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Post by 575 on Aug 4, 2023 19:46:09 GMT
USSR of 1950 to June 22 1941 USSR of 1950 to June 22 1941 Jetfighters but otherwise WWII equipment (still not Kalashnikov) and still rebuilding from WWII losses and devastation; oh well 4. Panzer Group and 18. Army lacking to German's as the Soviets have northern East Prussia and a 1941 Bulge around Bialystok.
However the Soviets still had some 300,000-400,000 troops in Poland, Petsamo Municipality are occupied by Soviet troops as are Karelia which probably rob the Finns of a major part of their Army, Hungary is occupied and the former Czech lands occupied by Hungary by 1941 is now Soviet territory though as the Hungarians didn't jump off till 1 July? it might not be all the devastating as they didn't declare war untill 27 June, some 30,000 troops in Romania, 1, 2, 4, Guard Tank Armies 3 Shock Army 8 Guard Army 49 Army 70 Army 16 Air Army (I presume the 1 Polish Army have left) in Soviet Occupation Zone of Germany, 1946 Soviet occupation of Austria amounted to 150,000 troops less 1950, add Soviet sizable troops in China/Manchuria and 50 IAD with MiG-15, Korea and Kuril Is.
Losing that many troops and having demobilized the Soviets won't be in good shape though the Germans will be very badly off in the North though the Soviets also have local resistance in the Baltics - Forest Brothers and such which seem to have amounted to a civil war by 1950 so some easing out of odds.
Not forgetting the Soviet Nuclear Programme they are still testing but could just switch to bombing Berlin and such as they have the Il-28 Beagle flying - early end to Nazi aspirations in the East. No Lend-Lease necessary. British are shocked as are the US though both freed up from fighting in Europe as it is soon Soviet occupied. Perhaps not even a War in the Pac as Uncle Joe may just go ahead and obliterated the Japanese as the Nuclear weapons go on-line production.
Orwell's 1984 no longer fiction! But with 2.5 million Soviet troops on the Iron Curtain and masses of uptime weapons, the Germans will be at a disadvantage. Stalin can even test the Tu-4 and drop the nuclear weapon on Berlin. I wonder how the DT Allies would react to a much more powerful Soviet Union. The Americans will be shocked to know that the Soviets caught up with them with intercontinental bombers and nuclear weapons. Both the B-29 and the atomic bomb for the American side is still in development. I also wonder how will Boeing react to knowing the Tu-4 was copied from their design that is still being produced or in prototype stage. However, as mighty as the USSR is, the U.S. Navy and the Royal Navy will still dominate the oceans. The Soviet troops on the Iron Curtain i.e. East - West Border in Europe are gone! Hence why I listed the various Soviet occupation troops. There is no uptime weapons only WWII arms. Soviets haven't got the Kalashnikov assaultrifle yet. There is T-34 and IS-I, II and III tanks and other 1945 outfit. The Soviets have MiG-15 jetfighters and Il-28 jetbombers but the rest is piston engined as the Tu-4 which as I understand is only produced by this time in small numbers. Problem for Soviets is so is the case with Nuclear weapons - if this is correct the Soviets made a test 1949 and none 1950 but two 1951. Didn't they have any ready by 1950?
Worst case scenario for Uncle Joe is try hold the line till the Nukes is available and use the Air technical supeority to bomb the hell out of the Germans focusing on HQs and POL as well as railways. The Germans are still badly off and Adoph may think twice when he hear about the disappearance of two Armies in East Prussia and demand the operation unfold anyways. With some bad experiences - the Germans did run into the T-34 during Barbarossa but here is some other monsters they don't have many means to counter.
Best case scenario for Uncle Joe is a nuke is ready so take out Berlin and end the charade.
Re Allies/British - well they may be happy that Adolph now have his hands full and see no need for supplying arms to the Soviets who have their factories up and running and knowing what the Germans are up to. If they get to know but surely the Polish resistance will inform them and Swedes and Finns too.
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Post by gillan1220 on Aug 5, 2023 12:47:38 GMT
But with 2.5 million Soviet troops on the Iron Curtain and masses of uptime weapons, the Germans will be at a disadvantage. Stalin can even test the Tu-4 and drop the nuclear weapon on Berlin. I wonder how the DT Allies would react to a much more powerful Soviet Union. The Americans will be shocked to know that the Soviets caught up with them with intercontinental bombers and nuclear weapons. Both the B-29 and the atomic bomb for the American side is still in development. I also wonder how will Boeing react to knowing the Tu-4 was copied from their design that is still being produced or in prototype stage. However, as mighty as the USSR is, the U.S. Navy and the Royal Navy will still dominate the oceans. The Soviet troops on the Iron Curtain i.e. East - West Border in Europe are gone! Hence why I listed the various Soviet occupation troops. There is no uptime weapons only WWII arms. Soviets haven't got the Kalashnikov assaultrifle yet. There is T-34 and IS-I, II and III tanks and other 1945 outfit. The Soviets have MiG-15 jetfighters and Il-28 jetbombers but the rest is piston engined as the Tu-4 which as I understand is only produced by this time in small numbers. Problem for Soviets is so is the case with Nuclear weapons - if this is correct the Soviets made a test 1949 and none 1950 but two 1951. Didn't they have any ready by 1950?
