miletus12
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Post by miletus12 on May 31, 2022 21:41:27 GMT
30 tries and they still did not get it right? I thought Elmo Zumwalt was sniffing glue when he okayed those garbage hulls. Only thing that made them even remotely adequate is that Bath Iron Works remembered that the ships had to give the sailors half a chance after they were hit. The approach I take to a weapon system is not service experience peacetime, but more akin to war mission effectiveness. Very much what I had in mind. It would have to be, since the ASW and air threat environment was 'difficult' and quasi-free fire zone. What *I wrote: That might be so (they both wrote a novel in their "Spare Navy time" and knowing what I know about life at sea when deployed they were very sleep deprived young men). BUT, According to an interview with the author in the early 60's, Keggs, his Furnald Hall room mate, we see a few times in the book was the wartime LTJG Wouk.
I did not know that. Thanks.
What I further wrote: I took that problem into account. But, and I have to write it, Spruance operated under the same pressures, in the same waters, with the same handicaps and he did 3.5. Fletcher, who I think was done dirty, operated under even far worse conditions, did at least 3.75 if not 4.0 and did not make the kinds of serious mistakes like Rennell Islands, Santa Cruz, 1st Guadalcanal, Leyte Gulf or the typhoons. That is early, middle and late war Halsey and in every case we can track his flubs to too loose procedural discipline, sloppy fleet administration and a rotten staff. Also we can find in the man a flawed unbelievably arrogant hubris^1 that reminds me too much of either Douglas MacArthur or dare I say it, this bozo, who I am currently reaming in the Spanish American war Thread as an incompetent jerk: (Admiral William Thomas Sampson ^^^). ^1 from Halsey's autobiography... a blurb The thing I find 'disturbing' about Halsey's presentation of the Pacific War as he saw it, is that it is NOT accurate. Anyway, back to the hunt for the Showboat's practice target!
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Post by oscssw on Jun 1, 2022 0:16:05 GMT
"Anyway, back to the hunt for the Showboat's practice target!" Good call Melitus. I can see neither of us is going to budge on our opinions of Bill Halsey. I suggest we just politely agree to disagree with no hard feelings. We got bigger fish to fry!
As for your practice target proposition I'd not bet money on it. This is a rigged game miletus12 because I am writing this poor excuse for an ATL . ALL ships will put up a damn good fight. Chance will play a good part as will fatigue and equipment design and maintenance failures and of course Neptune will have his way with the mortals through wind and wave. God I got to stop taking myself serious as a writer.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 1, 2022 3:41:38 GMT
"Anyway, back to the hunt for the Showboat's practice target!" This target shoot back.
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miletus12
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Post by miletus12 on Jun 1, 2022 10:45:16 GMT
"Anyway, back to the hunt for the Showboat's practice target!" This target shoot back. Against a properly worked up US battleship?
Note three salient facts. 1. It took Prince of Wales 9 straddles to get her hits on Bismarck which caused that oil leak. This was with a defective fire control setup and with malfunctioning guns and with green tracking parties and gun crews. So: PoW gets a bum rap in her two gunfights with Bismarck. She actually did 'fair' under the circumstances despite wrong target assignment and bolos in her track solutions in both of her engagements with the "practice target". It took Bismarck 7 straddles to hit PoW at Denmark Strait and she missed PoW entirely in the 2nd engagement, in the run south when PoW HIT her back. 2. Hood hit nothing before she was killed. This is because Bismarck solved her track within 6 straddles and scored a kill-shot before Hood solved her. I attribute this to Hood's lead position, the same green crew problem as PoW and a radar malfunction or casualty that forced the British to use opticals which given the British short distance topmounted base of sight length rangefinders introduced a deflection error of short and forward at the angle of merge which was not corrected in time. 3. In overall shooting at the end, the Home Fleet and associated ships pumped 2,800 shells into Bismarck over a 3 hour shoot ex, starting at 18,000 yards and closing *(Rodney) to 3,000 yards. There were 400 hits for 14% shooting. Most of THAT hit result (50% hits at that last 30 minute phase at 3,500 yards when Bismarck was hulked.) were in the close and kill stage. USS Washington scored (as of 2019 reexamination of the Kirishima wreck) 59 hits out of 78 shots out main armament at about 7,000 yards AT NIGHT in ABOUT 9 MINUTES at 2nd Guadalcanal. That is 75 % shooting; when in battle practice at short ranges in the USN expected 90%. So, it was 'acceptable' shooting at 2nd Guadalcanal but only just so. This is why I called "Bismarck" a "practice target". US fire control should solve her track very very fast. And if Hewitt uses his destroyers the right way, Bismarck should have a Chinese life: "very short and very exciting".
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Post by oscssw on Jun 1, 2022 13:13:00 GMT
Really good info Miletus, thanks. As usual a hell of a lot to digest but from a skim I'd say some of this will find it's way into my ATL.
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Post by oscssw on Jun 7, 2022 0:53:42 GMT
THE SHOWBOAT engages THE IRON CHANCELLOR June 6 Update Green is the new stuff Blue is old stuff I think is necessary to support new stuff
Please note you will find a few Green dates with blue log entries. This means I altered the chronology of events.2 Mar 1941 BB-55 began rigorous training in gunnery in Chesapeak Bay and the use of her new search and fire control radars on the Dahlgren Virginia test ranges.2 Mar 1941 1900 BB-55 "Ching" Lee, was not disappointed by the first days gunnery practice. It was what he expected from a raw crew. As a veteran member of the “Gun Club” he was well versed in USN gunnery exercises and their results. At this time he was thinking about the Long Range Battle Practice for 1939-40 objectives of training main battery personnel and spotters. To provide maximum training for Fire control parties and spotters, the Director of Fleet Training made partial salvos mandatory, to be fired by forward and after groups (each of which had their own spotting and control parties) in succession. This would really maximizee BB-55’s training time for her Firecontrol parties and spotters. They really needed as much training as he could reasonably cram into their time on the ranges. He was convinced, given he was operating in the North Atlantic, unfavorable combinations of wind, sea, light, and visibility would be the rule not the exception. If he was lucky, BB-55 would fight in moderate wind and sea conditions but it was just as likely the wind and sea would be a hell of a lot worse. He also had to drill his guners while dealing with a bad sun glare, with surface haze about 200 feet deep which caused a mirage effect on the horizon. He would have to pound into the heads of his gunners, commmissioned, CPOs and senior POs that the usually more dependable stereo range finders were less accurate than coincidence types. He would have to make sure his OODs knew a change of 30° from approach to the deployment course must be made at "Commence Firing," and another turn of 30° away was made during the shift from the forward to after groups between salvos 7 and 8. He also had to find a way to factor in Casualty training of his GMs especially misfire proceedures under war time conditions and not get anyone seriously hurt or killed in the practice.
The silver bullet to all those problems was radar. He would find ways to get the most out of his sets and somehow Shangahi radar experts to instruct his crew and he better do it quickly. He smiled as he congratulated himself for already taking the the first steps.
7 MAY ‘41 BB-55 underway for local training ops off Boston. Tolley, O’Shea and ship’s company Quartermasters, Interior Communications, and Electricians mates augmented by some very experienced yard workers had Lee’s Chart House converted to the new Tracking Compartment. Tolley and his “Radar Gang” were now calling it Tare Charlie or simply “The TC”. Lee, Tolley and RMC O’Shea had worked out a trial watch bill for “The TC”. Condition 1 (GQ) and 2 would absolutely require a TC watch officer, preferably a LT trained and recommended by Tolley himself, a watch supervisor trained and recommended by RMC O’Shea with PO radar operator and his non rated striker , 2 plotters North and South for ther DRT, expereinced RM3, IC3 and 4 non rated for log keeping/radio guard with as much OJT as possible and other miscelaneous tasks. Condition 2 would reduce the DRT plotters to one, the IC man to a designated Striker and miscelaneous nonrated of 2.
