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Post by justiniano on Aug 24, 2022 18:26:51 GMT
For a timeline I started where some merchants sell firearms to the Filipinos int he 13th century and the Filipinos learn to manufacture their own by 1400AD. I still think the Spanish would conquer phil. because they can just keep on throwing gold & silver from the new world at it.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 24, 2022 18:36:00 GMT
For a timeline I started where some merchants sell firearms to the Filipinos int he 13th century and the Filipinos learn to manufacture their own by 1400AD. I still think the Spanish would conquer phil. because they can just keep on throwing gold & silver from the new world at it. What did I say over thread titles, change it to a shorter on. Also this is not a thread title but more part of this post. |
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Post by miletus12 on Aug 26, 2022 0:34:39 GMT
For a timeline I started where some merchants sell firearms to the Filipinos int he 13th century and the Filipinos learn to manufacture their own by 1400AD. I still think the Spanish would conquer phil. because they can just keep on throwing gold & silver from the new world at it. Not enough start conditions. I have some idea that the Joro Confederacy might meet the start conditions for an organized pirate enclave, but that is not enough to start a viable kingdom-state like Siam or Borneo of that time period. |
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Post by American hist on Oct 20, 2022 1:53:22 GMT
The Revolutions for the South American war for independence were different because they at first were over the same rights as the Spaniards because there were many more Spanish and merozoites who wanted to be treated as equals back at home. The Philippines people from what I know didn't have that same Spanish identity. My grandfather was placed as a company translator for the Spanish, language back in the 1950s for the Us Marines corps but he never did hear a single word of Spanish.
I'm trying to say Spain's influence on Latin America is completely different in comparison to the Philippine culture. While I can't say for the Philippine people but South American people were proud to be Spanish just like how the Americans were proud to be British though Americans had more benefits than the British empire.
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Post by Max Sinister on Oct 22, 2022 2:18:52 GMT
I'll rather expect British Philippines.
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Post by stevep on Oct 22, 2022 12:40:48 GMT
I'll rather expect British Philippines.
Probably more likely it ends up as a British protectorate rather than directly ruled. Got most of the benefits - especially with British industrial and trade dominance at that time - without the costs of governing the place. Likely some trading outposts and possibly a naval base which could help secure domination of the seas bordering China but probably not much more.
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Post by Max Sinister on Oct 22, 2022 17:25:24 GMT
What kind of economy did the Philippines have at that time to be interesting for the Brits?
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Post by stevep on Oct 23, 2022 12:52:30 GMT
What kind of economy did the Philippines have at that time to be interesting for the Brits?
Myself I don't know. Think under the Spanish it was mainly a link for trading with China wasn't it? Britain would probably want it for similar reasons, along with general influence in the wider area. Could mean that after a Opium War type scenario Britain doesn't annex Hong Kong as it would have a base nearby already.
If you have Britain developing roughly as OTL, especially in economic policy its likely to see some investment in the islands but not really sure what trade options there were at the time or could be developed. If rubber could be cultivated there - or is it too cool? - then it might replace/supplement Malaya as a plantation area. Local crops are unlikely to be significant until refrigeration makes long term transportation practical unless they were grown to sell to local overseas markets. Not sure if there was any mineral wealth that would be significant at the time.
Your probably going to see some investment in infrastructure such as ports, railway from mid-century onward simply because Britain did so much foreign investment as opportunities in Britain itself declined in attractiveness but would still need something for those facilities to export/import of course else there's not much point.
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