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Post by michelvan on Feb 19, 2022 21:54:27 GMT
are we going to see the ICC or kinda in 2001? what a ICC ? |
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Post by 575 on Feb 20, 2022 8:36:00 GMT
are we going to see the ICC or kinda in 2001? what a ICC ? Sorry my bad  - ISS International Space Station |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 20, 2022 8:38:38 GMT
Sorry my bad  - ISS International Space Station Think, but that is many years away, that many countries might end up having their own none International Space Stations, but i could be wrong. |
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Post by michelvan on Feb 20, 2022 9:18:32 GMT
Sorry my bad - ISS International Space Station Think, but that is many years away, that many countries might end up having their own none International Space Stations, but i could be wrong. Wait and see for upcoming parts |
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Post by michelvan on Feb 20, 2022 10:08:43 GMT
3 - The Ministry of General Machine-Building Industry of USSR
The launch of Sputnik in 1957 started the Space Race between USA and USSR.
Four years later the Soviet launch first human into Space and back alive, with Yuri Gagarin became a new kind of Hero !
The American try to follow with Suborbital Mercury flights, but With Gherman Titov one day in space
Making the US flights ridiculously trivial, in 1962 the first Mercury went into Orbit with John Glenn.
After Brezhnev incident and failed Cuba Invasion and success of Soviet in space, got J.F.Kennedy be under pressure to take action,
So on May 25, he held the famous "We choose go to the Moon" speech starting the Moon Race.
At first Nikita Khrushchev believed this was some kind of joke.
But his son and Sergei Korolev make very clear that Americans ar serious and able to put a man on Moon!
So Khrushchev demanded a counter program to put a Soviet on Moon, but here the Problems startet.
While USA had the military USAF and civilian NASA for such program,
Was the soviet space flight activity, let us say chaotic:
Next Rivalry between the Soviet design bureaus, who fight for lucrative contracts at any cost.
Was also rivalry between Air Force and Strategic Rocket Force over Manned space flights vs only ICBM.
Nikita Khrushchev was well informed by his son about this Mess.
So began the Politburo to centralise the soviet space flight activity under a new Ministry.
That coordinate the civilian and military spaceflight program, while Strategic Rocket Force keep control over their missiles.
The Ministry would become responsible for developing the new launch vehicles, ballistic missiles and payloads for the military and civilian applications.
Also Cooperate the new Ministry with the Fourth Scientific Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense, Agat, and NII Khimash, TsNIIMASH and NIITI.
Georgiy A. Tyulin was chosen as the head of the new Ministry called:
"Ministry of General Machine-Building Industry of USSR" Министерство общего машиностроения СССР (MoM for short)
This name was chosen to fool foreign secret services.
MoM started evaluation of current running programs planned and proposed concepts.
The Moon program L-1 and L-3 were put on priority,
Development of Space Probe for Moon, Mars, Venus and beyond
Study for manned orbital station as next steps
Study for moon base and manned interplanetary travel as such was considered a long-term with low priority for moment.
But not all were happy with new situation, like Gluchko who keep his OKB-456 independent under protection of Strategic Rocket Force.
The other was Chelomei OKB-52 who saw allot of his program getting cancelled by MoM
Like the UR-500 heavy ICBM victim of V-SALT , L-1 lunar flyby, Kosmoplan and others
It was Chelomei own fault, who aggressively promoted his proposals with defamation about his Rivals, also his Arrogant way was not helpful in this.
Also was Tyulin in Clinch with marshal Nedelin, how insisted that only Yangel OKB-586 build ICBM for Strategic Rocket Force,
with engines build by Gluchko.
