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Post by justiniano on Sept 25, 2022 2:35:18 GMT
What if in the 17th century the various Algonquian indians were all hostile to the brits who tried to settle in new England, only trading when they were certain it would benefit themselves. In OTL they helped the British a lot, but what if they were so terrified of them, like the humans were when they discovered bumblebee in that transformers movie, that they would attack them for no reason often and never help them for free.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 25, 2022 2:40:25 GMT
What if the various Algonquian indians were all hostile to the brits who tried to settle in new England, only trading when they were certain it would benefit themselves. In OTL they helped the British a lot, but what if they were so terrified of them, like the humans were when they discovered bumblebee in that transformers movie, that they would attack them for no reason often and never help them for free. Could you give a time period this happened, thank you. Also what has the transformer movie got to do with Indians. |
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Post by justiniano on Sept 25, 2022 4:03:15 GMT
Also what has the transformer movie got to do with Indians. I'm comparing the hostile reaction the indians would have in TTL to seeing light skinned people who might not even be human in their eyes to how humans reacted to bumblebee (initially) |
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Post by lordroel on Sept 25, 2022 8:01:26 GMT
Also what has the transformer movie got to do with Indians. I'm comparing the hostile reaction the indians would have in TTL to seeing light skinned people who might not even be human in their eyes to how humans reacted to bumblebee (initially) Think comparing a giant yellow talking robot to Europeans is to much nor does it make any sense. Also the Algonquian Indians have know Europeans sins 1600s sins the French made first contact with them. |
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Post by justiniano on Sept 25, 2022 23:16:21 GMT
Also the Algonquian Indians have know Europeans sins 1600s sins the French made first contact with them. ok, then I'm referring to the ones in the modern borders of the USA |
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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 26, 2022 3:33:02 GMT
I didn't remember that from the 1986 Transformers movie. Then I discovered that they made a whole bunch of live action versions of a 1980s cartoon (!)
No major change at all. Some localised trouble for the English colonists, but the correlation of forces and time is on their side.
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Post by oscssw on Sept 26, 2022 15:33:42 GMT
I didn't remember that from the 1986 Transformers movie. Then I discovered that they made a whole bunch of live action versions of a 1980s cartoon (!) No major change at all. Some localised trouble for the English colonists, but the correlation of forces and time is on their side. Yup Simon, when the Merchant Adventurers find something or some place the Indians have with a big profit potential it will take very little for them to bribe the right people in HM Gov. They would probably cut the necessary pols or aristocrats into the deal. Then it was only a matter of time until HM's troops and sailors use their superior murdering tech and skills to just take what they want over the natives dead bodies. Not as if it did not happen before in the OTL.
Hell if they were really smart Merchant Adventurers they would take advantage of the natives constant intertribal fighting to pit them against each other until they are all too weak to contest with HM Army. A more risky process used when HM Gov would not commit many troops was to arm one really badass tribe with old "Fire Locks" and let them wipe out the others. That one can backfire on you if the Badass tribe decides the Merchant Adventurers are the real danger and decides to take you out.
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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 27, 2022 4:19:15 GMT
Righto. The willing widow is the closest I've come to settling down in fiction or reality, so darn that Jerry battleship!
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Post by justiniano on Sept 29, 2022 4:21:04 GMT
No major change at all. Some localised trouble for the English colonists, but the correlation of forces and time is on their side. Wouldn't some of the english in Jamestown have starved if it weren't for the hospitality of the powhatans? |
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