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Post by stevep on Nov 24, 2023 14:55:05 GMT
Definitely agree that Nazi Germany is going down fast and possibly very hard. Although without the historical experience of Nazi atrocities it could be difficult for the western powers to accept the lengths needed to deNazify Germany and not sure what the stance of fascist Italy and other right wing states in Europe will be.
The British will be unhappy with the loss of territory but since it removes a difficult problem for them not too greatly so, especially if Israel offers some information and other support. Wonder if this might include the identity of the Soviet spies in Britain? Not sure what will happen to Gaza and the West Bank in this scenario as to whether their brought along or not but that's a question for OK as the originator of the idea.
Israel will offer refuge to any Jews who wish to come - and are allowed by local authorities - and many may welcome the idea given both the promised security and also the advances in technology although more conservative elements might not be happy with social changes in Israel compared to the world they know.
Agree Israel will want to keep a tight control over a lot of technology, especially in nuclear and electronic matters I suspect. However do assorted diplomatic outposts comes along as well as their likely to provide a fair amount of info which would help the 1940 world - at least as far as their willing to accept it. Decolonization in this world could be a longer and bloodier affair without the western powers having been weakened so much.
Well I didn't want to open the can of Worms of bringing back West Bank and Gaza.. Israeli settlers and Palestinians and various organizations.. A British - well "You chaps seems to run things efficiently so agree that the Cis-Jordania controlled by You would be a good way of delineate borders. River lines tend to ease the understanding of parties. Jolly good - free us of wasting troops keeping the peace there - damn troublesome fellas on both sides. Gaza? fine we'll throw that in too! Now off You go, see we have a kinda major war running. Radar sets for aircraft - sounds rather good, thank you. Think You'd have a talk with Watson-Watt and Sir Kingsley Wood - one moment I'll have my secretary inform them that You'll be on the way to the Air Ministry." would serve to avert that somewhat. The French may be a little itchy about the Golan Hights.
De-colonization well the British may want to hold onto more and the French in a better position to do so too without needing aid in rebuilding.
Well it makes a huge difference to the scenario if Israel includes the West Bank and Gaza or not. If they do then there are a lot of discontented Palestinians who will find sympathy with down-time Arab states - albeit that their not in a position to make a big difference. Also the assorted settler groups will be present and driving a significant amount of politics inside Israel.
If their not then the vast majority of 2020 Palestinians have disappeared and relatively small numbers are in Gaza and the west bank, although this will also mean Israel has lost the parts of their government they have located in east Jerusalem.
The Golan Heights will be an issue if brought along.but Israel, not facing a threat from Syria could well be willing to abandon the position.
De-colonization is likely to be longer and bloodier because the western powers will be more powerful and also won't have had the social revolution that WWII provoked in many cases to meet the demands of war or because old systems failed badly. More liberal elements might want to do things faster once hearing from the up-timers but many will probably be less willing to give up the perceived power from their colonial empires.
Of course with Germany defeated quickly the far east also changes dramatically. Japan has no real window for seizing colonial territory while reports of its war-time actions are going to make it even more unpopular with the western powers and how they react to the OTL fall of the KMT and victory of the communists in China will raise a lot of questions.
With no eastern front in WWII - other than the invasions of Poland - and news of later events with the USSR, up until its dissolution there will be the issues of how both the USSR and the rest of the world react as well.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Nov 24, 2023 16:32:11 GMT
2020 Switzerland ISOT to January 1939.
How can it help win ww2? Unlike Israel, it's unlikely to actually send troops to fight the Germans but it might send weapons.
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Post by stevep on Nov 24, 2023 23:04:01 GMT
2020 Switzerland ISOT to January 1939. How can it help win ww2? Unlike Israel, it's unlikely to actually send troops to fight the Germans but it might send weapons.