Condition 3 steaming a Chief or PO1 would be watch supervisor with PO radar operator and his non rated striker, plotter and his striker , and 3 non rated for log keeping/radio guard and training , (for the time being this was critical) and other miscelaneous tasks. Lee thought hard about a TC watch officer in Condition 3 but it would have to be an ensign or very junior JG and he knew the ship would be better off with an experienced, very reliable PO1 or average Chief.
Today and possibly for the next few days (no promises on the additional days) they had the survices of a Target towing Tug and he planned to make the most of it. Constant practice for the firecontrol teams, potters and gun crews was absolutely priority one. He also wanted his SOCs up and practicing their spotting priocedures. He had very full days planned and would keep shooting as long as he had target towing servcies. It would also give him a chance to see how far Tolley’s “Radar Gang” was progressing. He expect to do a lot of “Tweeking to the TC team before it was of real use. Hell he would spend part of his time in the TC because he had to be trained as well as his men. Fighting the ship from the TC, instead of the bridge and/or armored conning tower did not sit well with him. First off he couldn’t actually see anything. He had a lot more comfidence in the MK-1 Eyeball than the current state of radar. He was responsible for the safe pasage of BB-55 and he could not see doing that from the TC. Well he did have some good OODs in his LCDRs and the senior LTs were getting better every day. It would be a long time before he would trust the Conn to his JGs and hell would freeze over before he would trust a “Butter Bar.
15 MAY’41Convoy HX 123 departs Halifax Nova Scotia to Liverpool with 43 merchants Was considered fast convoy made up of ships that could make 9–13kn. A parallel series of slow convoys, the SC series, was run for ships making 8kn or less, while ships making more than 13 knots sailed independently. The HX convoys were comparatively fast convoys, they were less vulnerable to U-boat attack than the slow convoys, but they were still very vulnerable to large surface raiders, like Bismarck and The Prince. Therefore the escort included an old BB if at all possible.
HX-123 escorts were: 1 Old BB HMS Ramillies 4 Town class Ex USN WW I DDs including the future famous HMSCampbeltown, ExUSN DD 131, of the St Nazaire Raid 5 Flower class Corvets 3 old ASW sloops 1 Armed Merchant Cruiser18 MAY 1941 2110 What the comodore and CO of Cambeltown strongly suspected but did not absolutely know was the type 9B U-105 although suffering shock damage to her long range radio had already signaled her sighting report to BDU. Roel’s 850 meters DF intercept was very strong proof of that. Three more of her type IXB long range sisters were sent by BDU to raise havoc as far east as possible, along the halifax to Liverpool convoy lane; well outside the type VIIC Uboats’ normal operating range. Two of the boats had already received U-105’s CO Hans “Petruchio” Becker’s sigting report and were closing on HX-123 from the West U-123 commanded by U-Boat “Ace” Kapitänleutnant Reinhard “Trommelschlag” Hardegen and U-107 skippered Kapitänleutnant Günther Hessler (Karl Dönitz's son in law). They doubled the lookouts and cranked up their 986 shp; diesles to 18 kts to close on HX-123 (which was moving in their gneneral direction) and should reach HX-123 by 2125 and 2330 respectively 19 MAY. 19 MAY 1941 0530 CO Cambletown calls off the search and orders his navigator for a two boiler run (Every CO of a Town Class DD, with it’s small bunkerage, has to keep in mind his fuel level) back to HX-123 current posit. 19 MAY 1941 0645 U-105’s CO Hans “Petruchio” Becker, orders his sonar rating to do a 360 degree sweep with his GruppenHorchGerät (GHG) Hydrophone underwater sound detector. GHG hears nothing. He then orders the boat to pariscope depth. 19 MAY 1941 0700 “Petruchio” finishes his visula search and orders another GHG search; still nothing. 19 MAY 1941 0708 Herr Becker orders the bridge crew assembled 19 MAY 1941 0712 U-105 surfaces . Bridge crew scrambles up the conning tower ladder lookouts do a full sweep of their sectors and report no contacts. 19 MAY 1941 0715 Herr Becker takes a long look at the Borkum (FuMB 10) radar detection device. Nothing. He orders course & speed to intercept convoy HX-123 by 2300 of the OOD and returns to the Zentrale (control room). The CHENG reports it will take at least four hours to repair all the shock damage from the Englander Feger’s (DD AKA Sweeper) “wasser bombs”. Herr Becker informs the Zentrale crew he intends to stay surfaced as long as possible to rendezvous with U-123“Ace” Kapitänleutnant Reinhard “Trommelschlag” Hardegen and U-107 skippered Kapitänleutnant Günther Hessler (Karl Dönitz's son in law) before they go in and tear the heart out of the convoy. He then orders normal staeming watch set to give his crew much needed rest and then conducts a full inspection of the boat with his Cheng. 19 MAY 1941 0740 FdU (Führer der Unterseeboote AKA U-boat C O) “Petruchio” returns to his cabin to write up his after action report. He is well pleased with both his crew and boat. He likes his type IX better than the Type VIIC. All Type IXB submarines have 986 shp while submerged and 4,340 shp when surfaced. As a result, they could travel at 18.2 knots while surfaced and 7.3 knots submerged. His Type IXB has a range of 12,000 nmi at 10 knots while on the surface and 64 nmi at 4 knots submerged. He has 6 torpedo tubes (4 in the bow, 2 in the stern) and carries a total of twenty two 21 inch Aals. Unlike the earlier Type IXAs, his Type IXB is equipped to launch 44 TMC mines but Uncle Karl did not favor them as they were not quite as effective as the torpedo and so U-105 carried nne this cruise. His Type IXB is armed with a 105 mm SK C/32 naval gun and 180 rounds on a Utof mount. He also has 2 standard 20 mm FLAK guns. Although his IXB could cram in up to 56 crew and “passengers” he was satisfied with his 46. He also was thankful his U-105 was home ported in Lorient. Uncle Karl took very good care of his Boats and men. As MN base, Lorient had the facilities Dönitz needed, as well as numerous cafes and bars, and a red-light districts. The dockyard facilities were excellent and the Madamoisells were very, very friendly, as long as you had money and were generous to them. Well they earned every Reichspfennig they got. Could not have been fun “servicing” a virile, sex starved young U-boat man just in from a 30 day North Atlantic patrol. They also had to contend with the hatred of their own countrymen and especially women. To that there was also real danger from fear maddened youngsters who drank far too much and all too often took it out on their Huren.
The first area put into use as a U-boat dock was the fisherman's wharf of Keroman on the River Blavet. Work commenced in November 1940, and the installation comprised two wet docks capable of accommodating the larger Type IX U-boat. At the same time, in the trawler port, two large above-ground bunkers were constructed to protect U-boats that may require repairs or refit. These structures were reminiscent of church naves, and were nicknamed "Dom" bunkers (Dom being the German word for a cathedral).
