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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 31, 2022 20:33:40 GMT
Make Ancient Egypt have colonies in either the Mediterranean or East Africa or both before 1000 BC
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Post by American hist on Feb 18, 2022 0:33:56 GMT
Unlike the ancient Greeks The ancient Egyptian empire oddly didn’t like to establish Egyptian colonies outside there home land as much and its soldiers if they died in a foreign land they tried to have there remains move back to Egypt.
Instead they preferred making other weaker nations pay Tribute to them.
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Post by shadow007 on Jun 19, 2022 2:03:36 GMT
Only way that happens is Ancient Egypt's population explodes to the point they make colonies. Maybe more food harvested or better technology.
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Post by stevep on Jun 19, 2022 14:07:04 GMT
Make Ancient Egypt have colonies in either the Mediterranean or East Africa or both before 1000 BC
Well they did frequently rule parts of Nubia, of Syria and Palestine and of parts of Libya. Also, at least under the Ptomaines - albeit way after your preferred date - had a major fleet and ruled Cyprus and neighbouring areas for a while.
I think E Africa might be too far with the technology of the time plus as American historian says they seem to have preferred to distinguish between Egypt itself and any colonies which might be a serious problem for permanent possessions. However could possibly see themselves establishing control of the Aden straits and possibly a good chunk of Yemen which would given them domination of certain trade routes.
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Post by oscssw on Jun 21, 2022 12:14:15 GMT
Unlike the ancient Greeks The ancient Egyptian empire oddly didn’t like to establish Egyptian colonies outside there home land as much and its soldiers if they died in a foreign land they tried to have there remains move back to Egypt. Instead they preferred making other weaker nations pay Tribute to them. Re: "its soldiers if they died in a foreign land they tried to have there remains move back to Egypt." Not much has changed.
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The Nav has graciously authorized the use of a sanitary barge for my burial at sea as long as it did not interfere with the barges essential business. 
They will not play Taps at my send off. I consider that the most depressing song I ever heard. Instead I have request they play the Theme form the Wackiest ship in The army
I'd have been a very happy man to have gotten Chief Petty Officer MacCarthy (played superbly by Mike Kellin) billet on the Echo.
It is actually plagiarized from an old sailing song A Capital ship for a Sailing ship. Here is my Eulogy from the same source: Enjoy
A Capital Ship
by Charles Edward Carryl
A capital ship for an ocean trip
Was the 'Walloping Window Blind'
No wind that blew dismayed her crew
Or troubled the captain's mind
The man at the wheel was made to feel
Contempt for the wildest blow-ow-ow
Tho' it oft appeared when the gale had cleared
That he'd been in his bunk below
So, blow ye winds, heigh-ho
A-roving I will go
I'll stay no more on England's shore
So let the music play-ay-ay
I'm off for the morning train
To cross the raging main
I'm off to my love with a boxing glove
10,000 miles away
The bos'un's mate was very sedate
Yet fond of amusement too
He played hop-scotch with the starboard watch
While the captain tickled the crew
The gunner he was apparently mad
For he sat on the after ra-ra-rail
And fired salutes with the captain's boots
In the teeth of a booming gale
The captain sat on the commodore's hat
And dined in a royal way
Off pickles & figs & little roast pigs
And gunners bread each day
The cook was Dutch and behaved as such
For the diet he served the crew-ew-ew
Was a couple of tons of hot-cross buns
Served up with sugar and glue
Then we all fell ill as mariners will
On a diet that's rough and crude
And we shivered and shook as we dipped the cook
In a tub of his gluesome food
All nautical pride we cast aside
And we ran the vessel asho-o-ore
On the Gulliby Isles where the poopoo smiles
And the rubbily ubdugs roar
Composed of sand was that favored land
And trimmed with cinnamon straws
And pink and blue was the pleasing hue
Of the ticke-toe teaser's claws
We sat on the edge of a sandy ledge
And shot at the whistling bee-ee-ee
While the rugabug bats wore waterproof hats
As they dipped in the shining sea
On rugabug bark from dawn till dark
We dined till we all had grown
Uncommonly shrunk when a Chinese junk
Came up from the Torrible Zone
She was stubby and square, but we didn't much care
So we cherrily put to sea-ea-ea
And we left all the crew of the junk to chew
On the bark of the rubabug tree.