Well the big influence will probably be information about what 'happened' OTL. Going to put the cat among the pigeon's around the world given Germany's actions in 1939-45. You might see an immediate dow on the annexation of the rump Czech state. Sweden being unwilling to trade with Germany. Stalin may or may not sign the R-M pact? Countries like Belgium, the Netherlands and Norway are likely to go on a quick buying spree for any weapons they can get. [Not sure with Denmark given how defenseless it is.  ] What do France and Poland do to seek to avoid their OTL defeats? Does Mussolini decide to keep a much lower profile. How does the US and Japan react around other parts of the world. How does news of Indian independence and the bloodbath that results get handled in Britain and the various parts of India? [Ditto for the situation in Israel/Palestine and a lot of other places]. How many nations start emergency nuclear programmes? Many other nations are likely to change their actions.
Germany will get some up-time support but probably a lot less than for most/all of their rivals given how reviled Nazi fascism is. Plus since a proportion of those supporters passing information would probably be blind fanatics their information could be less than accurate. Plus does news of what happened prompt civil or military unrest inside Germany?
Its all going to be chaotic even if the Swiss take no military actions.
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Post by 575 on Nov 24, 2023 23:14:54 GMT
2020 Switzerland ISOT to January 1939. How can it help win ww2? Unlike Israel, it's unlikely to actually send troops to fight the Germans but it might send weapons.
Well the big influence will probably be information about what 'happened' OTL. Going to put the cat among the pigeon's around the world given Germany's actions in 1939-45. You might see an immediate dow on the annexation of the rump Czech state. Sweden being unwilling to trade with Germany. Stalin may or may not sign the R-M pact? Countries like Belgium, the Netherlands and Norway are likely to go on a quick buying spree for any weapons they can get. [ Not sure with Denmark given how defenseless it is. ] What do France and Poland do to seek to avoid their OTL defeats? Does Mussolini decide to keep a much lower profile. How does the US and Japan react around other parts of the world. How does news of Indian independence and the bloodbath that results get handled in Britain and the various parts of India? [Ditto for the situation in Israel/Palestine and a lot of other places]. How many nations start emergency nuclear programmes? Many other nations are likely to change their actions.
Germany will get some up-time support but probably a lot less than for most/all of their rivals given how reviled Nazi fascism is. Plus since a proportion of those supporters passing information would probably be blind fanatics their information could be less than accurate. Plus does news of what happened prompt civil or military unrest inside Germany?
Its all going to be chaotic even if the Swiss take no military actions.
Thing is it may not need to buy much - prepare bridges for immediate demolition and defend Aalborg by an AA-Battery and an Infantry Battalion will halt the invasion of Norway by air for some time. Also be prepared to defend the Straits and the Mine-barrages. The really difficult matter is the mindset of Danes. Its about being ready to face invasion not just hope for the best or lie low which have worked since 1864.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Nov 25, 2023 16:44:22 GMT
2020 Denmark ISOT to 1864.
Do only I feel that it might have interesting effects on the unification of Germany? With butterflies the Austro Prussian and Franco Prussian war might not happen at all or happen in a very different way.
575, any thoughts on this?