9 MAY 1941 1130 Lt.Cdr. Lord Teynham was in his Gig heading back to his ship. He would rate his dressing down by the Comodore no more than a 5 on a scale of 10. The old man seemed preoccupied. He was right and he was pretty sure he knew why. 19 MAY 1941 1138 Roel’sintercept sure “smelled” like a sighting report that would bring in every U-boat in the vicinity in looking for blood. The Comodore of HX-123 did not absolutely know it but suspected he had U-boats getting into position for a coordinated night attack after dark. This was still pretty far West to be hit by one of the large Type VII Wolf Packs. Did the type IX fight in the packs? Until now most of the long range sub attacks were by individaul Type 9s operating alone. Just as well they were rid of Ramillies but he did not like loosing a Town class DD and the little ASW sloop. What could Roger’s do to make good use of that time? Refueling the escorts seemed very prudent. 19 MAY 1941 1145 The comodore ordered the escorts to refuel by signal hoist. Precedence would be the two remaining old ASW sloops, the three remaining Town class Ex USN WW I Dds with Campbeltown first, and finally the 5 Flower class Corvets. It required juggling the screen but the weather was moderate and they have plenty of time. He would have loved to fire off that Seafire for a recce but that would loose him his air cover and probably a fine, brave young man to no good purpose. He was worried about U-Boats not surface raiders. 19 MAY 1941 1630 Refueling completed with only minor damage to an oiler and two escorts. Really nothing much more than a few dented hull plates and the loss of a spann wire from a refueling rig and a cleat ripped out of the deck of one of the Town Class Dds, both easily replaced. Those Yankee Gifts Horses were absolute beasts to handle alongside an oiler. No one had been killed or even injured so, all in all, a good evolution. Most important no matter what was in store for HIS convoy the escorts had plenty of fuel, for now. Those old Dds hull lines were too narrow which gave them a vicious roll. The OODs didn't like the way they handled either. They had propellers that spun the same way, 2-screw ships usually have the Prop Shafts spinning in opposite directions to reduce the effects on the rudder when conning, especially when coming alongside and staying at the proper distance for an unrep. Their turning circle was huge, as big as most Bbs, a real dangerous flaw in ASW which demands tight manoeuvres. This was topped off by unreliable "chain and cog" steering gear laid across the main deck. Even their fully enclosed bridges caused problems with reflections in the glass at night. The last, in Roger’s opinion, was a bit of just plain bitching for the sake of it as the DD’s had perfectly adaquate OPEN bridge wings and a well equipped open conning station right above the enclosed pilot house.
21 May 1941 1415 CO Brooklyn told Hewitt his ship was ready and able to carry out all assignemnts issued. He had no major CASREPS and absolute confdence in his men. “Admiral I need to know what your interpretation of the Nuetrality Patrol ROE’s.” Hewitt replied. Captain, most of it is exactly as laid out in his TG39.1 Standard Operating Doctrine you received a few minutes ago.” What I think you are asking is IS there anything off the record you should know! TG39.1 will: 1. Locate and positively identify unknown contacts" 2. I will signal “unfriendly contacts" position and identity to my boss. 3. I and I alone in TG39.1 will determine the level of hostile intent and make the shoot, no-shoot" decission based on MY assessment of the risk posed to MY command by the "unfriendly contact". 4. This does not in any way keep you from returning fire. In fact, your duty is once the Germans shoot at you, my standing instruction along with well established fleet wide SOP is to destroy the hostile contact. You are to sink the bastard. Clear enough Captain? Aye,Aye Sir. There was silence for the next few minutes to let this sink I.
22 MAY 1941 TG39.1 spends the day and a good portion of the night on various courses and speeds conducting a succession of ever increasingly difficult battle exercises while still maintaining a tight watch on actual events. Hewitt is satisfied with TG39.1 individual ship’s performance and is concentrating on improving the coordination of his entire force. He also wants to test the individual seamanship and nerve of his Captains. So far they are a mixed lot; a few real stars, most pre-war competent and just a couple who could use a good kick in the Ass and he was just the Flag officer to administer what they required.
24 MAY 1941 0800 Vice-Admiral Lancelot Holland shifts his flag to POW. He orders Norfolk, despite the fact she that only the 1.5 m fixed-antenna type 286M, the one that required swinging ship for direction, to shadow Bismarck and Prince Eugene. He orders, Hood, POW, Suffolk, Antelope and Electra to make best speed 5 kts while POW is towing Suffolk stern first to Reykjavik.
25 MAY 1941 1130 Rescue Tug Bustler (1,118 tons, 3,200hp max spd 16 kts one 3in, one 2 pdr, two 20mm and four Mgs. ) and arrives from Reykjavik. Her “escort” is HMT Coriolanus (545 long tons, 164 ft ,Max spd 12 kts, crew 40 , one 12pdr, Three 3 20 mm and 30 × depth charges). Tug Bustler takes over tow of Suffolk. However, she is able to tow Suffolk at 8 kts. 25 MAY 1941 1400 Suffolk, Bustler and Coriolanus detach and head for Reykjavik. It was another tough decision for Vice-Admiral Lancelot Holland, NOT to assign one of his remaining ASW escorts. He had been advised about 30 minutes ago by flashing light SitRep Hood was now capable of 12 kts, about the best she can maintain with her damaged bows shored. Counter flooding has reduced Hood’s list to 5 degrees. All fires out, serious dewatering effort underway and DC teams continue to patch battle damage to hull. Medical teams still overwhelmed but by ruthleesly adhereing to Triage SOP Senior MO and his staff aided by whoever can be spared from absolutely necessary watch keep and DC teams are saving those they can but the butcher bill grows by the minute. 25 MAY 1941 1500 Vice-Admiral Lancelot Holland, orders his “force” to increases speed to 12 kts, 25 May 1941 1600 Holland reads Sitrep from POW’ XO “acting captain” ; Engaged in the same process as Hood but fortunately her damage and wounded are far less severe. Her Butcher’s Bill will be less than 100. Even with builders aboard no major repair of her main battery is possible. However, the civilian techs are of great assistance nursing her engineering plant and mitigating hull damage. 26 MAY ‘41 1130 The Bismarck received a message from Hitler saying that "all our thoughts are with our victorious comrades."
27 May 1941: At 0530 hours, the Prince of Wales & Hood arrive at Reykjavik with Antelope and Electra. The battleships anchors in Reykjavik and immediately land their wounded. The destroyers imediately refuel and reprovisioned. While anchored there Holland transmits the first detailed battle report to the Admiralty about the engagement in the Denmark Strait. 27 MAY 1941 2200 Bismarck and The Prince pick up local “pilots” from Greenland fishing vessel. This same vessel had conducted a very thorough survey by a Kriegsmarine Officer and two local fishermen, former pre war harbor pilots of Kangerluarsunnguaq Fjord. 27 MAY 1941 2230 Bismarck and The Prince under complete blackout and guided by their radars and local Nazi sympathizers pass through the mouth of Kangerluarsunnguaq Fjord. They find Kapitan zur See Helmuth von Ruckteschell & his 10,000 ton 18 kt blockade running Oiler Weissenburg anchored over the “sea Bottom” (inner part of Fjord) close up to the walls of the very steep and deep fjord. Weissenburg guided by the same Greenland Nazi agents anchored at 2200 and made all preps to speedily discharge their fuel on both sides, in order to get Lutgens away before first light. Kapitan zur See Helmuth von Ruckteschell invites the Admiral and his two captains to celbrate the defeat of the Royal Navy in the Denmark Straight and the continuned success Operation Rheinübung ("Exercise Rhine") in his plush sea cabin with Cuban cigars, French cognac and Sacher Torte. This cake is light and airy, made with melted chocolate, vanilla, butter, sugar, and flour, whipped egg whites, apricot coating, smothered in a dark chocolate glaze. 28 May 1941 POW Antelope and Electra. Departs Reykjavik for Rosyth. 28 MAY 1941 0200 Vice admiral Lutgens, has been feeling restless, sweaty and anxiety over the last hour. Suddenly he sits bolt upright in his chair, with a grimace of great pain on his face, spills his cognac and experinces heavy pounding of his the heart followed by loss of consciousness. Ruckteschell calls for his surgeon while Kapitäns zur See Brinkmann and Lindemann administer first aid. It takes the doctor seven and a half minutes to reach the sea cabin but the Vice admiral is already dead. The doctor states from the look of the Vice admiral and based on what the three officers told him Lindeman had suffered a massive heart attack. 28 MAY 1941 0230 After removal of the body the three captains each down a stiff congnac, refill their snifters and get down to business. Lindeman expresses his full support and obedience to Kapitän zur See (KzS—Captain at Sea) Helmuth Brinkmann of the PRINCE as he is senior Captain. Brinkmann thanks Lindemann for his words and orders they go over to Bismarck so he can read Lutgens orders for Operation Rheinübung. He makes it perfectly clear he intends to carry out those orders to the letter. He also formally states all standing orders of the Vice Admiral will stay in place. Lindeman asks Brinkmann when he will break his “command pennant” on Bismarck. Brinkmann replies “I have complete confidence in you as Captain of Bismarck. Unfortuneatly my Executive Officer has been showing some strange behavior since the Denmark Straight battle. I think it best to stay aboard The Prince and support him during his transition to command. The Prince has plenty of room so I will have the staff transferred before we sail. He turns to Ruckteschell, “How much longer to fill our bunkers.” Ruckteschell replies “We will be done by 0330.” Brinkmann replies “So be it, not a minute later. I want to be as far from this place as possible by daylight.” “ Kapitan zur See Helmuth von Ruckteschell send in a yoeman, I must compose a short report of for our masters.” Brinkmann dictates a three paragraph message to include with the Vice Admirals report stating he bald facts of what happened, he took command and would carry out Operation Rheinübung to the best of his ability and he had every confidence of success. Also his condolences to Lindemann’s family. At that Brinkmann & Lindemann hurry over to Bismarck. The Vice Admiral C of Staff is waiting in the flag space with the orders and other documents Brinkmann needs. The staff is busy packing up everythimng to transfer to The Prince. It will be tight but it will be done. Brikmann orders the Flag Lt. To move all of Lutgen’s personal poseesions to Weissenburg and then join him aboard The Prince. 28 MAY 1941 0340 Bismarck with The Prince leading ,heads for the mouth of Kangerluarsunnguaq Fjord conned by the Greenland Nazi sympathetic fishermen/pilots. 28 MAY 1941 0420 The Brinkmann TG clears Kangerluarsunnguaq Fjord , course SE and a rendezvou with as many Tommy Convoys as he has fuel and ammunition for. Why not? They had defeated the mighty Hood, badly damaged and driven off Prince of Whales. HIS TG had also slaughters the cruisers and destroyers sent to kill them with ease and suffered only very minor damage. He knew he was a much better leader and a much smarter sailor than poor Lutgens. In his present mood ALL THINGS WERE POSSIBLE. He sardonically laughed aloud when he said to his new Chief of Staff “I guess God really is on the Fuhrers side.” Then he turned serious. “Now to work, find me a large, ripe Tommy convoy.”