So started the Moonrace
Sidenote:
The UR-500 was project for a Heavy ICBM that delivers a 100 mega ton H-bomb, tested as the Tsar-bomba
But events of 1961 and the Voluntary Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty (V-SALT) terminated the Tsar and Heavy ICBM program.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 20, 2022 10:30:57 GMT
" Ministry of General Machine-Building Industry of USSR" Министерство общего машиностроения СССР (MoM for short) At first i toughed, you made the name up, then i googled it and discovered, it really existed, you learn something new each day. |
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Post by michelvan on Feb 20, 2022 13:27:53 GMT
At first i toughed, you made the name up, then i googled it and discovered, it really existed, you learn something new each day. Important rule for Alternate History writer: Do solid background study for your TL For this one i read dozens of PDF on Proposals and space flight Web pages in total I read over 2400 pages on documentations |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 20, 2022 13:31:27 GMT
At first i toughed, you made the name up, then i googled it and discovered, it really existed, you learn something new each day. Important rule for Alternate History writer: Do solid background study for your TL For this one i read dozens of PDF on Proposals and space flight Web pages in total I read over 2400 pages on documentations At least the Soviets could have toughed of a cooler name than, Ministry of General Machine-Building Industry of USSR. |
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Post by michelvan on Feb 20, 2022 13:40:05 GMT
At least the Soviets could have toughed of a cooler name than, Ministry of General Machine-Building Industry of USSR. They could called it "The Ministry of Space"  but then would the CIA, MI5, SDECE, BND, Kempeitai and unknown Chinese agency stampeding the ministry... |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 20, 2022 13:49:43 GMT
At least the Soviets could have toughed of a cooler name than, Ministry of General Machine-Building Industry of USSR. They could called it "The Soviet Ministry of Space" but then would the CIA, MI5, SDECE, BND, Kempeitai and unknown Chinese agency stampeding the ministry... A yes, that makes sense, at least they did not call it the Ministry of Toy production of USSR as a cover up name. |
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Post by 575 on Feb 20, 2022 14:00:30 GMT
At first i toughed, you made the name up, then i googled it and discovered, it really existed, you learn something new each day. Important rule for Alternate History writer: Do solid background study for your TL For this one i read dozens of PDF on Proposals and space flight Web pages in total I read over 2400 pages on documentations Very much so - there's so much to check up on and then stuff doesn't always go the ways you expected.. tried it a few times..  |
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Post by michelvan on Feb 21, 2022 17:56:30 GMT
4- Mercury-Gemini vs Vostok-Voskhod
The Soviet beat the USA with sending Yuri Gagarin into Space in 1961.
24 days later, American Alan Shepard made Suborbital flight on Mercury-Redstone
Original all Seven NASA Astronauts had to do a Suborbital flight, bevor Orbit flights.
But the one day in space of Gherman Titov in Vostok 2, made those plans obsoleted.
NASA needed 10 months to launch Mercury-Atlas, with John Glenn on board.
While NASA try to catch up the Success of Titov flight by prolonging each Mercury flight,
The Soviet broke another Records with launch of Vostok 3 and 4 the first simultaneous mission in Space !
But the Mercury hardware was not reliable, the last flight with Mercury-9 show that clearly.
After 34 hours in space most of systems show problems and issue, that Gordon Cooper used manual override for return.
While Vostok 5 stay four days in space, follow by Vostok 6 with first Woman in space: Valentina Tereshkova.
NASA abandon Mercury and went for Gemini program a 2 men Capsule for testing various technology for Apollo program.
in USSR Nikita Khrushchev demanded form MoM to beat the USA by sending 3 cosmonauts in Vostok capsule !
Original were 13 Vostok Mission planned, now canceled by Khrushchev with order of new program
Minister Tyulin was not happy, either Korolev and Sergei Khrushchev to manage this demand.
The Vostok spacecraft had the crew rescue system removed, in case launch failure the crew had not a chance !
The new Craft was called Voskhod to fool USA thinking the Soviet had their version of Gemini.
On 12 october 1964 Voskhod-1 was launch with V. Komarov, K. Feoktistov and B. Yegorov for one day mission.
Final the NASA could launch Gemini 3 into orbit, but before Gemini 4 in June could do a Spacewalk
The Soviets made this with Voskhod-2 on 18 march 1965 were Alexei Leonov made the first Spacewalk
But the USA catch up with Gemini 5 seven days mission,
or first rendezvous in Space between Gemini 6 and 7 What stay 14 days in space.
Khrushchev demanded to counter that with other Voskhod missions
Voskhod-3 was 10 day mission with two Women Valentina Ponomaryova and Irina Solovyova
Voskhod-4 had to be a 20 day solo mission for Ivan Anikeyev in 1966.
His launch went wrong as on booster separation, one of them hit the core stage and destroy the rocket
Lucky for Anikeyev the Capsule was 50 km high and landed save 400 km from launch site.