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Post by gillan1220 on Nov 26, 2023 16:10:13 GMT
Dug an old one from 2006 on the other forum: 2006 Philippines to Dec 7th, 19412006 AFP was weak unfortunately. In the ground, the UT AFP can make the Japanese invasion bloody with their M16s and M60s along with light armor, but in the air and the sea, even the UT Philippine Air Force and the UT Philippine Navy are vulnerable to the DT IJA and IJN. Ironic to think in 2006, the Philippine Navy used WWII surplus ships and Cold War donations while in 2006, the PAF uses OV-10 Broncos, AU-76 gunships, and MD-520s, which are not suitable for air combat but good for close air support against Japanese landings in Luzon. Even the two C-130s would be vulnerable against a Zero. ORBAT of the Philippine Navy as of 2006 according to one reply: Even stevep commented on it. |
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Post by 575 on Nov 26, 2023 22:41:05 GMT
Dug an old one from 2006 on the other forum: 2006 Philippines to Dec 7th, 19412006 AFP was weak unfortunately. In the ground, the UT AFP can make the Japanese invasion bloody with their M16s and M60s along with light armor, but in the air and the sea, even the UT Philippine Air Force and the UT Philippine Navy are vulnerable to the DT IJA and IJN. Ironic to think in 2006, the Philippine Navy used WWII surplus ships and Cold War donations while in 2006, the PAF uses OV-10 Broncos, AU-76 gunships, and MD-520s, which are not suitable for air combat but good for close air support against Japanese landings in Luzon. Even the two C-130s would be vulnerable against a Zero. ORBAT of the Philippine Navy as of 2006 according to one reply: Even stevep commented on it. Well the PAF did have something to counter the Zero; as usual peoples forget to look at Trainers.. The SIAI-Marchetti S.211 is faster than the Zero and used as a combat aircraft since the demise of the F-5s. They may only have some what 10-15 but its better than nothing if even just to keep the OV-10 doing their job. The PA with those mobile Miniguns and A-T weapons will be a nasty surprise for the Japanese cutting Infantry down and just peppering everything else as well as taking out Jap tanks.
At least the Philippines know the Japanese plan and with the separation in time of the Japanese landings might have a fighting chance.
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Post by gillan1220 on Nov 27, 2023 3:30:13 GMT
Dug an old one from 2006 on the other forum: 2006 Philippines to Dec 7th, 19412006 AFP was weak unfortunately. In the ground, the UT AFP can make the Japanese invasion bloody with their M16s and M60s along with light armor, but in the air and the sea, even the UT Philippine Air Force and the UT Philippine Navy are vulnerable to the DT IJA and IJN. Ironic to think in 2006, the Philippine Navy used WWII surplus ships and Cold War donations while in 2006, the PAF uses OV-10 Broncos, AU-76 gunships, and MD-520s, which are not suitable for air combat but good for close air support against Japanese landings in Luzon. Even the two C-130s would be vulnerable against a Zero. ORBAT of the Philippine Navy as of 2006 according to one reply: Even stevep commented on it. Well the PAF did have something to counter the Zero; as usual peoples forget to look at Trainers.. The SIAI-Marchetti S.211 is faster than the Zero and used as a combat aircraft since the demise of the F-5s. They may only have some what 10-15 but its better than nothing if even just to keep the OV-10 doing their job. The PA with those mobile Miniguns and A-T weapons will be a nasty surprise for the Japanese cutting Infantry down and just peppering everything else as well as taking out Jap tanks.
At least the Philippines know the Japanese plan and with the separation in time of the Japanese landings might have a fighting chance.
In a similar scenario set in 2011, that's what the Philippine Air Force does. The S-211s have .50 caliber MGs which could tear the Zero apart. Given this map, the Philippine Army and the Marines can set up defensive position in the Batanes, the northeast tip of Luzon, the Bicol Region, and the Gulf of Davao. The U.S. Special Forces (1st SFG if I recall) were in Zamboanga at this period as part of Operation Enduring Freedom - Philippines. They can use their advanced electronics and drones to pinpoint Japanese landing positions. These 250 uptime Green Berets with American nationals and the U.S. Embassy personnel are what represents the future United States. As for the landing in Jolo, the Japanese will be in trouble knowing that area is racked by Islamic terror groups, separatists, and pirates. All which are armed with either M16s, FALs, Galil rifles, Pindad rifles, M-14s, and RPGs. |
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Post by 575 on Nov 27, 2023 11:18:00 GMT
Well the PAF did have something to counter the Zero; as usual peoples forget to look at Trainers.. The SIAI-Marchetti S.211 is faster than the Zero and used as a combat aircraft since the demise of the F-5s. They may only have some what 10-15 but its better than nothing if even just to keep the OV-10 doing their job. The PA with those mobile Miniguns and A-T weapons will be a nasty surprise for the Japanese cutting Infantry down and just peppering everything else as well as taking out Jap tanks.
At least the Philippines know the Japanese plan and with the separation in time of the Japanese landings might have a fighting chance.