30 May 1941 POW Antelope and Electra arrives in Rosyth. 30 MAY '42 0730 USS Brooklyn CL-40 morning Curtiss SOC Seagull scout is spotted first by Bismarck's Arado Ar 196. At contact the Arado Ar 196 was above the Seagul and in the sun. The German pilot imediately dived for the Seagul in a blow through attcak. His two wing mounted 20mm auto canons and one forward firing 7.92 MG ripped through the tail and after cockpit of the SOC killing the Observer. The shaken and wounded Seagul pilot 's transmitted an aircraft sighting report but is killed before he could transmit his posit. The brief transmission was picked up by two only two ships in Hewitt's force, Brooklyn and Dunlap's DD-384. The incomplete sighting report gives him a first proof a German capital ship is in the area. No firm Datum, No course and speed, no confirmation of which ship or ships it is but he and Lee are very sure it is Bismarck/and or The Prince. They knew something else, based on an estimate the Seagull's last posit HX-123 was between TG 39.1 and the German Force. 30 MAY'42 0745, despite marginally acceptable flying conditions and sea state Hewitt orders Lee to launch a recon SOC to the last estimated position of the downed Seagull. Lee selected LT Stryker OIC of his Air Det and his observer Chief Craig on this very dangerous but vital mission because they would do the job no matter what the odds. LT Stryker was also the nephew of CMDR Joe Stryker, BB-55's Executive Officer. He informed both men what happend to the CA-40's aircraft. Pilot was ordered to conduct a sector search and if successful to take whatecer action he deemed neccessary to ensure his sighting report is acknowledged by Hewitt's TG. He was then to shadow the German force signalling posit, course and speed changes. Lee agin thanked God for Hewitt because the man had the iron to order a couple of good young men to their death. Also because Hewitt was taking a big chance, by breaking radio silence, Lutgens would pick up the acknoldgement and know the Seagull's home was a USN capital ship and atleast it's bearing from Bismarck. 30 MAY'42 0955 2nd scout reaches last position of Brooklyn's aircraft and begins sector search to the North West . 30 MAY'42 1240 Stryker and Craig spot The Prince steaming SOUTH WEST at 19 kts and imediately transmit sighting report which is not recieved by TG 39.1 30 MAY'42 1243 Stryker orders Chief Craig to keep sending that "Fvcking signal until he gets an acknowledgement" and then takes the SOC into a cloud bank. For the next half hour Stryker skips in and out of the clouds, varifying The Prince's Course and speed and avoiding another Arado Ar 196. 30 MAY'42 1313 Chief Craig recieves TG 39.1 acknowledgement of the sighting report. Actually BB-55 had transmitted it's first acknowledgment at 1250. Hewitt authorized further transmissions at 1255, 1305 and 1310.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 7, 2022 2:57:20 GMT
THE SHOWBOAT engages THE IRON CHANCELLOR June 6 Update Green is the new stuff Blue is old stuff I think is necessary to support new stuff
Please note you will find a few Green dates with blue log entries. This means I altered the chronology of events.2 Mar 1941 BB-55 began rigorous training in gunnery in Chesapeak Bay and the use of her new search and fire control radars on the Dahlgren Virginia test ranges.2 Mar 1941 1900 BB-55 "Ching" Lee, was not disappointed by the first days gunnery practice. It was what he expected from a raw crew. As a veteran member of the “Gun Club” he was well versed in USN gunnery exercises and their results. At this time he was thinking about the Long Range Battle Practice for 1939-40 objectives of training main battery personnel and spotters. To provide maximum training for Fire control parties and spotters, the Director of Fleet Training made partial salvos mandatory, to be fired by forward and after groups (each of which had their own spotting and control parties) in succession. This would really maximizee BB-55’s training time for her Firecontrol parties and spotters. They really needed as much training as he could reasonably cram into their time on the ranges. He was convinced, given he was operating in the North Atlantic, unfavorable combinations of wind, sea, light, and visibility would be the rule not the exception. If he was lucky, BB-55 would fight in moderate wind and sea conditions but it was just as likely the wind and sea would be a hell of a lot worse. He also had to drill his guners while dealing with a bad sun glare, with surface haze about 200 feet deep which caused a mirage effect on the horizon. He would have to pound into the heads of his gunners, commmissioned, CPOs and senior POs that the usually more dependable stereo range finders were less accurate than coincidence types. He would have to make sure his OODs knew a change of 30° from approach to the deployment course must be made at "Commence Firing," and another turn of 30° away was made during the shift from the forward to after groups between salvos 7 and 8. He also had to find a way to factor in Casualty training of his GMs especially misfire proceedures under war time conditions and not get anyone seriously hurt or killed in the practice.
The silver bullet to all those problems was radar. He would find ways to get the most out of his sets and somehow Shangahi radar experts to instruct his crew and he better do it quickly. He smiled as he congratulated himself for already taking the the first steps.
7 MAY ‘41 BB-55 underway for local training ops off Boston. Tolley, O’Shea and ship’s company Quartermasters, Interior Communications, and Electricians mates augmented by some very experienced yard workers had Lee’s Chart House converted to the new Tracking Compartment. Tolley and his “Radar Gang” were now calling it Tare Charlie or simply “The TC”. Lee, Tolley and RMC O’Shea had worked out a trial watch bill for “The TC”. Condition 1 (GQ) and 2 would absolutely require a TC watch officer, preferably a LT trained and recommended by Tolley himself, a watch supervisor trained and recommended by RMC O’Shea with PO radar operator and his non rated striker , 2 plotters North and South for ther DRT, expereinced RM3, IC3 and 4 non rated for log keeping/radio guard with as much OJT as possible and other miscelaneous tasks. Condition 2 would reduce the DRT plotters to one, the IC man to a designated Striker and miscelaneous nonrated of 2.
Condition 3 steaming a Chief or PO1 would be watch supervisor with PO radar operator and his non rated striker, plotter and his striker , and 3 non rated for log keeping/radio guard and training , (for the time being this was critical) and other miscelaneous tasks. Lee thought hard about a TC watch officer in Condition 3 but it would have to be an ensign or very junior JG and he knew the ship would be better off with an experienced, very reliable PO1 or average Chief.