Worst case scenario for Uncle Joe is try hold the line till the Nukes is available and use the Air technical supeority to bomb the hell out of the Germans focusing on HQs and POL as well as railways. The Germans are still badly off and Adoph may think twice when he hear about the disappearance of two Armies in East Prussia and demand the operation unfold anyways. With some bad experiences - the Germans did run into the T-34 during Barbarossa but here is some other monsters they don't have many means to counter.
Best case scenario for Uncle Joe is a nuke is ready so take out Berlin and end the charade.
Re Allies/British - well they may be happy that Adolph now have his hands full and see no need for supplying arms to the Soviets who have their factories up and running and knowing what the Germans are up to. If they get to know but surely the Polish resistance will inform them and Swedes and Finns too.
The Red Army will be able to hold the line this time. The newer T-34s and the IS-1, IS-2, and IS-3 would be monsters that not even the strongest DT German tanks will be able to take on. Air superiority, the Soviets would deploy what few MiG-15s they have along with their Yak-52s, La-7s, and Sturmovik IL-2 close-air support aircraft. As of 1950, the Soviets had 5 nuclear weapons in their stockpile (Source: Global nuclear weapons inventories, 1945–2010). The Tu-4s could definitely deliver it to Berlin and maybe another few cities. Germany would be turned into an irradiated wasteland. The Allies would be thankful of the European front ending, but that also leaves a vast occupied land in complete disarray. Countries like France, the Netherlands, Belgium, and the Balkans would rise up now the Nazi high command has been decapitated. It won't be a happy ending for these countries though, as various factions would fall into infighting in trying to claim legitimacy after the Nazis are beaten. The uptime Red Army might even invade Manchuria and Korea much earlier than OTL. However, the Soviets still cannot invade Japan because the UT Soviet Navy was mostly a coastal defense force. The DT U.S. Navy, Royal Navy, Royal Canadian Navy, Royal Australian Navy, Royal New Zealand Navy, and the Royal Netherlands Navy still can control the seas with their battleships, battle cruisers, destroyers, and submarines. |
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Post by 575 on Aug 5, 2023 17:31:24 GMT
The Soviet troops on the Iron Curtain i.e. East - West Border in Europe are gone! Hence why I listed the various Soviet occupation troops. There is no uptime weapons only WWII arms. Soviets haven't got the Kalashnikov assaultrifle yet. There is T-34 and IS-I, II and III tanks and other 1945 outfit. The Soviets have MiG-15 jetfighters and Il-28 jetbombers but the rest is piston engined as the Tu-4 which as I understand is only produced by this time in small numbers. Problem for Soviets is so is the case with Nuclear weapons - if this is correct the Soviets made a test 1949 and none 1950 but two 1951. Didn't they have any ready by 1950?
Worst case scenario for Uncle Joe is try hold the line till the Nukes is available and use the Air technical supeority to bomb the hell out of the Germans focusing on HQs and POL as well as railways. The Germans are still badly off and Adoph may think twice when he hear about the disappearance of two Armies in East Prussia and demand the operation unfold anyways. With some bad experiences - the Germans did run into the T-34 during Barbarossa but here is some other monsters they don't have many means to counter.
Best case scenario for Uncle Joe is a nuke is ready so take out Berlin and end the charade.
Re Allies/British - well they may be happy that Adolph now have his hands full and see no need for supplying arms to the Soviets who have their factories up and running and knowing what the Germans are up to. If they get to know but surely the Polish resistance will inform them and Swedes and Finns too.
The Red Army will be able to hold the line this time. The newer T-34s and the IS-1, IS-2, and IS-3 would be monsters that not even the strongest DT German tanks will be able to take on. Air superiority, the Soviets would deploy what few MiG-15s they have along with their Yak-52s, La-7s, and Sturmovik IL-2 close-air support aircraft. As of 1950, the Soviets had 5 nuclear weapons in their stockpile (Source: Global nuclear weapons inventories, 1945–2010). The Tu-4s could definitely deliver it to Berlin and maybe another few cities. Germany would be turned into an irradiated wasteland. The Allies would be thankful of the European front ending, but that also leaves a vast occupied land in complete disarray. Countries like France, the Netherlands, Belgium, and the Balkans would rise up now the Nazi high command has been decapitated. It won't be a happy ending for these countries though, as various factions would fall into infighting in trying to claim legitimacy after the Nazis are beaten. The uptime Red Army might even invade Manchuria and Korea much earlier than OTL. However, the Soviets still cannot invade Japan because the UT Soviet Navy was mostly a coastal defense force. The DT U.S. Navy, Royal Navy, Royal Canadian Navy, Royal Australian Navy, Royal New Zealand Navy, and the Royal Netherlands Navy still can control the seas with their battleships, battle cruisers, destroyers, and submarines. Well that list does it - looked up quite a number of sites but always got the previous information one way or another. Case closed. German occupied territories - free for grabs - I'd expect Uncle Joe to export World Revolution of course supported by the Red Army that is needed to free the occupied peoples of the oppressors! Then its a free grab on the Eurasian Continent.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Aug 6, 2023 11:47:35 GMT
US of 2020 ISOT to June 25th 1950 (start of the Korean War).