In a similar scenario set in 2011, that's what the Philippine Air Force does. The S-211s have .50 caliber MGs which could tear the Zero apart. Given this map, the Philippine Army and the Marines can set up defensive position in the Batanes, the northeast tip of Luzon, the Bicol Region, and the Gulf of Davao. The U.S. Special Forces (1st SFG if I recall) were in Zamboanga at this period as part of Operation Enduring Freedom - Philippines. They can use their advanced electronics and drones to pinpoint Japanese landing positions. These 250 uptime Green Berets with American nationals and the U.S. Embassy personnel are what represents the future United States. As for the landing in Jolo, the Japanese will be in trouble knowing that area is racked by Islamic terror groups, separatists, and pirates. All which are armed with either M16s, FALs, Galil rifles, Pindad rifles, M-14s, and RPGs.  Great minds think alike..
The landing beaches are in reach of Japanese land aircraft from Taiwan and Palau - with a few days respite it will be a question of finding those stored older jets that is the least workhungry for getting airborne in said few days - even a couple or three will count. Vietnam Era or Cold War will be fine if the brick will get into the air keep flying and deliver munitions. Of course they need Pilots too preferably some with experience of said aircraft as each may have its vices. (have a friend who's a former F-104 Pilot - even with its reputation of Flying Coffin he says it was a great aircraft if You were able to handle it) With the F-5 decomissioned they year before both should be a possible - even if just half of the 41 original aircraft (how many was written off during service thime? 10 is mentioned in the second thread - still a help) it will be a tremendous boost to Philippine capabilities as they will be able to hit in the North and East.
Use the knowledge already at hand to prepare defences and have a mobile Group in both Luzon and Mindanao to counter any deviation from OTL - shit may happen.
Use commercial jets to long range patrol - they will outpace the Japanese fighters and fly at too high a level for them but they'll have radar to report on possible incoming. And Yuou'll have Pilots for them! Also airliners CAN be used for more though takes time so will be for post-defeat of invasion force:
Hit the Japanese land airbases with Napalm - cheap easy spare the more specialized fewer munitions for the IJN and hit that Carrier. IJN was fairly notorious for bad damage control! Get the mother burning! The Battleships will be another matter - do the PAF 2006 have laserguided bombs?
Fuel? The NEI is just in the backyard - help the Dutch/Allies and get your share.
The Japanese had some Subs mine Phillippine ports - fortunately PN still had the venerable Malvar Class in service that had hunted Subs during the Cold War - 8 total vessels. It also had 3 Minesweepers - handy just in case. Quite an Amphibious capacity - the USMC might be interested as should the RN. Generally the Navy is too much Guns and too little Capability - not unexpected at the time. We also realized that by now.. The US Asiatic Fleet as related in the 2011 TL might benefit from the Amphibious and supply capability - if they are allowed to stay. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Nov 27, 2023 13:43:20 GMT
The landing beaches are in reach of Japanese land aircraft from Taiwan and Palau - with a few days respite it will be a question of finding those stored older jets that is the least workhungry for getting airborne in said few days - even a couple or three will count. Vietnam Era or Cold War will be fine if the brick will get into the air keep flying and deliver munitions. Of course they need Pilots too preferably some with experience of said aircraft as each may have its vices. (have a friend who's a former F-104 Pilot - even with its reputation of Flying Coffin he says it was a great aircraft if You were able to handle it) With the F-5 decomissioned they year before both should be a possible - even if just half of the 41 original aircraft (how many was written off during service thime? 10 is mentioned in the second thread - still a help) it will be a tremendous boost to Philippine capabilities as they will be able to hit in the North and East.