Today and possibly for the next few days (no promises on the additional days) they had the survices of a Target towing Tug and he planned to make the most of it. Constant practice for the firecontrol teams, potters and gun crews was absolutely priority one. He also wanted his SOCs up and practicing their spotting priocedures. He had very full days planned and would keep shooting as long as he had target towing servcies. It would also give him a chance to see how far Tolley’s “Radar Gang” was progressing. He expect to do a lot of “Tweeking to the TC team before it was of real use. Hell he would spend part of his time in the TC because he had to be trained as well as his men. Fighting the ship from the TC, instead of the bridge and/or armored conning tower did not sit well with him. First off he couldn’t actually see anything. He had a lot more comfidence in the MK-1 Eyeball than the current state of radar. He was responsible for the safe pasage of BB-55 and he could not see doing that from the TC. Well he did have some good OODs in his LCDRs and the senior LTs were getting better every day. It would be a long time before he would trust the Conn to his JGs and hell would freeze over before he would trust a “Butter Bar.
15 MAY’41Convoy HX 123 departs Halifax Nova Scotia to Liverpool with 43 merchants Was considered fast convoy made up of ships that could make 9–13kn. A parallel series of slow convoys, the SC series, was run for ships making 8kn or less, while ships making more than 13 knots sailed independently. The HX convoys were comparatively fast convoys, they were less vulnerable to U-boat attack than the slow convoys, but they were still very vulnerable to large surface raiders, like Bismarck and The Prince. Therefore the escort included an old BB if at all possible.
HX-123 escorts were: 1 Old BB HMS Ramillies 4 Town class Ex USN WW I DDs including the future famous HMSCampbeltown, ExUSN DD 131, of the St Nazaire Raid 5 Flower class Corvets 3 old ASW sloops 1 Armed Merchant Cruiser18 MAY 1941 2110 What the comodore and CO of Cambeltown strongly suspected but did not absolutely know was the type 9B U-105 although suffering shock damage to her long range radio had already signaled her sighting report to BDU. Roel’s 850 meters DF intercept was very strong proof of that. Three more of her type IXB long range sisters were sent by BDU to raise havoc as far east as possible, along the halifax to Liverpool convoy lane; well outside the type VIIC Uboats’ normal operating range. Two of the boats had already received U-105’s CO Hans “Petruchio” Becker’s sigting report and were closing on HX-123 from the West U-123 commanded by U-Boat “Ace” Kapitänleutnant Reinhard “Trommelschlag” Hardegen and U-107 skippered Kapitänleutnant Günther Hessler (Karl Dönitz's son in law). They doubled the lookouts and cranked up their 986 shp; diesles to 18 kts to close on HX-123 (which was moving in their gneneral direction) and should reach HX-123 by 2125 and 2330 respectively 19 MAY. 19 MAY 1941 0530 CO Cambletown calls off the search and orders his navigator for a two boiler run (Every CO of a Town Class DD, with it’s small bunkerage, has to keep in mind his fuel level) back to HX-123 current posit. 19 MAY 1941 0645 U-105’s CO Hans “Petruchio” Becker, orders his sonar rating to do a 360 degree sweep with his GruppenHorchGerät (GHG) Hydrophone underwater sound detector. GHG hears nothing. He then orders the boat to pariscope depth. 19 MAY 1941 0700 “Petruchio” finishes his visula search and orders another GHG search; still nothing. 19 MAY 1941 0708 Herr Becker orders the bridge crew assembled 19 MAY 1941 0712 U-105 surfaces . Bridge crew scrambles up the conning tower ladder lookouts do a full sweep of their sectors and report no contacts. 19 MAY 1941 0715 Herr Becker takes a long look at the Borkum (FuMB 10) radar detection device. Nothing. He orders course & speed to intercept convoy HX-123 by 2300 of the OOD and returns to the Zentrale (control room). The CHENG reports it will take at least four hours to repair all the shock damage from the Englander Feger’s (DD AKA Sweeper) “wasser bombs”. Herr Becker informs the Zentrale crew he intends to stay surfaced as long as possible to rendezvous with U-123“Ace” Kapitänleutnant Reinhard “Trommelschlag” Hardegen and U-107 skippered Kapitänleutnant Günther Hessler (Karl Dönitz's son in law) before they go in and tear the heart out of the convoy. He then orders normal staeming watch set to give his crew much needed rest and then conducts a full inspection of the boat with his Cheng. 19 MAY 1941 0740 FdU (Führer der Unterseeboote AKA U-boat C O) “Petruchio” returns to his cabin to write up his after action report. He is well pleased with both his crew and boat. He likes his type IX better than the Type VIIC. All Type IXB submarines have 986 shp while submerged and 4,340 shp when surfaced. As a result, they could travel at 18.2 knots while surfaced and 7.3 knots submerged. His Type IXB has a range of 12,000 nmi at 10 knots while on the surface and 64 nmi at 4 knots submerged. He has 6 torpedo tubes (4 in the bow, 2 in the stern) and carries a total of twenty two 21 inch Aals. Unlike the earlier Type IXAs, his Type IXB is equipped to launch 44 TMC mines but Uncle Karl did not favor them as they were not quite as effective as the torpedo and so U-105 carried nne this cruise. His Type IXB is armed with a 105 mm SK C/32 naval gun and 180 rounds on a Utof mount. He also has 2 standard 20 mm FLAK guns. Although his IXB could cram in up to 56 crew and “passengers” he was satisfied with his 46. He also was thankful his U-105 was home ported in Lorient. Uncle Karl took very good care of his Boats and men. As MN base, Lorient had the facilities Dönitz needed, as well as numerous cafes and bars, and a red-light districts. The dockyard facilities were excellent and the Madamoisells were very, very friendly, as long as you had money and were generous to them. Well they earned every Reichspfennig they got. Could not have been fun “servicing” a virile, sex starved young U-boat man just in from a 30 day North Atlantic patrol. They also had to contend with the hatred of their own countrymen and especially women. To that there was also real danger from fear maddened youngsters who drank far too much and all too often took it out on their Huren.
The first area put into use as a U-boat dock was the fisherman's wharf of Keroman on the River Blavet. Work commenced in November 1940, and the installation comprised two wet docks capable of accommodating the larger Type IX U-boat. At the same time, in the trawler port, two large above-ground bunkers were constructed to protect U-boats that may require repairs or refit. These structures were reminiscent of church naves, and were nicknamed "Dom" bunkers (Dom being the German word for a cathedral).
