Post by SinghSong on Apr 1, 2022 15:55:48 GMT
IOTL, the Kingdom of Chimor, aka Chimú Empire, arose about 900CE to succeed the Moche culture, having been founded (along with its capital city of Chan Chan in 850CE, the largest city of the pre-Columbian era in South America, with an estimated population of 40-60k at its peak) by a 'foreign noble' named Taycanamo who arrived in the Moche Valley, having disembarked from a balsa log raft like those from far northern Peru and southern Ecuador (around the same time when we now know, through genetic evidence, that Native Americans from that region did travel with Polynesians back and forth to Rapa Nui), and claiming to have been 'sent by a great lord from across the sea' (thus making it OTL's most plausible candidate to have technically been an example of the Polynesians having colonized America IOTL, albeit only in an imperialistic sense, akin to that of the Phillipines by the Tamils a la the Rajahnate of Cebu). For a year he remained sequestered in his house, practicing rituals and learning the local language. Gaining prestige and respect, Taycanamo was given local women for wives, was given the title 'Chimor Capac', and established the Chimor dynasty.
The Chimú Empire then subsequently expanded to include a large area and many different ethnic groups, with evidence indicating that the first valleys joined forces willingly, but that the Sican culture was assimilated through conquest. At its peak, the Chimú Empire advanced along the limits of the desert coast up to the valley of the Jequetepeque River in the north, and to the south, they expanded as far as Carabayllo, with their expansion southward at their apogee having been stopped by the military power of the Ishma Kingdom (but appearing to having greatly weakened the Ishma, enough to enable the Inca Empire to subsequently invade and conquer them for itself virtually unopposed); and inland, the Cuismanco Kingdom was their ally.
But as the Inca Empire expanded, they were unable to consolidate their conquests, and driven back- and during the period between 1463 and 1471, both were conquered from the north via Quito by the invading Incas in the Chimor-Inca War, with the Inca Empire successfully completing said conquest and removing the only serious contender to its dominion and imperial might, fifty years before the arrival of the Spanish in the region.
So, then, what do you feel would be the best case scenario for the Chimu Empire, and the Polynesian semi-colonization of the Americas? Would it be possible for them to avert being conquered by the Inca Empire, and remain a powerful empire and rival to the Incas at least long enough for the Spanish to arrive (perhaps if they'd successfully managed to consolidate their southern conquests, and succeeded in their own attempts to conquer the Ishma Kingdom and the Lima region before the Inca could)? With any Spanish Conquistadors likely forced to employ an MO akin to that employed in the conquest of the Aztecs, whose side would the Spanish have been likelier to take? And with both Empires already prepared for war, and far more wary of outsiders, might either of them, or potentially both, have rebutted or repelled the Conquistadors ITTL, preventing (or at least significantly delaying, to a similar or greater extent than the Chichimekas did in the 40yr long Chichimeca War) the Spanish conquest of Peru? How great an impact might the butterflies generated by the Chimu Empire's continued existence have upon the course of world history?
The Chimú Empire then subsequently expanded to include a large area and many different ethnic groups, with evidence indicating that the first valleys joined forces willingly, but that the Sican culture was assimilated through conquest. At its peak, the Chimú Empire advanced along the limits of the desert coast up to the valley of the Jequetepeque River in the north, and to the south, they expanded as far as Carabayllo, with their expansion southward at their apogee having been stopped by the military power of the Ishma Kingdom (but appearing to having greatly weakened the Ishma, enough to enable the Inca Empire to subsequently invade and conquer them for itself virtually unopposed); and inland, the Cuismanco Kingdom was their ally.
But as the Inca Empire expanded, they were unable to consolidate their conquests, and driven back- and during the period between 1463 and 1471, both were conquered from the north via Quito by the invading Incas in the Chimor-Inca War, with the Inca Empire successfully completing said conquest and removing the only serious contender to its dominion and imperial might, fifty years before the arrival of the Spanish in the region.
So, then, what do you feel would be the best case scenario for the Chimu Empire, and the Polynesian semi-colonization of the Americas? Would it be possible for them to avert being conquered by the Inca Empire, and remain a powerful empire and rival to the Incas at least long enough for the Spanish to arrive (perhaps if they'd successfully managed to consolidate their southern conquests, and succeeded in their own attempts to conquer the Ishma Kingdom and the Lima region before the Inca could)? With any Spanish Conquistadors likely forced to employ an MO akin to that employed in the conquest of the Aztecs, whose side would the Spanish have been likelier to take? And with both Empires already prepared for war, and far more wary of outsiders, might either of them, or potentially both, have rebutted or repelled the Conquistadors ITTL, preventing (or at least significantly delaying, to a similar or greater extent than the Chichimekas did in the 40yr long Chichimeca War) the Spanish conquest of Peru? How great an impact might the butterflies generated by the Chimu Empire's continued existence have upon the course of world history?