Use the knowledge already at hand to prepare defences and have a mobile Group in both Luzon and Mindanao to counter any deviation from OTL - shit may happen. I could see the F-5s being restored in the 2006 ISOT but not in the 2011 ISOT. The F-5s were already being chopped-up by 2011. History books will be very useful here. I'm sure libraries and colleges have it, along with the knowledge from surviving WWII veterans in the UT Philippines. Use commercial jets to long range patrol - they will outpace the Japanese fighters and fly at too high a level for them but they'll have radar to report on possible incoming. And Yuou'll have Pilots for them! Also airliners CAN be used for more though takes time so will be for post-defeat of invasion force:
Some suggested turning commercial jet liners into bombers but the Philippines doesn't have that capability. Remaining 747s and 737s can be used to reach the DT U.S., much to the shock of the downtimers there seeing a massive plane with jet turbines. Such a thing would be from fiction. The problem is if these future airplanes can land in Hickam Field. The place which would become Edwards AFB in California was flat ground perfect for landing of future 747s.
Hit the Japanese land airbases with Napalm - cheap easy spare the more specialized fewer munitions for the IJN and hit that Carrier. IJN was fairly notorious for bad damage control! Get the mother burning! The Battleships will be another matter - do the PAF 2006 have laserguided bombs?
Fuel? The NEI is just in the backyard - help the Dutch/Allies and get your share. The PAF does not have napalm though and laser guided bombs. Despite the setback, PAF pilots using the SF-260 and the OV-10 Bronco are adapt on using dumb cluser munitions. The PAF pilots have been practicing their dumb bombings without the use laser guidance. These tactics have been used against NPAs and Islamic insurgents to some devastating effect. There's fuel in the NEI and the South China Sea. Extracting them should be easier with UT technology. Important too note too the Philippine Navy did some sub hunting in the Cold War. It's alleged it sunk one Chinese submarine and damaged another around the 1950s. It also hunted possible Soviet subs that were possibly supplying arms to the Huks and the NPA. In 1996, one Miguel Malvar-class patrol boat and two Jose Andrada-class patrol boats engaged Chinese Huangfeng-class fast attack missile boats and emerged victorious. One Huangfeng was sunk and another was impounded. Luck was a factor because the Huangfeng boats were not armed with their Styx missiles, which would have easily targeted the Philippine vessels. Instead, it was a gun battle between .50 calibers, 30 calibers, M60 machine guns, M16s, and Type 56 rifles. The PN detained the Chinese sailors, where it was found they had fake names and fake IDs as a form of "plausible deniability" since it was discovered those Chinese sailors were involved in a commerce raid (aka piracy). China officially denied all involvement. THe DT USMC might want to see of the Philippine Navy's landing ships, which were mostly comprised of WWII LSTs that were handed down to South Vietnam. The Philippine Navy's largest landing ship would be the home-build Bacolod City-class LSVs, compromising of the BRP Bacolod City and BRP Dagupan City. In the 2011 thread, others have suggested reviving the Bataan nuclear power plant to produce crude nuclear weapons. Lots of possibilities here. Even the British, Commonwealth, KMT, Free French, the Soviets, and the Axis Powers of Germany and Italy would be interested with the M16 rifle. |
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Post by 575 on Nov 27, 2023 14:01:19 GMT
The landing beaches are in reach of Japanese land aircraft from Taiwan and Palau - with a few days respite it will be a question of finding those stored older jets that is the least workhungry for getting airborne in said few days - even a couple or three will count. Vietnam Era or Cold War will be fine if the brick will get into the air keep flying and deliver munitions. Of course they need Pilots too preferably some with experience of said aircraft as each may have its vices. (have a friend who's a former F-104 Pilot - even with its reputation of Flying Coffin he says it was a great aircraft if You were able to handle it) With the F-5 decomissioned they year before both should be a possible - even if just half of the 41 original aircraft (how many was written off during service thime? 10 is mentioned in the second thread - still a help) it will be a tremendous boost to Philippine capabilities as they will be able to hit in the North and East.