9 MAY 1941 1130 Lt.Cdr. Lord Teynham was in his Gig heading back to his ship. He would rate his dressing down by the Comodore no more than a 5 on a scale of 10. The old man seemed preoccupied. He was right and he was pretty sure he knew why. 19 MAY 1941 1138 Roel’sintercept sure “smelled” like a sighting report that would bring in every U-boat in the vicinity in looking for blood. The Comodore of HX-123 did not absolutely know it but suspected he had U-boats getting into position for a coordinated night attack after dark. This was still pretty far West to be hit by one of the large Type VII Wolf Packs. Did the type IX fight in the packs? Until now most of the long range sub attacks were by individaul Type 9s operating alone. Just as well they were rid of Ramillies but he did not like loosing a Town class DD and the little ASW sloop. What could Roger’s do to make good use of that time? Refueling the escorts seemed very prudent. 19 MAY 1941 1145 The comodore ordered the escorts to refuel by signal hoist. Precedence would be the two remaining old ASW sloops, the three remaining Town class Ex USN WW I Dds with Campbeltown first, and finally the 5 Flower class Corvets. It required juggling the screen but the weather was moderate and they have plenty of time. He would have loved to fire off that Seafire for a recce but that would loose him his air cover and probably a fine, brave young man to no good purpose. He was worried about U-Boats not surface raiders. 19 MAY 1941 1630 Refueling completed with only minor damage to an oiler and two escorts. Really nothing much more than a few dented hull plates and the loss of a spann wire from a refueling rig and a cleat ripped out of the deck of one of the Town Class Dds, both easily replaced. Those Yankee Gifts Horses were absolute beasts to handle alongside an oiler. No one had been killed or even injured so, all in all, a good evolution. Most important no matter what was in store for HIS convoy the escorts had plenty of fuel, for now. Those old Dds hull lines were too narrow which gave them a vicious roll. The OODs didn't like the way they handled either. They had propellers that spun the same way, 2-screw ships usually have the Prop Shafts spinning in opposite directions to reduce the effects on the rudder when conning, especially when coming alongside and staying at the proper distance for an unrep. Their turning circle was huge, as big as most Bbs, a real dangerous flaw in ASW which demands tight manoeuvres. This was topped off by unreliable "chain and cog" steering gear laid across the main deck. Even their fully enclosed bridges caused problems with reflections in the glass at night. The last, in Roger’s opinion, was a bit of just plain bitching for the sake of it as the DD’s had perfectly adaquate OPEN bridge wings and a well equipped open conning station right above the enclosed pilot house. 21 May 1941 1415 CO Brooklyn told Hewitt his ship was ready and able to carry out all assignemnts issued. He had no major CASREPS and absolute confdence in his men. “Admiral I need to know what your interpretation of the Nuetrality Patrol ROE’s.” Hewitt replied. Captain, most of it is exactly as laid out in his TG39.1 Standard Operating Doctrine you received a few minutes ago.” What I think you are asking is IS there anything off the record you should know! TG39.1 will: 1. Locate and positively identify unknown contacts" 2. I will signal “unfriendly contacts" position and identity to my boss. 3. I and I alone in TG39.1 will determine the level of hostile intent and make the shoot, no-shoot" decission based on MY assessment of the risk posed to MY command by the "unfriendly contact". 4. This does not in any way keep you from returning fire. In fact, your duty is once the Germans shoot at you, my standing instruction along with well established fleet wide SOP is to destroy the hostile contact. You are to sink the bastard. Clear enough Captain? Aye,Aye Sir. There was silence for the next few minutes to let this sink I. 22 MAY 1941 TG39.1 spends the day and a good portion of the night on various courses and speeds conducting a succession of ever increasingly difficult battle exercises while still maintaining a tight watch on actual events. Hewitt is satisfied with TG39.1 individual ship’s performance and is concentrating on improving the coordination of his entire force. He also wants to test the individual seamanship and nerve of his Captains. So far they are a mixed lot; a few real stars, most pre-war competent and just a couple who could use a good kick in the Ass and he was just the Flag officer to administer what they required.
24 MAY 1941 0800 Vice-Admiral Lancelot Holland shifts his flag to POW. He orders Norfolk, despite the fact she that only the 1.5 m fixed-antenna type 286M, the one that required swinging ship for direction, to shadow Bismarck and Prince Eugene. He orders, Hood, POW, Suffolk, Antelope and Electra to make best speed 5 kts while POW is towing Suffolk stern first to Reykjavik. 25 MAY 1941 1130 Rescue Tug Bustler (1,118 tons, 3,200hp max spd 16 kts one 3in, one 2 pdr, two 20mm and four Mgs. ) and arrives from Reykjavik. Her “escort” is HMT Coriolanus (545 long tons, 164 ft ,Max spd 12 kts, crew 40 , one 12pdr, Three 3 20 mm and 30 × depth charges). Tug Bustler takes over tow of Suffolk. However, she is able to tow Suffolk at 8 kts. 25 MAY 1941 1400 Suffolk, Bustler and Coriolanus detach and head for Reykjavik. It was another tough decision for Vice-Admiral Lancelot Holland, NOT to assign one of his remaining ASW escorts. He had been advised about 30 minutes ago by flashing light SitRep Hood was now capable of 12 kts, about the best she can maintain with her damaged bows shored. Counter flooding has reduced Hood’s list to 5 degrees. All fires out, serious dewatering effort underway and DC teams continue to patch battle damage to hull. Medical teams still overwhelmed but by ruthleesly adhereing to Triage SOP Senior MO and his staff aided by whoever can be spared from absolutely necessary watch keep and DC teams are saving those they can but the butcher bill grows by the minute. 25 MAY 1941 1500 Vice-Admiral Lancelot Holland, orders his “force” to increases speed to 12 kts, 25 May 1941 1600 Holland reads Sitrep from POW’ XO “acting captain” ; Engaged in the same process as Hood but fortunately her damage and wounded are far less severe. Her Butcher’s Bill will be less than 100. Even with builders aboard no major repair of her main battery is possible. However, the civilian techs are of great assistance nursing her engineering plant and mitigating hull damage. 26 MAY ‘41 1130 The Bismarck received a message from Hitler saying that "all our thoughts are with our victorious comrades."
27 May 1941: At 0530 hours, the Prince of Wales & Hood arrive at Reykjavik with Antelope and Electra. The battleships anchors in Reykjavik and immediately land their wounded. The destroyers imediately refuel and reprovisioned. While anchored there Holland transmits the first detailed battle report to the Admiralty about the engagement in the Denmark Strait. 27 MAY 1941 2200 Bismarck and The Prince pick up local “pilots” from Greenland fishing vessel. This same vessel had conducted a very thorough survey by a Kriegsmarine Officer and two local fishermen, former pre war harbor pilots of Kangerluarsunnguaq Fjord. 27 MAY 1941 2230 Bismarck and The Prince under complete blackout and guided by their radars and local Nazi sympathizers pass through the mouth of Kangerluarsunnguaq Fjord. They find Kapitan zur See Helmuth von Ruckteschell & his 10,000 ton 18 kt blockade running Oiler Weissenburg anchored over the “sea Bottom” (inner part of Fjord) close up to the walls of the very steep and deep fjord. Weissenburg guided by the same Greenland Nazi agents anchored at 2200 and made all preps to speedily discharge their fuel on both sides, in order to get Lutgens away before first light. Kapitan zur See Helmuth von Ruckteschell invites the Admiral and his two captains to celbrate the defeat of the Royal Navy in the Denmark Straight and the continuned success Operation Rheinübung ("Exercise Rhine") in his plush sea cabin with Cuban cigars, French cognac and Sacher Torte. This cake is light and airy, made with melted chocolate, vanilla, butter, sugar, and flour, whipped egg whites, apricot coating, smothered in a dark chocolate glaze. 28 May 1941 POW Antelope and Electra. Departs Reykjavik for Rosyth. 28 MAY 1941 0200 Vice admiral Lutgens, has been feeling restless, sweaty and anxiety over the last hour. Suddenly he sits bolt upright in his chair, with a grimace of great pain on his face, spills his cognac and experinces heavy pounding of his the heart followed by loss of consciousness. Ruckteschell calls for his surgeon while Kapitäns zur See Brinkmann and Lindemann administer first aid. It takes the doctor seven and a half minutes to reach the sea cabin but the Vice admiral is already dead. The doctor states from the look of the Vice admiral and based on what the three officers told him Lindeman had suffered a massive heart attack. 28 MAY 1941 0230 After removal of the body the three captains each down a stiff congnac, refill their snifters and get down to business. Lindeman expresses his full support and obedience to Kapitän zur See (KzS—Captain at Sea) Helmuth Brinkmann of the PRINCE as he is senior Captain. Brinkmann thanks Lindemann for his words and orders they go over to Bismarck so he can read Lutgens orders for Operation Rheinübung. He makes it perfectly clear he intends to carry out those orders to the letter. He also formally states all standing orders of the Vice Admiral will stay in place. Lindeman asks Brinkmann when he will break his “command pennant” on Bismarck. Brinkmann replies “I have complete confidence in you as Captain of Bismarck. Unfortuneatly my Executive Officer has been showing some strange behavior since the Denmark Straight battle. I think it best to stay aboard The Prince and support him during his transition to command. The Prince has plenty of room so I will have the staff transferred before we sail. He turns to Ruckteschell, “How much longer to fill our bunkers.” Ruckteschell replies “We will be done by 0330.” Brinkmann replies “So be it, not a minute later. I want to be as far from this place as possible by daylight.” “ Kapitan zur See Helmuth von Ruckteschell send in a yoeman, I must compose a short report of for our masters.” Brinkmann dictates a three paragraph message to include with the Vice Admirals report stating he bald facts of what happened, he took command and would carry out Operation Rheinübung to the best of his ability and he had every confidence of success. Also his condolences to Lindemann’s family. At that Brinkmann & Lindemann hurry over to Bismarck. The Vice Admiral C of Staff is waiting in the flag space with the orders and other documents Brinkmann needs. The staff is busy packing up everythimng to transfer to The Prince. It will be tight but it will be done. Brikmann orders the Flag Lt. To move all of Lutgen’s personal poseesions to Weissenburg and then join him aboard The Prince. 28 MAY 1941 0340 Bismarck with The Prince leading ,heads for the mouth of Kangerluarsunnguaq Fjord conned by the Greenland Nazi sympathetic fishermen/pilots. 28 MAY 1941 0420 The Brinkmann TG clears Kangerluarsunnguaq Fjord , course SE and a rendezvou with as many Tommy Convoys as he has fuel and ammunition for. Why not? They had defeated the mighty Hood, badly damaged and driven off Prince of Whales. HIS TG had also slaughters the cruisers and destroyers sent to kill them with ease and suffered only very minor damage. He knew he was a much better leader and a much smarter sailor than poor Lutgens. In his present mood ALL THINGS WERE POSSIBLE. He sardonically laughed aloud when he said to his new Chief of Staff “I guess God really is on the Fuhrers side.” Then he turned serious. “Now to work, find me a large, ripe Tommy convoy.”
