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Post by raharris1973 on Dec 9, 2023 13:24:23 GMT
Maximum Indochinese (or East Asian) population of France: Here's the challenge - with any post-1900 PoD, arrange for 20th or 21st century France to have the maximum plausible population of Indochinese (or East Asian in general) heritage people resident in metropolitan France and its fully integrated overseas departments. What circumstances could bring this about, and what would be the effects? How would integration, assimilation, economic, political, and backlash effects of mass East Asian immigration into France compare and contrast with OTL's mass North African and Sub-Saharan African migration and whatever degree of Levantine and Polynesian immigration there has been to France? Some French politician thinks that they'd be good for the economy and/or academics?
However, at this time, chauvinism and racism weren't yet discredited by the nazis, and famous non-whites like Gandhi and Ramanujan still had to show what they can do.
Oh yeah, if this population grows a lot, pre Nazi, I guess there will be much more comfort with open racism in France. Of course most of the migration might happen after Nazi times. Who was Ramanujan? |
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Post by Max Sinister on Dec 9, 2023 13:31:32 GMT
Srinivasa Ramanujan, best mathematician of his time. This despite the fact that he died in his early thirties. |
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Post by Max Sinister on Dec 9, 2023 16:31:38 GMT
Inspired by a RL comment of Ike:
WI the V1 weapons had been ready to use six months earlier? Would the invasion of Normandy have been prevented? What else could the nazi leadership have done with them?
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Post by 575 on Dec 9, 2023 19:19:56 GMT
Inspired by a RL comment of Ike: WI the V1 weapons had been ready to use six months earlier? Would the invasion of Normandy have been prevented? What else could the nazi leadership have done with them? Why not get going and take those out along the rest of Nazi scum, just that more of a reason to get it done. Untill then try make Radar more precise and mass Fighter units in Southern England.
Don't see them being used for pinpointing debarkation ports - seems to have been too much an area weapon for such.
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Post by stevep on Dec 10, 2023 0:18:59 GMT
Inspired by a RL comment of Ike:WI the V1 weapons had been ready to use six months earlier? Would the invasion of Normandy have been prevented? What else could the nazi leadership have done with them?
I do recall that IIRC Eisenhower stated that if they had entered service 6 months earlier it would have made the OTL Normandy landings impossibly but not sure how accurate that is. As 575 says their area attack weapons even without added inaccuracies from our control of German agents in the UK. Could have possibly been used against the channel ports that launched the invasion but: a) Given how we mislead the Germans that wouldn't have worked as they would have targeted the ports in the SE region, rather than those further west.
b) Given their inaccuracy and that the ports are a smaller target than London your going to have a lot shooting over, under or to either side. Mind you one of them hitting an ammo stockpile or ship in harbour could make a nasty mess and cause a lot of death and destruction.
PS Duh sorry, I didn't read the 1st sentence of your post! Only excuse was it was later and I was tired. Red face.
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Post by raharris1973 on Dec 10, 2023 3:54:39 GMT
A micro-PoD, not pre-judging and larger outcome:
WI Fanya Kaplan's assassination attempt on Lenin succeeds?
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Post by raharris1973 on Dec 10, 2023 3:55:05 GMT
A micro-PoD, not pre-judging and larger outcome:
WI Whites in Russian Civil War seize Petrograd? - What is the story with the Russian Civil War one year after that? Two years?
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Post by raharris1973 on Dec 10, 2023 3:55:49 GMT
A micro-PoD, not pre-judging and larger outcome:
WI Whites in Russian Civil War seize Moscow? - What is the story with the Russian Civil War one year after that? Two years?
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Post by raharris1973 on Dec 10, 2023 3:56:13 GMT
WI Provisional Government tries to move government to Moscow, during or right after 'July Days' of 1917? What is the overall Russian situation by Jan 1, 1918? Apr 1, 1918?
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Post by raharris1973 on Dec 10, 2023 3:56:54 GMT
What, if anything, would Provisional Government do differently, with regarding to both continuing participation in World War One, and doing it by offensive means in 1917, and how fast, if America had not joined in WWI?
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Post by stevep on Dec 10, 2023 11:44:54 GMT
A micro-PoD, not pre-judging and larger outcome: WI Fanya Kaplan's assassination attempt on Lenin succeeds?
Well it causes an earlier succession crisis. Hopefully would prompt total chaos and disorder in the Bolshevik party. If they do maintain power for a while there's likely to be an even more brutal crack-down of the SRP, Which could actually boost its chances in the longer term as its forced to distance itself from the Bolsheviks and could possibly with the Mensheviks and other less extreme parties form an alternative to the Russian right wing groups which were generally very autocratic.
A lot would depend on the circumstances but I suspect the most likely result in Russia was some group of Whites winning and renewed autocratic rule, although possibly weakened somewhat and a sizeable probability of further disorder.