Use the knowledge already at hand to prepare defences and have a mobile Group in both Luzon and Mindanao to counter any deviation from OTL - shit may happen. I could see the F-5s being restored in the 2006 ISOT but not in the 2011 ISOT. The F-5s were already being chopped-up by 2011. History books will be very useful here. I'm sure libraries and colleges have it, along with the knowledge from surviving WWII veterans in the UT Philippines. Use commercial jets to long range patrol - they will outpace the Japanese fighters and fly at too high a level for them but they'll have radar to report on possible incoming. And Yuou'll have Pilots for them! Also airliners CAN be used for more though takes time so will be for post-defeat of invasion force:
Some suggested turning commercial jet liners into bombers but the Philippines doesn't have that capability. Remaining 747s and 737s can be used to reach the DT U.S., much to the shock of the downtimers there seeing a massive plane with jet turbines. Such a thing would be from fiction. The problem is if these future airplanes can land in Hickam Field. The place which would become Edwards AFB in California was flat ground perfect for landing of future 747s.
Hit the Japanese land airbases with Napalm - cheap easy spare the more specialized fewer munitions for the IJN and hit that Carrier. IJN was fairly notorious for bad damage control! Get the mother burning! The Battleships will be another matter - do the PAF 2006 have laserguided bombs?
Fuel? The NEI is just in the backyard - help the Dutch/Allies and get your share. The PAF does not have napalm though and laser guided bombs. Despite the setback, PAF pilots using the SF-260 and the OV-10 Bronco are adapt on using dumb cluser munitions. The PAF pilots have been practicing their dumb bombings without the use laser guidance. These tactics have been used against NPAs and Islamic insurgents to some devastating effect. There's fuel in the NEI and the South China Sea. Extracting them should be easier with UT technology. Important too note too the Philippine Navy did some sub hunting in the Cold War. It's alleged it sunk one Chinese submarine and damaged another around the 1950s. It also hunted possible Soviet subs that were possibly supplying arms to the Huks and the NPA. In 1996, one Miguel Malvar-class patrol boat and two Jose Andrada-class patrol boats engaged Chinese Huangfeng-class fast attack missile boats and emerged victorious. One Huangfeng was sunk and another was impounded. Luck was a factor because the Huangfeng boats were not armed with their Styx missiles, which would have easily targeted the Philippine vessels. Instead, it was a gun battle between .50 calibers, 30 calibers, M60 machine guns, M16s, and Type 56 rifles. The PN detained the Chinese sailors, where it was found they had fake names and fake IDs as a form of "plausible deniability" since it was discovered those Chinese sailors were involved in a commerce raid (aka piracy). China officially denied all involvement. THe DT USMC might want to see of the Philippine Navy's landing ships, which were mostly comprised of WWII LSTs that were handed down to South Vietnam. The Philippine Navy's largest landing ship would be the home-build Bacolod City-class LSVs, compromising of the BRP Bacolod City and BRP Dagupan City. In the 2011 thread, others have suggested reviving the Bataan nuclear power plant to produce crude nuclear weapons. Lots of possibilities here. Even the British, Commonwealth, KMT, Free French, the Soviets, and the Axis Powers of Germany and Italy would be interested with the M16 rifle. such a gun-nut!  |
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Post by gillan1220 on Nov 27, 2023 14:14:13 GMT
I could see the F-5s being restored in the 2006 ISOT but not in the 2011 ISOT. The F-5s were already being chopped-up by 2011. History books will be very useful here. I'm sure libraries and colleges have it, along with the knowledge from surviving WWII veterans in the UT Philippines. Some suggested turning commercial jet liners into bombers but the Philippines doesn't have that capability. Remaining 747s and 737s can be used to reach the DT U.S., much to the shock of the downtimers there seeing a massive plane with jet turbines. Such a thing would be from fiction. The problem is if these future airplanes can land in Hickam Field. The place which would become Edwards AFB in California was flat ground perfect for landing of future 747s. The PAF does not have napalm though and laser guided bombs. Despite the setback, PAF pilots using the SF-260 and the OV-10 Bronco are adapt on using dumb cluser munitions. The PAF pilots have