Tyulin order the immediate end of the Voskhod and focus full on Soyuz program,
in dispute with Nikita Khrushchev he answer angry:
Do you want as first record also Dead Cosmonauts ?
In mean time NASA notice that Voskhod show same inflexibly like Vostok, no change of orbit, no rendezvous.
while the Gemini were first completely spacecraft able to do those things.
we're the USA now ahead in Space Race ?
Sidenote
MoM = Ministry of General Machine-Building Industry of USSR aka Soviet ministry of Space
do the failure Voskhod-4 was never a official mission and not mention for around 50 years in USSR
how accident happen
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Post by lordroel on Feb 21, 2022 19:18:14 GMT
4- Mercury-Gemini vs Vostok-Voskhod The Soviet beat the USA with sending Yuri Gagarin into Space in 1961. 24 days later, American Alan Shepard made Suborbital flight on Mercury-Redstone Original all Seven NASA Astronauts had to do a Suborbital flight, bevor Orbit flights. But the one day in space of Gherman Titov in Vostok 2, made those plans obsoleted. NASA needed 10 months to launch Mercury-Atlas, with John Glenn on board. While NASA try to catch up the Success of Titov flight by prolonging each Mercury flight, The Soviet broke another Records with launch of Vostok 3 and 4 the first simultaneous mission in Space ! But the Mercury hardware was not reliable, the last flight with Mercury-9 show that clearly. After 34 hours in space most of systems show problems and issue, that Gordon Cooper used manual override for return. While Vostok 5 stay four days in space, follow by Vostok 6 with first Woman in space: Valentina Tereshkova. NASA abandon Mercury and went for Gemini program a 2 men Capsule for testing various technology for Apollo program. in USSR Nikita Khrushchev demanded form MoM to beat the USA by sending 3 cosmonauts in Vostok capsule ! Original were 13 Vostok Mission planned, now canceled by Khrushchev with order of new program Minister Tyulin was not happy, either Korolev and Sergei Khrushchev to manage this demand. The Vostok spacecraft had the crew rescue system removed, in case launch failure the crew had not a chance ! The new Craft was called Voskhod to fool USA thinking the Soviet had their version of Gemini. On 12 october 1964 Voskhod-1 was launch with V. Komarov, K. Feoktistov and B. Yegorov for one day mission. Final the NASA could launch Gemini 3 into orbit, but before Gemini 4 in June could do a Spacewalk The Soviets made this with Voskhod-2 on 18 march 1965 were Alexei Leonov made the first Spacewalk But the USA catch up with Gemini 5 seven days mission, or first rendezvous in Space between Gemini 6 and 7 What stay 14 days in space. Khrushchev demanded to counter that with other Voskhod missions Voskhod-3 was 10 day mission with two Women Valentina Ponomaryova and Irina Solovyova Voskhod-4 had to be a 20 day solo mission for Ivan Anikeyev in 1966. His launch went wrong as on booster separation, one of them hit the core stage and destroy the rocket Lucky for Anikeyev the Capsule was 50 km high and landed save 400 km from launch site. Tyulin order the immediate end of the Voskhod and focus full on Soyuz program, in dispute with Nikita Khrushchev he answer angry: Do you want as first record also Dead Cosmonauts ?In mean time NASA notice that Voskhod show same inflexibly like Vostok, no change of orbit, no rendezvous. while the Gemini were first completely spacecraft able to do those things. we're the USA now ahead in Space Race ? Sidenote MoM = Ministry of General Machine-Building Industry of USSR aka Soviet ministry of Space do the failure Voskhod-4 was never a official mission and not mention for around 50 years in USSR And the race in Space has begun. |
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Post by michelvan on Feb 22, 2022 16:43:49 GMT
5 - Kosygin's Rise (1953-1971) ...despite Alexander Kosygin losing his seat to the Politburo in mid 1952, because of stalinist reactionaries. Being a staunch ally of Khrushchev, his political career soon turned around for the better. Although he was never one of Khrushchev's protégés, Kosygin quickly moved up the CPSU party ladder. By the time of the Sputnik 1 and 2 satellite launches in late 1957 he had already become an official of the State Planning Commitee and was made a candidate member of the Politburo. By 1960 Kosygin was promoted to the State Planning Commitee chairmanship and became Khrushchev's First Deputy Premier. This changed his life significantly because as First Deputy Premier Kosygin traveled around the world, mostly on trade missions, to countries such as North Korea, India, Argentina and Italy. As Gagarin and Titov where orbiting the world, Kosygin was rewarded with his old seat in the Politburo during the 