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Post by stevep on Dec 10, 2023 11:52:00 GMT
What, if anything, would Provisional Government do differently, with regarding to both continuing participation in World War One, and doing it by offensive means in 1917, and how fast, if America had not joined in WWI?
I doubt that the US not declaring war in April 1917 would have any significant affect on the actions of the Provisional Government in Russia. Given the crisis prompted by the heavy defeat of the Nivelle Offensive and the following unrest in the French army both the British and Russians felt they had to do something to take the pressure off France for fear of a German offensive against it.
It would have serious affects on the war as without US loans to buy their products there would be serious shortages of a number of items for the western allies, especially foodstuff and possibly oil. How badly that would be and whether some agreement might be made for further loans, as that would be in the interests of American farmers even if that was for food exports only. If not there's the danger of a victory for imperial Germany, which isn't going to be good for Europe or particularly brilliant for the rest of the world either.
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Post by raharris1973 on Dec 12, 2023 1:31:57 GMT
What, if anything, would Provisional Government do differently, with regarding to both continuing participation in World War One, and doing it by offensive means in 1917, and how fast, if America had not joined in WWI?
I doubt that the US not declaring war in April 1917 would have any significant affect on the actions of the Provisional Government in Russia. Given the crisis prompted by the heavy defeat of the Nivelle Offensive and the following unrest in the French army both the British and Russians felt they had to do something to take the pressure off France for fear of a German offensive against it.
It would have serious affects on the war as without US loans to buy their products there would be serious shortages of a number of items for the western allies, especially foodstuff and possibly oil. How badly that would be and whether some agreement might be made for further loans, as that would be in the interests of American farmers even if that was for food exports only. If not there's the danger of a victory for imperial Germany, which isn't going to be good for Europe or particularly brilliant for the rest of the world either.
Here's the reason I asked the question and why I thought it might make a difference. To some extent, in OTL, American entry into the war opened to door to American loans, with the strings attached of Russia continuing to fight, and fight offensively to close coordination with its Allies. And the addition of the USA of Woodrow Wilson of the silver tongue in particular helped allow Russian and liberals and moderate Socialists to tell themselves they were on a certainly more 'progressive' historical side, with a coalition partner that would not turn down reasonable offers if the Germans and Austrians began to present such. Such material incentives and political reputations and beliefs might have fed Russian liberal and moderate Socialist politicians' illusions and delusions about the war, and made them less attentive to the simple grassroots rising of rejection of participation in the war on *any* terms. With Wilson and America outside the coalition urging a compromise peace, instead of inside the coalition offering loans while demanding a coordinated offensive, might the Duma/Provisional Government politicians and Party leaders and even higher leaders in the urban Soviets have paid closer attention and heed sooner to grassroots rejection of the war and demand for peace in 1917? |
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Post by stevep on Dec 12, 2023 14:28:36 GMT
I doubt that the US not declaring war in April 1917 would have any significant affect on the actions of the Provisional Government in Russia. Given the crisis prompted by the heavy defeat of the Nivelle Offensive and the following unrest in the French army both the British and Russians felt they had to do something to take the pressure off France for fear of a German offensive against it.
It would have serious affects on the war as without US loans to buy their products there would be serious shortages of a number of items for the western allies, especially foodstuff and possibly oil. How badly that would be and whether some agreement might be made for further loans, as that would be in the interests of American farmers even if that was for food exports only. If not there's the danger of a victory for imperial Germany, which isn't going to be good for Europe or particularly brilliant for the rest of the world either.
Here's the reason I asked the question and why I thought it might make a difference. To some extent, in OTL, American entry into the war opened to door to American loans, with the strings attached of Russia continuing to fight, and fight offensively to close coordination with its Allies. And the addition of the USA of Woodrow Wilson of the silver tongue in particular helped allow Russian and liberals and moderate Socialists to tell themselves they were on a certainly more 'progressive' historical side, with a coalition partner that would not turn down reasonable offers if the Germans and Austrians began to present such. Such material incentives and political reputations and beliefs might have fed Russian liberal and moderate Socialist politicians' illusions and delusions about the war, and made them less attentive to the simple grassroots rising of rejection of participation in the war on *any* terms. With Wilson and America outside the coalition urging a compromise peace, instead of inside the coalition offering loans while demanding a coordinated offensive, might the Duma/Provisional Government politicians and Party leaders and even higher leaders in the urban Soviets have paid closer attention and heed sooner to grassroots rejection of the war and demand for peace in 1917?
Probably not I suspect as they, probably correctly saw themselves as tied to the western allies and realised that if Germany wins things would go badly for them. Also at 1st I think they believed their reforms and the end of autocracy would win the necessary support for a serious continouation of the war.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 22:07:41 GMT
WI the Israelis got plausibly but very unpleasantly unlucky trying to take out Saddam's reactor?
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