30 May 1941 POW Antelope and Electra arrives in Rosyth. 30 MAY '42 0730 USS Brooklyn CL-40 morning Curtiss SOC Seagull scout is spotted first by Bismarck's Arado Ar 196. At contact the Arado Ar 196 was above the Seagul and in the sun. The German pilot imediately dived for the Seagul in a blow through attcak. His two wing mounted 20mm auto canons and one forward firing 7.92 MG ripped through the tail and after cockpit of the SOC killing the Observer. The shaken and wounded Seagul pilot 's transmitted an aircraft sighting report but is killed before he could transmit his posit. The brief transmission was picked up by two only two ships in Hewitt's force, Brooklyn and Dunlap's DD-384. The incomplete sighting report gives him a first proof a German capital ship is in the area. No firm Datum, No course and speed, no confirmation of which ship or ships it is but he and Lee are very sure it is Bismarck/and or The Prince. They knew something else, based on an estimate the Seagull's last posit HX-123 was between TG 39.1 and the German Force. 30 MAY'42 0745, despite marginally acceptable flying conditions and sea state Hewitt orders Lee to launch a recon SOC to the last estimated position of the downed Seagull. Lee selected LT Stryker OIC of his Air Det and his observer Chief Craig on this very dangerous but vital mission because they would do the job no matter what the odds. LT Stryker was also the nephew of CMDR Joe Stryker, BB-55's Executive Officer. He informed both men what happend to the CA-40's aircraft. Pilot was ordered to conduct a sector search and if successful to take whatecer action he deemed neccessary to ensure his sighting report is acknowledged by Hewitt's TG. He was then to shadow the German force signalling posit, course and speed changes. Lee agin thanked God for Hewitt because the man had the iron to order a couple of good young men to their death. Also because Hewitt was taking a big chance, by breaking radio silence, Lutgens would pick up the acknoldgement and know the Seagull's home was a USN capital ship and atleast it's bearing from Bismarck. 30 MAY'42 0955 2nd scout reaches last position of Brooklyn's aircraft and begins sector search to the North West . 30 MAY'42 1240 Stryker and Craig spot The Prince steaming SOUTH WEST at 19 kts and imediately transmit sighting report which is not recieved by TG 39.1 30 MAY'42 1243 Stryker orders Chief Craig to keep sending that "Fvcking signal until he gets an acknowledgement" and then takes the SOC into a cloud bank. For the next half hour Stryker skips in and out of the clouds, varifying The Prince's Course and speed and avoiding another Arado Ar 196. 30 MAY'42 1313 Chief Craig recieves TG 39.1 acknowledgement of the sighting report. Actually BB-55 had transmitted it's first acknowledgment at 1250. Hewitt authorized further transmissions at 1255, 1305 and 1310.
Looking good Senior Chief.
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Post by 575 on Jun 7, 2022 8:01:08 GMT
A lot of interesting background, very nice work. So cats out of the bag and Germany have forced the USA into the war!
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Post by oscssw on Jun 7, 2022 13:52:45 GMT
A lot of interesting background, very nice work. So cats out of the bag and Germany have forced the USA into the war! Thanks for the compliment 575. It is more than enough to know I am keeping you amused!
As far as getting the US into war with Germany in my ATL, not quite yet.
In the OTL the US people and most of the Scumbag Pols were still rabidly ISOLATIONIST. So much so that USS Greer (DD-145) was attacked on September 4, 1941, by German U-boat, U-652, while she was tracking the sub SE of Iceland. Though the Can was not damaged in the attack, Greer's depth charges damaged U-652. The attack led President Franklin D. Roosevelt to issue his "shoot-on-sight" order, directing the U.S. Navy to attack any ship threatening U.S. shipping or foreign shipping under escort. I might fudge the dates and use this to cover Admiral Hewitt when he engages? Got to think about that
The U.S. Navy oiler, USS Salinas (AO-19) was torpedoed off Newfoundland on September 30, 1941, by German U-boat, U-106. Without loss of life to Salinas' crew, the vessel returned to New York for repairs. In August 1943, U-106 was sunk off Spain by British and Australian Sutherland aircraft.
German U-boat, U-568, torpedoed and damaged USS Kearny (DD-432) on October 17, 1941, near Iceland, resulting in 11 killed and 22 injured SAILORS. In May 1942, U-568 was sunk by depth charges dropped by Royal Navy destroyer HMS Hero and destroyer escorts HMS Eridge and HMS Hurworth.
On October 31, 1941, German U-boat, U-552, sank USS Reuben James (DD-245), which was escorting Convoy HX 156, with a loss of 115 lives of US SAILORS . Reuben James was the first U.S. Navy ship lost to enemy action during World War II. During her service, U-552 sank 30 Allied vessels. She was scuttled by the Germans on May 5, 1945.
The first action between the U.S. and German navies occured on April 10, 1941, when USS Niblack (DD-424) neared the Icelandic coast to pick-up three boatloads of survivors from the Dutch freighter Saleier, which was sunk the previous day. When a submarine was detected preparing to attack, the division commander, Commander D.L. Ryan, ordered a depth charge attack, driving off the U-boat. . My very favorite USN Neutrality Patrol incident took place near the Equator. USS Omaha (CL-4) and USS Somer (DD-381) intercepted the German blockade runner Odenwald on November 4, 1941, disguised as U.S. freighter and boarded her after the German crew abandoned the ship. They brought the ship to San Juan, Puerto Rico, where the boarding party was awarded salvage shares. Of note, this award was the last prize money awarded by the U.S. Navy.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 7, 2022 14:36:22 GMT
A lot of interesting background, very nice work. So cats out of the bag and Germany have forced the USA into the war! Thanks for the compliment 575. It is more than enough to know I am keeping you amused!
As far as getting the US into war with Germany in my ATL, not quite yet.
