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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Dec 4, 2022 17:53:37 GMT
All the territories of the Teutonic Order are ISOTed from 1409 AD to 500 BC. They appear off the eastern coast of Japan. ASB makes sure they adapt easily to climatic differences. What happens? The Teutonic Knights colonize Japan where they mix with the native Jomon people (to what degree I don't know) and Japan becomes German speaking. Then Korea is also a rather easy pick. But then comes China. What relations will the Teutonic State have with China? Will it try to conquer it? Can Bronze Age China defend itself against an Iron Age power?
When do you expect the Teutonic Knights to reach Europe?
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Post by stevep on Dec 5, 2022 16:46:55 GMT
Well they have a technological edge but their an alien people in terms of both race and culture. Not sure how they will view the eastern peoples racially but their likely to be deeply hostile to the cultures and religions there which is likely to cause a lot of conflict.
I didn't realise that China was still in the Bronze Age at this point but that may end earlier with the incentive to learn to fight off the new 'barbarians' as they will be seen by both the assorted Chinese states and probably a fair number of their neighbours. How much strength in numbers did the Teutonic Order actually have rather than the civilians under their control? By 1409 I assume most of the populations in the lands they brought with them were Christian although some might have been Orthodox? However not sure how loyal they might have been to the order. Think the Chinese also have a long history of crossbow use which could be nasty for relatively small forces.
The other big advantage the Order would have would be its gunpowder knowledge. Which might be enough to make siege operations markedly easier and also cause some panic in Chinese armies. However not sure how advanced this was in 1409.
One other issue for the order would be when they get some idea where and possibly even more importantly when they are, since their not only a long way from home but also a long time earlier and before Christ let alone the establishment of the Papacy. Which will raise some questions on what they do?
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Dec 5, 2022 16:53:49 GMT
As always good post stevep  The order obviously does not know where or when they are. The historical knowledge at the time is also limited so they won't know they're in Classical Antiquity. And they have to reach Europe first which is a long way off. |
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Post by shadow007 on Dec 5, 2022 20:00:02 GMT
There are still Pagans hiding in the Teutonic state. Also Jews in hiding or in public depending on the Teuton's policies.
Iron Age Warring States Chinese Kingdoms do have a big manpower advantage but I doubt there would be war at first. They would start trading with the Teutons which would accelerates the Kingdoms' tech drammatically with massive reprecussions
New farming tools, techniques and crops boost the Chinese population. Paper and Hindu-Arabic Numericals increase the Literacy of the population.
The Teutons basically replace Japan politically as when China unites much earlier it would turn all of its neighbors into client states thanks to their advanced and massive military. Chinese Imperialism creates the World's 1st Superpower dominating Eurasia
Christianity would be a minority in Asia. China is the area which births the Enlightenment and Renaissance over a millenium earlier.
Persia and India are forced to expand west to survive. Persian musketeers slaughter the Greeks and Romans. East Africa is colonized by India
The Chinese Tercio becomes the dominant style of fighting for a few centuries. Infantry just have too much of a firepower advantage for cavalry to face head on
Africa becomes a bloodbath once China starts colonizing the area sparking wars with both Persia and India. Something like the Thirty Years War occurs killing millions in the eastern part of Africa
Vaccines would probably be invented prior to Chinese colonization of the Americas. The Native population does surge and intermigles with the Chinese colonists
Due to the vast improvement in the economy, massive increase to human lifespan and the knowledge been leaent China births Liberalism and Secularism. The Emperors would be forced to accept a semi-Constititional Monarchy system or be forcibly overthrown
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