West Deutsches Kaiserreich and the Ost Deutsches Reich

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West Deutsches Kaiserreich and the Ost Deutsches Reich Jan 24, 2016 19:58:13 GMT

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West Deutsches Kaiserreich and the Ost Deutsches Reich

On October 6th 1939 a day after the Germans have completed their invasion of Poland a flash appears over Germany, Slovak republic and German occupied Poland, after the flash the three new countries appear how will the French and the British react with a democratic Germany who is anti-Nazi and a new Nazi led Germany who is slightly different then with which they went to war with.

West Deutsches Kaiserreich

The West Deutsches Kaiserreich is a unitary parliamentary representative democracy under a constitutional monarchy with German Emperor Rupert I (also King of Bavaria) as the head of state of the West Deutsches Kaiserreich.
The West Deutsches Kaiserreich has its capitol in the city of Munich and consists of all of modern West Germany and Austria.

Ost Deutsches Reich

The Ost Deutsches Reich is a Nazi single-party state under the totalitarian dictatorship of Adolf Hitler and the country consist of all of East Germany and German occupied Poland which is now transformed into a part of the Ost Deutsches Reich. The Slovak Republic still exists but is now a puppet nation of the Ost Deutsches Reich.

Some facts of the of kingdoms, grand duchies, duchies, principalities and free Hanseatic cities that make op the West Deutsches Reich.

Kingdom of Bavaria (German: Königreich Bayern)

Head of state: king Rupert I ( also emperor of the the West Deutsches Reich ).

Army: Bavarian Army, 8,100 officers and 166,990 NCOs and other ranks.

Capitol: Munich ( also capitol of the West Deutsches Reich ).

Kingdom of Württemberg (German: Königreich Württemberg)

Head of state: King Dietrich I.

Army: Army of Württemberg, 88,000 oficers and soldiers.

Kingdom of Austria (German : Königreich Österreich)

Head of State : king Otto I

Army : Army of Austria, 55,000 officers and soldiers.

Grand Duchy of Baden (German: Großherzogtum Baden)

Head of state: grand duke Berthold I

Army: none, has oficers and soldiers serving in the West Deutsches Reich heer.

Grand Duchy of Hesse (German: Großherzogtum Hessen)

Head of state: Grand Duke Ernest Louis

Army : none, has oficers and soldiers serving in the West Deutsches Reich heer.

Grand Duchy of Oldenburg (German: Großherzogtum Oldenburg)

Head of state: grand duke Nikolaus I

Army : none, has oficers and soldiers serving in the West Deutsches Reich heer.

Duchy of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (German: Herzogtum Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach)

Head of state: Charles Augustus I

Army : Grand Duchy of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach army wich is a regiment strong force serving with the Bavarian army.

County (Principality, Duchy) of Anhalt ( German: Grafschaft (Fürstentum, Herzogtum) Anhalt )

Head of state: duke Joachim Ernst

Army : none, has oficers and soldiers serving in the West Deutsches Reich heer.

Duchy of Brunswick (German : Herzogtum Braunschweig)

Head of state: duke Ernest Augustus III

Army : none, has oficers and soldiers serving in the West Deutsches Reich heer.

Duchy of Saxe-Meiningen (German: Herzogtum Sachsen-Meiningen)

Head of state: duke Ernst I

Army : none, has oficers and soldiers serving in the West Deutsches Reich heer.

Principality of Lippe (German: Fürstentum Lippe)

Head of state: prince Leopold IV

County (Principality) of Schaumburg-Lippe ( German: Grafschaft (Fürstentum) Schaumburg-Lippe)

Head of state: prince Ernst I

Army : none, has oficers and soldiers serving in the West Deutsches Reich heer.

Principality of Waldeck-Pyrmont (German: Fürstentum Waldeck und Pyrmont)

Head of state: prince Friedrich I

Army : none, has oficers and soldiers serving in the West Deutsches Reich heer.

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West Deutsches Kaiserreich and the Ost Deutsches Reich Feb 12, 2016 13:10:50 GMT

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Post by stevep on Feb 12, 2016 13:10:50 GMT

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Interesting scenario. Are the two German states from separate universes or the same one? If the same one I would be surprised they aren't at war already. If separate ones then I could see war as very likely between them and Britain at least very willing to support the Bavarians against the Nazis. Not sure what the impact would be on France. I suspect they are from different universes however as difficult to see Hitler rising to power with his birth state and adopted homeland [Austria and Bavaria] in a radically different nation.

A lot of course depends on the relative levels of technology as even a relative variance from OTL could make for a big impact potentially. Also how the Bavarian Germany especially will see the Nazis.