How to win the Cold War quickly?
Does US know where Stalin is at the moment? If yes, does killing him make sense?
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Post by gillan1220 on Aug 6, 2023 15:25:04 GMT
US of 2020 ISOT to June 25th 1950 (start of the Korean War). How to win the Cold War quickly? Does US know where Stalin is at the moment? If yes, does killing him make sense? American wank timeline. Anyhow, the U.S. can raze Moscow easily without using nukes. A single B-2 can easily fly through Soviet air defenses without being shot down. A single JDAM can destroy a huge bloc of Moscow. Or even a Tomahawks launched from Ohio-class SSGNs can strike the Kremlin easily. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Aug 6, 2023 15:32:19 GMT
US of 2020 ISOT to June 25th 1950 (start of the Korean War). How to win the Cold War quickly? Does US know where Stalin is at the moment? If yes, does killing him make sense? American wank timeline. Anyhow, the U.S. can raze Moscow easily without using nukes. A single B-2 can easily fly through Soviet air defenses without being shot down. A single JDAM can destroy a huge bloc of Moscow. Or even a Tomahawks launched from Ohio-class SSGNs can strike the Kremlin easily. Yes but that's not the point. The point is to end the Cold War with minimal bloodshed. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Aug 6, 2023 16:41:23 GMT
Romania from January 1990 ISOT to January 1940. Romanian army equipment en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_the_Socialist_Republic_of_RomaniaWe have an already democratic Romania that is thrown into the time of ww2. What does the future hold for Romania? It's army whoops asses of whoever happens to try to attack it. But who would? What would the Germans do? What would thf Soviets do? Remember that January 1940 is before the annexation of Moldova by the USSR. Does it mean there is a potentisl Soviet-Romanian war in the making? |
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Post by stevep on Aug 6, 2023 21:45:20 GMT
Romania from January 1990 ISOT to January 1940. Romanian army equipment en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_the_Socialist_Republic_of_RomaniaWe have an already democratic Romania that is thrown into the time of ww2. What does the future hold for Romania? It's army whoops asses of whoever happens to try to attack it. But who would? What would the Germans do? What would thf Soviets do? Remember that January 1940 is before the annexation of Moldova by the USSR. Does it mean there is a potentisl Soviet-Romanian war in the making?
Best bet might be them warning the western allies about forthcoming events - preferably as quietly as possibly - then getting involved themselves. - Although I doubt they could keep that many details secret for long.
Germany is the big real threat to them, especially given the concessions it forced them to make to Hungary and Bulgaria as well as the Soviets. Plus knocking Germany out quickly - which would also keep Italy quiet - means they have support from a victorious western alliance against any threats from the east.
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Post by 575 on Aug 7, 2023 7:43:43 GMT
American wank timeline. Anyhow, the U.S. can raze Moscow easily without using nukes. A single B-2 can easily fly through Soviet air defenses without being shot down. A single JDAM can destroy a huge bloc of Moscow. Or even a Tomahawks launched from Ohio-class SSGNs can strike the Kremlin easily. Yes but that's not the point. The point is to end the Cold War with minimal bloodshed. You should put such point into the original post - there are ways of attaining minimal bloodshed but when also a quick win is in the cards things may be a little difficult. 1 Gulf War was quick but not with minimal bloodshed - of course pertaining to Your definition of minimal bloodshed! |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Aug 8, 2023 13:44:08 GMT
Albania from 1980 ISOT to April 7 1939.
Does Stalin gain an ally?
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Post by gillan1220 on Aug 8, 2023 14:07:27 GMT
Albania from 1980 ISOT to 1939. Does Stalin gain an ally? No. Albania already split from the Soviets to pursue an independent communist foreign policy. Tirana did align with Beijing in 1968. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Aug 8, 2023 14:10:12 GMT
Albania from 1980 ISOT to 1939. Does Stalin gain an ally? No. Albania already split from the Soviets to pursue an independent communist foreign policy. Tirana did align with Beijing in 1968. Do the Germans attack it once the Italians fail to conquer a much stronger Albania? Would be nice to see the famous bunkers put to action finally. |
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Post by 575 on Aug 8, 2023 16:44:36 GMT
No. Albania already split from the Soviets to pursue an independent communist foreign policy. Tirana did align with Beijing in 1968. Do the Germans attack it once the Italians fail to conquer a much stronger Albania? Would be nice to see the famous bunkers put to action finally. Why would they? It's Poland on the agenda. No bleed'in bleed'in German borders in Albania! |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Aug 9, 2023 4:39:29 GMT
China from 1937 to 1894 (start of the First Sino-Japanese War)
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Post by 575 on Aug 9, 2023 8:11:39 GMT
China from 1937 to 1894 (start of the First Sino-Japanese War) How much of China? Situation 1937:
Marco Polo Bridge incident 7 July 1937.
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