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Post by shadow007 on Aug 1, 2022 4:35:10 GMT
At the start of WW2 Poland suddenly gets as many Tanks and Planes as Nazi Germany. Polish Tank and Plane Fuel and ammo multiplied by the same proportion.
More Polish soldiers are suddenly trained so that every tank and plane has enough pilots, crews and mechanics.
Obviously Poland still has obselete planes and tanks. (Poland did have a few good tanks which they have more in this scenario)
Futhermore only part of the Polish military is still mobilized at the start of the war. Don't know how that affects the Tanks and Planes.
Not sure how the Soviet Union would react
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Post by lordroel on Aug 1, 2022 13:38:16 GMT
At the start of WW2 Poland suddenly gets as many Tanks and Planes as Nazi Germany. Polish Tank and Plane Fuel and ammo multiplied by the same proportion. Even with these below, Poland tank force is no match for the Germans.  |
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Post by shadow007 on Aug 3, 2022 4:26:07 GMT
At the start of WW2 Poland suddenly gets as many Tanks and Planes as Nazi Germany. Polish Tank and Plane Fuel and ammo multiplied by the same proportion. Even with these below, Poland tank force is no match for the Germans. I thought the 7TP is on par or better than the Panzer III/IVs? Extra History implied that. Vast majority of Nazi tanks were Is or IIs which were weak against the 7TPs Poland gets more 7TPs in this scenario as well as their other tanks. Same with Planes. Kinda hard for Nazi Germany to encircle or bypass Polish formations now that Poland has WAY MORE Tanks and Planes. Poland has gone from around 800 tanks to over 3400! 600 to now 4000 aircraft!!! The Nazis did not throw all of their forces at Poland so in this scenario the Poles have more tanks and planes than the Germans |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 3, 2022 4:46:49 GMT
Even with these below, Poland tank force is no match for the Germans. I thought the 7TP is on par or better than the Panzer III/IVs? Extra History implied that. Vast majority of Nazi tanks were Is or IIs which were weak against the 7TPs Poland gets more 7TPs in this scenario as well as their other tanks. Same with Planes. Kinda hard for Nazi Germany to encircle or bypass Polish formations now that Poland has WAY MORE Tanks and Planes. Poland has gone from around 800 tanks to over 3400! 600 to now 4000 aircraft!!! The Nazis did not throw all of their forces at Poland so in this scenario the Poles have more tanks and planes than the Germans Poland still has a two front war to fight. |
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Post by stevep on Aug 3, 2022 17:09:08 GMT
I thought the 7TP is on par or better than the Panzer III/IVs? Extra History implied that. Vast majority of Nazi tanks were Is or IIs which were weak against the 7TPs Poland gets more 7TPs in this scenario as well as their other tanks. Same with Planes. Kinda hard for Nazi Germany to encircle or bypass Polish formations now that Poland has WAY MORE Tanks and Planes. Poland has gone from around 800 tanks to over 3400! 600 to now 4000 aircraft!!! The Nazis did not throw all of their forces at Poland so in this scenario the Poles have more tanks and planes than the Germans Poland still has a two front war to fight.
Not initially as Stalin delayed until the 17th September before invading eastern Poland. By that time he knew that the Germans were winning and also that the western powers had gone to war with Germany. Here things could be delayed if the Poles haves have markedly more success.
The issue might be that for the additional tanks and a/c even if more crew are trained and logistics support is supplied the doctrine is still likely to be inferior to that of the Germans. Also other arms haven't been upgraded similarly so that would lead to unbalanced forces and warp plans. Furthermore Germany, with control from the north and west and effectively from the south as well via their Slovakian puppet is flanking a lot of the Polish defences. Also how are the initially strikes by the LW affected? Are there a lot of extra airfields to operate those new plans and if so would many escape the early attacks? If so they could change the following air battles and group support at least for a while.
I would still expect the Poles to lose but it could be markedly more costly for the Germans. Whether this delays or prevents Soviet intervention would be one important issues. Also if the German forces suffer markedly heavier losses then how does that affect both German and Allied decisions?
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Post by shadow007 on Aug 4, 2022 3:36:40 GMT
Trying to remember the exact number of attempted assassinations on Hitler. Would the attempts escalate and by how much?
Poland did a good job hiding their planes unlike the Soviets at Barbarossa
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Post by lordroel on Aug 4, 2022 3:42:02 GMT
Trying to remember the exact number of attempted assassinations on Hitler. Would the attempts escalate and by how much? You mean by German officers, if the German invasion of Poland is stalled, no Soviet invasion of Poland and the British/French feeling strong enough to invade Germany from the West, there might be some extra attempts to remove Hitler. |
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Post by shadow007 on Aug 6, 2022 1:41:37 GMT
Trying to remember the exact number of attempted assassinations on Hitler. Would the attempts escalate and by how much? You mean by German officers, if the German invasion of Poland is stalled, no Soviet invasion of Poland and the British/French feeling strong enough to invade Germany from the West, there might be some extra attempts to remove Hitler. Wondering what post-war reprecussions would be? |
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Post by melanie on Aug 27, 2022 0:36:02 GMT
shadow007, lordroel, stevep, The conspirators failed to remove Hitler in OTL 1939 even though they knew he had started a war that Germany could not win. Why would they suddenly grow a backbone and metaphorically pull back the curtain to reveal the wizard?
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Post by stevep on Aug 27, 2022 11:42:40 GMT
shadow007 , lordroel , stevep , The conspirators failed to remove Hitler in OTL 1939 even though they knew he had started a war that Germany could not win. Why would they suddenly grow a backbone and metaphorically pull back the curtain to reveal the wizard?
I don't know of that many attempts by military officers, generally with little broader support. There were plenty by civilians and its amazing he survived them all.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 27, 2022 11:58:28 GMT
shadow007, lordroel, stevep, The conspirators failed to remove Hitler in OTL 1939 even though they knew he had started a war that Germany could not win. Why would they suddenly grow a backbone and metaphorically pull back the curtain to reveal the wizard? Also for you, do not tag all members who post in this thread, members see when somebody has posted in a thread they are participating in. |
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