In the OTL the US people and most of the Scumbag Pols were still rabidly ISOLATIONIST. So much so that USS Greer (DD-145) was attacked on September 4, 1941, by German U-boat, U-652, while she was tracking the sub SE of Iceland. Though the Can was not damaged in the attack, Greer's depth charges damaged U-652. The attack led President Franklin D. Roosevelt to issue his "shoot-on-sight" order, directing the U.S. Navy to attack any ship threatening U.S. shipping or foreign shipping under escort. I might fudge the dates and use this to cover Admiral Hewitt when he engages? Got to think about that
The U.S. Navy oiler, USS Salinas (AO-19) was torpedoed off Newfoundland on September 30, 1941, by German U-boat, U-106. Without loss of life to Salinas' crew, the vessel returned to New York for repairs. In August 1943, U-106 was sunk off Spain by British and Australian Sutherland aircraft.
German U-boat, U-568, torpedoed and damaged USS Kearny (DD-432) on October 17, 1941, near Iceland, resulting in 11 killed and 22 injured SAILORS. In May 1942, U-568 was sunk by depth charges dropped by Royal Navy destroyer HMS Hero and destroyer escorts HMS Eridge and HMS Hurworth.
On October 31, 1941, German U-boat, U-552, sank USS Reuben James (DD-245), which was escorting Convoy HX 156, with a loss of 115 lives of US SAILORS . Reuben James was the first U.S. Navy ship lost to enemy action during World War II. During her service, U-552 sank 30 Allied vessels. She was scuttled by the Germans on May 5, 1945.
The first action between the U.S. and German navies occured on April 10, 1941, when USS Niblack (DD-424) neared the Icelandic coast to pick-up three boatloads of survivors from the Dutch freighter Saleier, which was sunk the previous day. When a submarine was detected preparing to attack, the division commander, Commander D.L. Ryan, ordered a depth charge attack, driving off the U-boat. . My very favorite USN Neutrality Patrol incident took place near the Equator. USS Omaha (CL-4) and USS Somer (DD-381) intercepted the German blockade runner Odenwald on November 4, 1941, disguised as U.S. freighter and boarded her after the German crew abandoned the ship. They brought the ship to San Juan, Puerto Rico, where the boarding party was awarded salvage shares. Of note, this award was the last prize money awarded by the U.S. Navy. Wait a BB versus BB is not enough to get the United States into a war ore must we wait 6 months before a certain other country attacks and sinks a couple of BBs before the United States enters into war.
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Post by oscssw on Jun 7, 2022 17:15:52 GMT
Thanks for the compliment 575. It is more than enough to know I am keeping you amused!
As far as getting the US into war with Germany in my ATL, not quite yet.
In the OTL the US people and most of the Scumbag Pols were still rabidly ISOLATIONIST. So much so that USS Greer (DD-145) was attacked on September 4, 1941, by German U-boat, U-652, while she was tracking the sub SE of Iceland. Though the Can was not damaged in the attack, Greer's depth charges damaged U-652. The attack led President Franklin D. Roosevelt to issue his "shoot-on-sight" order, directing the U.S. Navy to attack any ship threatening U.S. shipping or foreign shipping under escort. I might fudge the dates and use this to cover Admiral Hewitt when he engages? Got to think about that
The U.S. Navy oiler, USS Salinas (AO-19) was torpedoed off Newfoundland on September 30, 1941, by German U-boat, U-106. Without loss of life to Salinas' crew, the vessel returned to New York for repairs. In August 1943, U-106 was sunk off Spain by British and Australian Sutherland aircraft.
German U-boat, U-568, torpedoed and damaged USS Kearny (DD-432) on October 17, 1941, near Iceland, resulting in 11 killed and 22 injured SAILORS. In May 1942, U-568 was sunk by depth charges dropped by Royal Navy destroyer HMS Hero and destroyer escorts HMS Eridge and HMS Hurworth.
On October 31, 1941, German U-boat, U-552, sank USS Reuben James (DD-245), which was escorting Convoy HX 156, with a loss of 115 lives of US SAILORS . Reuben James was the first U.S. Navy ship lost to enemy action during World War II. During her service, U-552 sank 30 Allied vessels. She was scuttled by the Germans on May 5, 1945.
The first action between the U.S. and German navies occured on April 10, 1941, when USS Niblack (DD-424) neared the Icelandic coast to pick-up three boatloads of survivors from the Dutch freighter Saleier, which was sunk the previous day. When a submarine was detected preparing to attack, the division commander, Commander D.L. Ryan, ordered a depth charge attack, driving off the U-boat. . My very favorite USN Neutrality Patrol incident took place near the Equator. USS Omaha (CL-4) and USS Somer (DD-381) intercepted the German blockade runner Odenwald on November 4, 1941, disguised as U.S. freighter and boarded her after the German crew abandoned the ship. They brought the ship to San Juan, Puerto Rico, where the boarding party was awarded salvage shares. Of note, this award was the last prize money awarded by the U.S. Navy. Wait a BB versus BB is not enough to get the United States into a war ore must we wait 6 months before a certain other country attacks and sinks a couple of BBs before the United States enters into war. Well The Rock, my friend only time will tell. One thing is for sure; this first ATL will end when the Convoy, or what is left of it, reaches Liverpool. I do not intend this one ATL to be my life's work.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 7, 2022 17:18:26 GMT
Wait a BB versus BB is not enough to get the United States into a war ore must we wait 6 months before a certain other country attacks and sinks a couple of BBs before the United States enters into war. Well The Rock, my friend only time will tell. One thing is for sure; this first ATL will end when the Convoy, or what is left of it, reaches Liverpool. I do not intend this one ATL to be my life's work. Well it does give us a lot to talk about, you started the fire with this TL, its up to the members to keep it lighted if they want to.
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Post by oscssw on Jun 8, 2022 1:05:58 GMT
Well The Rock, my friend only time will tell. One thing is for sure; this first ATL will end when the Convoy, or what is left of it, reaches Liverpool. I do not intend this one ATL to be my life's work. Well it does give us a lot to talk about, you started the fire with this TL, its up to the members to keep it lighted if they want to. Works for me. When I finish this ATL I will gladly revert to enjoying other folks imagination and contributing where and when I can based on my knowledge or interest in a subject. That requires a hell of a lot less "Prep" work than does writing ATLs.
I must confess I do have another ATL idea. Benedict Arnold marring Betsy Deblois of RI instead of Peggy Shippen of Philadelphia and the congress treating him fairly. Got to confess when I look at what that man did & suffered for My Nation, the good far outweighs the bad. Tough ethical dilemma when dealing with a traitor eh? I am particularly intrigued by his friendship and wholehearted support of G. Washington. When you think about the people G. Washington picked for key posts and assignments it begs the question was he really taken in by a scoundrel (I doubt it) or are we looking a flawed man, like the rest of us, capable of great things and sacrifices who was so cruelly treated by political wh0res he cracked? You can bet Valcour island would play a huge part in any ATL I write. That is a Sea story for another time.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 8, 2022 3:53:24 GMT
Well it does give us a lot to talk about, you started the fire with this TL, its up to the members to keep it lighted if they want to. Works for me. When I finish this ATL I will gladly revert to enjoying other folks imagination and contributing where and when I can based on my knowledge or interest in a subject. That requires a hell of a lot less "Prep" work than does writing ATLs.
I must confess I do have another ATL idea. Benedict Arnold marring Betsy Deblois of RI instead of Peggy Shippen of Philadelphia and the congress treating him fairly.
Benedict Arnold doing good. Well if he goes good a balance has to be maintain, America needs a great traitor.
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Post by oscssw on Jun 8, 2022 13:23:35 GMT
Works for me. When I finish this ATL I will gladly revert to enjoying other folks imagination and contributing where and when I can based on my knowledge or interest in a subject. That requires a hell of a lot less "Prep" work than does writing ATLs.
I must confess I do have another ATL idea. Benedict Arnold marring Betsy Deblois of RI instead of Peggy Shippen of Philadelphia and the congress treating him fairly.
Benedict Arnold doing good. Well if he goes good a balance has to be maintain, America needs a great traitor. Not really The Rock my friend. We have more than enough NOW and (have had since the Nam Anti War Movement) None of them fit to carry Benedict Arnold's sweaty athletic supporter although some of them would be delighted to do so.
Enough said!
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