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Post by Max Sinister on May 25, 2024 21:32:49 GMT
WI: No Hoover Moratorium?
In 1931, Herbert Hoover arranged the Hoover Moratorium, which cancelled the Weimar Republic's Reparation payments for one year. The Nazis weren't happy, Joseph Goebbels stated this would postpone their victory for Months.
Was he right about that? So what if it hadn't have happened?
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Post by stevep on May 25, 2024 23:51:12 GMT
WI: No Hoover Moratorium? In 1931, Herbert Hoover arranged the Hoover Moratorium, which cancelled the Weimar Republic's Reparation payments for one year. The Nazis weren't happy, Joseph Goebbels stated this would postpone their victory for Months. Was he right about that? So what if it hadn't have happened?
Well if he's right - which he might not be and Goebbels, even more than other Nazis wasn't renown for his honesty - that might mean they get in earlier but that would also mean their coming to power while the recession world-wide is pretty much at its peak with no recovery of any note elsewhere that might help their own recovery. Plus being forced to make those additional repayments would leave the German economy even weaker so any recovery due to government spending on things like roads and other infrastructure would be harder to afford,
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Post by Max Sinister on May 26, 2024 0:41:11 GMT
WI: No Hoover Moratorium? In 1931, Herbert Hoover arranged the Hoover Moratorium, which cancelled the Weimar Republic's Reparation payments for one year. The Nazis weren't happy, Joseph Goebbels stated this would postpone their victory for Months. Was he right about that? So what if it hadn't have happened?
Well if he's right - which he might not be and Goebbels, even more than other Nazis wasn't renown for his honesty - that might mean they get in earlier but that would also mean their coming to power while the recession world-wide is pretty much at its peak with no recovery of any note elsewhere that might help their own recovery. Plus being forced to make those additional repayments would leave the German economy even weaker so any recovery due to government spending on things like roads and other infrastructure would be harder to afford,
Depends - Brüning negotiated with the Allies to pay a final sum of three billions, after which Germany didn't have to pay anything anymore. Papen would later claim this as his victory, although he hadn't done anything for it.
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Post by Zyobot on May 26, 2024 23:26:08 GMT
'AHC: Allied Italy, Axis USSR'.
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Post by stevep on May 27, 2024 14:17:55 GMT
'AHC: Allied Italy, Axis USSR'.
Possibly Italy doesn't attack Ethiopia for some reason or the western powers don't respond so the mutual mistrust of Hitler remains dominant. As a result there is tension between Germany and Italy but somehow conflict is avoided when Germany annexes Austria. Then when war comes over Poland Hitler decides he needs closer relations with Stalin. Plus possibly a more confident western allies mean that they try an attack on Baku during the winter war. This could make Hitler and Stalin [albeit reluctantly] co-belligerents against Britain, France and a probably somewhat shocked Italy.
I think this line of events is unlikely but the 1st thing that comes to mind. How the wider war goes and where it leaves Japan, China and the US are difficult questions.
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Post by Max Sinister on May 29, 2024 16:54:39 GMT
Allied Italy is harder to swallow. Obviously, there could be no Axis as had been the case since 1936. Face it, Nazis and Fascists being on different sides even though the former are the ideological children of the latter is odd.
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Post by stevep on May 29, 2024 22:23:45 GMT
Allied Italy is harder to swallow. Obviously, there could be no Axis as had been the case since 1936. Face it, Nazis and Fascists being on different sides even though the former are the ideological children of the latter is odd.
To a degree although the fact they have such similarities could mean that, as Mussolini seemed to believe for quite a while, that made them the most bitter rivals. I think unless Britain and France handle Italy differently, which would mean ignoring a fair amount of public unrest in Britain at least its unlikely. However probably less so than a Nazi-Soviet alliance that is anything more than a brief shame until one feels they can back-stab the other.
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Post by Max Sinister on Jun 1, 2024 22:20:52 GMT
In October 1940, Himmler was travelling through Spain. Some Basques wanted to assassinate him in the city of Donostia/San Sebastián, but on the day he was passing through, the weather was too bad.
While he'd have deserved it: His likely successor would be Heydrich, so not necessarily bad for the Nazis.
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Post by 575 on Jun 2, 2024 8:12:13 GMT
In October 1940, Himmler was travelling through Spain. Some Basques wanted to assassinate him in the city of Donostia/San Sebastián, but on the day he was passing through, the weather was too bad. While he'd have deserved it: His likely successor would be Heydrich, so not necessarily bad for the Nazis. So with Heydrich a more effective, efficient Endlösung and doing away with Ahnenerbe and other ridiculous crap? |
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Post by stevep on Jun 2, 2024 11:45:36 GMT
In October 1940, Himmler was travelling through Spain. Some Basques wanted to assassinate him in the city of Donostia/San Sebastián, but on the day he was passing through, the weather was too bad. While he'd have deserved it: His likely successor would be Heydrich, so not necessarily bad for the Nazis. So with Heydrich a more effective, efficient Endlösung and doing away with Ahnenerbe and other ridiculous crap?
Very likely as he seems to have been one of the few top Nazis who seem to actually have some intelligence. Also possibly some restraint where he thought it useful as I believe until his assassination the Czechs seem to have been treated better than the other occupied Slavs - although that might not be saying much. He might have ended up being too intelligent and hence being seen as a rival by Hitler - or successfully being presented as such by one of the other Nazis in the perpetual dog-fight that seemed to be endemic in their 'government'. However he would have been a more natural head for the SS rather than a feeble looking character like Himmler and possibly less bat-s**t insane ideas despite still being a fanatic and a brutal man.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jun 3, 2024 5:49:09 GMT
WI: no ww1 and ww2, impact on colonialism.
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Post by Zyobot on Jun 3, 2024 13:43:02 GMT
‘Teddy Roosevelt Leads The US In World War I’.
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Post by Zyobot on Jun 4, 2024 16:24:35 GMT
‘Winston Churchill Dies In World War I’.
He did return to active service while remaining an MP, so… definitely not impossible.
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Post by stevep on Jun 4, 2024 22:43:31 GMT
‘Winston Churchill Dies In World War I’. He did return to active service while remaining an MP, so… definitely not impossible.
There were plenty of opportunities for Churchill to die, including a notorious and near fatal car accident in the US in the 1930's as well as a fair number which involve him ending up not a serious political figure. Or even early when he was in the Sudanese or Boer wars.
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Post by Zyobot on Jun 5, 2024 5:42:06 GMT
‘Winston Churchill Dies In World War I’. He did return to active service while remaining an MP, so… definitely not impossible.
There were plenty of opportunities for Churchill to die, including a notorious and near fatal car accident in the US in the 1930's as well as a fair number which involve him ending up not a serious political figure. Or even early when he was in the Sudanese or Boer wars.
Hmm… Well, I suppose the more "delayed" PODs that take place at later dates introduce more political and social disruption than the earlier ones (from before he became an MP). The former would mean the sudden death of a prominent British politician, whereas the latter would be the death of a "rich nobody" whose true potential is never realized, so to speak. Otherwise, I wonder what Britain looks like without him? Random butterflies aside, I doubt we'd notice drastic differences until around the time World War I (or some analogous conflict) is supposed to break out. Causes leading up to it are bigger than just Churchill himself, obviously, though I suppose the specifics of British politics will look a bit different when it comes time to be fought IATL. |
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