You haven't mentioned details for the military strength of Nazi Germany, although probably pretty high. However Bavarian Germany will almost certainly have much greater population and industrial base than Nazi Germany so it should win in the end.

At this date Stalin has occupied eastern Poland and I fear there is little chance of an alliance of assorted powers being willing to fight to drive him out so I suspect the region is in for a pretty dark period. Although at least the Jews in the area will suffer less than OTL.

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West Deutsches Kaiserreich and the Ost Deutsches Reich Feb 12, 2016 13:17:56 GMT

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Post by lordroel on Feb 12, 2016 13:17:56 GMT

Feb 12, 2016 13:10:50 GMT stevep said:

Lordroel

Interesting scenario. Are the two German states from separate universes or the same one? If the same one I would be surprised they aren't at war already. If separate ones then I could see war as very likely between them and Britain at least very willing to support the Bavarians against the Nazis. Not sure what the impact would be on France. I suspect they are from different universes however as difficult to see Hitler rising to power with his birth state and adopted homeland [Austria and Bavaria] in a radically different nation.

A lot of course depends on the relative levels of technology as even a relative variance from OTL could make for a big impact potentially. Also how the Bavarian Germany especially will see the Nazis.

You haven't mentioned details for the military strength of Nazi Germany, although probably pretty high. However Bavarian Germany will almost certainly have much greater population and industrial base than Nazi Germany so it should win in the end.

At this date Stalin has occupied eastern Poland and I fear there is little chance of an alliance of assorted powers being willing to fight to drive him out so I suspect the region is in for a pretty dark period. Although at least the Jews in the area will suffer less than OTL.

Steve

Thanks for finding it interested, was something i toughed of.

The most likely are from two separate universes, as you are correct, they could never be from one and the same unless there was a civil war in Germany in 1918 which split Germany in two, one became the Bavarian-Germany and the other the Nazi Germany.

The Nazi Germany has a larger army while the Bavarian-Germany have a better navy, both have good armies with the Nazi Germany having also the SS.

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West Deutsches Kaiserreich and the Ost Deutsches Reich Feb 12, 2016 13:53:05 GMT

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Post by stevep on Feb 12, 2016 13:53:05 GMT

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The Nazis may have the larger army but their got to hold down the Poles and keep an eye on their allies in the east. [Presuming this Nazi Germany made such a pact]. Also Bavaria has the Rhur and Saar along with possibly other developed areas. The Nazis have Silesia and probably an occupied Bohemia? [Since a Slovakian ally exists]. However they have far less economic base.

Were both states transferred in their totality? I could see the Bavarian Reich being a complete state but Nazi East Germany would be difficult to create, especially with anything like the historical Hitler at the helm, without being part of a greater Germany which they have now lost contact with. Even if it is the entire state in both cases they have lost trade contacts with foreign powers as well as any other allies they might have. Not sure what reaction Mussolini would have suddenly finding Nazi Germany replaced by a relatively small E Germany while a large Bavarian dominated constitutional state which with Austria cuts them off from the new Hitler. [Who may not have a Mussolini in his TL or be hostile to him.

] Similarly with Bavaria it could have relations with a lot of powers which could be vastly different now.

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West Deutsches Kaiserreich and the Ost Deutsches Reich Feb 12, 2016 14:01:29 GMT

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Post by lordroel on Feb 12, 2016 14:01:29 GMT

Feb 12, 2016 13:53:05 GMT stevep said:

The Nazis may have the larger army but their got to hold down the Poles and keep an eye on their allies in the east. [Presuming this Nazi Germany made such a pact]. Also Bavaria has the Rhur and Saar along with possibly other developed areas. The Nazis have Silesia and probably an occupied Bohemia? [Since a Slovakian ally exists]. However they have far less economic base.

Well that why the focus for the Nazis will be to get back West Germany from what they believe is a illegal government, Bavaria being a democracy will ally with the French and British (most likely making it clear that they will want to govern East Germany after the war is over).

Feb 12, 2016 13:53:05 GMT stevep said:

Were both states transferred in their totality? I could see the Bavarian Reich being a complete state but Nazi East Germany would be difficult to create, especially with anything like the historical Hitler at the helm, without being part of a greater Germany which they have now lost contact with. Even if it is the entire state in both cases they have lost trade contacts with foreign powers as well as any other allies they might have. Not sure what reaction Mussolini would have suddenly finding Nazi Germany replaced by a relatively small E Germany while a large Bavarian dominated constitutional state which with Austria cuts them off from the new Hitler. [Who may not have a Mussolini in his TL or be hostile to him.

] Similarly with Bavaria it could have relations with a lot of powers which could be vastly different now.

Steve

West Germany i can say came into being in its totality, East Germany came into being in its totality, as mention West Poland is part of East Germany, they are not occupied.

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