor while 8. Artillery Battalion would move to Holm at Altstadt of Schleswig on the north bank of the Slie opposite Fartorp. Loopstedt and Fartorp being the 1864 final positions of Tomas 3. Austrian Brigade following its advance. The 3. Regiment of 6. and 9. Battalions and Gun Company as well as 7. Regiment of 2. and 12. Battalions and Gun Company would march through Schleswig; 3. Regiment to march towards Hollingsted and the Trene River to block eventual crossings by the Prussian Guards Corps along 4. Battalion/6. Regiment. Poor Prussians who are going to encounter these forces. The annoying thing is the Austrians is first into the fire - 3 February 1864 the Austrians cleared the terrain in front of Dannevirke Ramparts of Danish Pickets in a six-hour battle occupying those hills at the end of the day. The Danish 1940 Army doesn't want this to end that way. Unfortunately the weather was snowy all day so little chance of Danish Aircraft taking part in the battle. |
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Post by lordroel on Mar 11, 2023 9:40:24 GMT
Poor Prussians who are going to encounter these forces. The annoying thing is the Austrians is first into the fire - 3 February 1864 the Austrians cleared the terrain in front of Dannevirke Ramparts of Danish Pickets in a six-hour battle occupying those hills at the end of the day. The Danish 1940 Army doesn't want this to end that way. Unfortunately the weather was snowy all day so little chance of Danish Aircraft taking part in the battle. Well even with no air support, the 1940 Danish still have the firepower to deal with the Prussians. |
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