22nd Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Just a year later he was already the Soviet spokesman for improved relations between the Soviet Union and the United States. Then Kosygin play important role in "The Turmoil of 64". By 1964 Khrushchev was consider unfit to rule by Communist Hard-liners and Stalinist in the Politburo, do his reform actions There effort was doomed from beginning to two decisive factors: Back on February 23rd 1961 the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet, Lenoid Brezhnev died after his diplomatic plane was shot down over Algeria. (what is commonly referred as the Brezhnev incident.) After that Khrushchev appointed Anastas Mikoyan to the position. Who now protected Khrushchev together with Kosygin and Nikolai Podgorny Also the Powerful Minister of Defence Rodion Malinovsky, a personal Friend of Khrushchev, supported him with Red Army against the Hard-liners And the Hard-liners had no the right candidate due to old age. But Khrushchev face also criticism from his Friends and allies like Nikolai Podgorny, Mikoyan, Podgorny, Kosygin and Malinovsky was able to influence Khrushchev to rethink some of his crazy ideas and proposals. Kosygin influence was responsible for a series of successful economic reform that led to the improvement of living standard for the Soviet people. Unlike some Stalinist Deviants claim, he was not acting as a revisionist, but simply applying Marxism-Leninism in a unique and creative way. His democratic succession on Khrushchev as Premier and General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) in 1971. and policies enacted strengthend socialism through Market forces, rather than reviving Capitalism as counter-revolutionary stalinist and bourgeois elements have claimed. The thriving Socialist Market Economy of our motherland that exists to this day is a testament to Khrushchev and Kosygin's early work in this period... Except from Chapter 2: Red Rise - Alexei Nikolayevich Kosygin: A Short Biography, by The Institute of Marxism-Leninism, CPSU Central Committee © 2006
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Post by lordroel on Feb 22, 2022 18:34:44 GMT
5 - Kosygin's Rise (1953-1971)...despite Alexander Kosygin losing his seat to the Politburo in mid 1952, because of stalinist reactionaries. Being a staunch ally of Khrushchev, his political career soon turned around for the better. Although he was never one of Khrushchev's protégés, Kosygin quickly moved up the CPSU party ladder. By the time of the Sputnik 1 and 2 satellite launches in late 1957 he had already become an official of the State Planning Commitee and was made a candidate member of the Politburo. By 1960 Kosygin was promoted to the State Planning Commitee chairmanship and became Khrushchev's First Deputy Premier. This changed his life significantly because as First Deputy Premier Kosygin traveled around the world, mostly on trade missions, to countries such as North Korea, India, Argentina and Italy. As Gagarin and Titov where orbiting the world, Kosygin was able to regain his old seat in the Politburo during the 22nd Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Just a year later he was already the Soviet spokesman for improved relations between the Soviet Union and the United States. In 1964 Kosygin acheived a major political success. Back on February 23rd 1961 the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet, Lenoid Brezhnev died after his diplomatic plane was shot down over Algeria. (what is commonly referred as the Brezhnev incident.) After that Khrushchev appointed Anastas Mikoyan to the position. However by 1964 the Mikoyan to retired from his seat in the Politburo due to old age. As Alexei Kosygin in turn, took his place on July 15th 1964. His influence was responsible for a series of successful economic reform that led to the improvement of living standard for the Soviet people. He was able to influence Khrushchev to rethink some of his crazy ideas and proposals. Unlike some Stalinist Deviants claim, he was not acting as a revisionist, but simply applying Marxism-Leninism in a unique and creative way. His democratic succession on Khrushchev as Premier and General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) in 1971. and policies enacted strengthend socialism through Market forces rather than reviving Capitalism as counter-revolutionary stalinist and bourgeois elements have claimed. The thriving Socialist Market Economy of our motherland that exists to this day is a testament to Khrushchev and Kosygin's early work in this period... Except from Chapter 2: Red Rise - Alexei Nikolayevich Kosygin: A Short Biography, by The Institute of Marxism-Leninism, CPSU Central Committee © 2006 So the Soviet Union has a new leader. |
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