been practicing their dumb bombings without the use laser guidance. These tactics have been used against NPAs and Islamic insurgents to some devastating effect. There's fuel in the NEI and the South China Sea. Extracting them should be easier with UT technology. Important too note too the Philippine Navy did some sub hunting in the Cold War. It's alleged it sunk one Chinese submarine and damaged another around the 1950s. It also hunted possible Soviet subs that were possibly supplying arms to the Huks and the NPA. In 1996, one Miguel Malvar-class patrol boat and two Jose Andrada-class patrol boats engaged Chinese Huangfeng-class fast attack missile boats and emerged victorious. One Huangfeng was sunk and another was impounded. Luck was a factor because the Huangfeng boats were not armed with their Styx missiles, which would have easily targeted the Philippine vessels. Instead, it was a gun battle between .50 calibers, 30 calibers, M60 machine guns, M16s, and Type 56 rifles. The PN detained the Chinese sailors, where it was found they had fake names and fake IDs as a form of "plausible deniability" since it was discovered those Chinese sailors were involved in a commerce raid (aka piracy). China officially denied all involvement. THe DT USMC might want to see of the Philippine Navy's landing ships, which were mostly comprised of WWII LSTs that were handed down to South Vietnam. The Philippine Navy's largest landing ship would be the home-build Bacolod City-class LSVs, compromising of the BRP Bacolod City and BRP Dagupan City. In the 2011 thread, others have suggested reviving the Bataan nuclear power plant to produce crude nuclear weapons. Lots of possibilities here. Even the British, Commonwealth, KMT, Free French, the Soviets, and the Axis Powers of Germany and Italy would be interested with the M16 rifle. such a gun-nut! The M4/M16, M14, FN FAL, Galil Ace, FAMAS, Steyr AUG, Pindad rifles, G3s, M60s, Ultimax 100s, G36, and Daewoo K3s would definitely be more advanced than what any Allied or Axis power has. Note all the guns I listed in 2006-2011 UT Philippines are what the military, police, coast guard, and presidential security forces use. This is not counting the Type 56 assault rifles and Czech Vz. 58 rifles used by the communist New People's Army. The Germans would be surprised how the UT Philippines have an uptime rifle design in which the STG was still being made in factories. They'd also be surprise why the M60 looks like an MG-34 and MG-42. The same for DT Mikhail Kalashnikov once he gets to see an NPA fighter holding a Chinese copy of his future invention. I guess the U.S. could easily reverse-engineer the M16 and the M14 for their DT forces. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Nov 27, 2023 16:56:53 GMT
Egypt from 21 July 1798 - right after the battle of the Pyramids - ISOT to 3000 BC
Napoleon is present and he knows the year he is in and decides to stay in Egypt. What happens to his 20,000 or so troops? Do they assimilate into Islamic culture?
What kind of influence does the new Egypt exert on the world of 3000 BC? Those 20,000 troops contain people of all walks of life and include probably all possible craftsmen. There are also numerous scientists present.
IMO initially he may face some opposition and uprisings as it happened in OTL in Cairo but he should be able to stabilize his rule especially if he converts to Islam. What happens once his rule is stable? He has numerous ships of the line to explore the unknown world of 3000 BC. What does he do?
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Dec 4, 2023 12:30:30 GMT
Iraq from 1990 ISOT to 2003.
The invasion is harder but how much harder?
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 4, 2023 14:28:53 GMT
Iraq from 1990 ISOT to 2003. The invasion is harder but how much harder? How harder? The B-2 is already in service. The B-2 and B-1 would conduct SEAD/DEAD and precision bombing. Storming Norman and Colin Powell, the Secretary of State as of 2003, would use their uptime knowledge to command forces where to attack Iraqi positions. |
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] What do France and Poland do to seek to avoid their OTL defeats? Does Mussolini decide to keep a much lower profile. How does the US and Japan react around other parts of the world. How does news of Indian independence and the bloodbath that results get handled in Britain and the various parts of India? [Ditto for the situation in Israel/Palestine and a lot of other places]. How many nations start emergency nuclear programmes? Many other nations are likely to change their actions.
Great minds think alike..