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Post by American hist on Aug 8, 2022 14:37:00 GMT
Some thing to point out Egypt of course wasn’t invincible . Besides bullying nations for tribute they liked to extract war plunder from military campaigns.
Even iron fist nations such as the Roman Empire could and were beaten.
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Post by American hist on Oct 19, 2022 5:09:42 GMT
these holdings could still be semi-independent because Egypt was interested as long if you paid tribute, they were less concerning of poltics happening in those countries. Crete had traded with ancient Egypt, but to go west of Egypt is dessert such as Libya. E
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Post by michelvan on Oct 19, 2022 10:22:17 GMT
The Biggest issue we have with this AHC
So far i know, the ancient Egypt were not very good in seafaring.
They focus on land warfare and since Egypt was surrounded by Desert.
With areas they could reach, what let to maximum expansion of Egypt empire we know.
This mostly do Egypt geographic, one of driest desert in World were river Nile flow and bring needed Water.
Egypt people life concentrate at long the river Nile.
But what about ancient Egypt expanding south along the river Nile, until they reach the fertile soil of today Sudan ?
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Post by stevep on Oct 19, 2022 13:12:02 GMT
The Biggest issue we have with this AHC So far i know, the ancient Egypt were not very good in seafaring. They focus on land warfare and since Egypt was surrounded by Desert. With areas they could reach, what let to maximum expansion of Egypt empire we know. This mostly do Egypt geographic, one of driest desert in World were river Nile flow and bring needed Water. Egypt people life concentrate at long the river Nile. But what about ancient Egypt expanding south along the river Nile, until they reach the fertile soil of today Sudan ?
Well they did occupy or indirectly rule much of OTL Sudan - don't think they got as far as OTL South Sudan. Along with areas in Palestine and Syria. However they never seemed to make such occupations permanent in terms of having the locals view themselves as Egyptians.
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Post by michelvan on Oct 19, 2022 15:30:09 GMT
Well they did occupy or indirectly rule much of OTL Sudan - don't think they got as far as OTL South Sudan. Along with areas in Palestine and Syria. However they never seemed to make such occupations permanent in terms of having the locals view themselves as Egyptians The Egypt new Kingdom manage to conquer north Sudan to 5th Katarakt in 1500 bc and stay 500 years. As they left the area, the Kingdom of Kush culture was more ancient Egypt as Egypt it self and survived to 300AD. |
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Post by American hist on Oct 20, 2022 2:15:02 GMT
The Egyptians expanded in Cannia and reached turkey because the land was of value. In anchient egypt i rember the dead was associated with the west and If i rember right this was also apart of the Egyptian religion rises in the east sets in the west
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Post by Max Sinister on Oct 20, 2022 3:28:20 GMT
At first I thought "And there's no other such place on Earth like the Nile valley", but then I remembered Mesopotamia. What about that? If anything, this place should be geographically somewhat similar. Same or similar plants to grow, same or similar animals...
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Post by stevep on Oct 21, 2022 18:56:54 GMT
At first I thought "And there's no other such place on Earth like the Nile valley", but then I remembered Meospotamia. What about that? If anything, this place should be geographically somewhat similar. Same or similar plants to grow, same or similar animals...
If you mean Egyptian conquest I think it was somewhat too far for the Egyptian resources as it had its own substantial culture and economic base. Places like Babylon or some of the Assyrian settlements would be difficult to conquer and then control.
In terms of why it stayed fragmented unlike Egypt for much of its ancient history that seems to be partly it started out that way. Also it was continually exposed to outside forces, from Anatolia and Iran that meant a frequent change of leadership and culture. No state emerged and lasted long enough to unite Mesopotamia against both internal differences and external threats until Cyrus and the Persians came in from outside and established a lasting unity.
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Post by Max Sinister on Oct 22, 2022 1:27:29 GMT
It would be kind of a wank, admittedly. At least it'd be new...
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Post by stevep on Oct 22, 2022 12:36:26 GMT
It would be kind of a wank, admittedly. At least it'd be new...
Well I do admit that the late Assyrian empire at its height did hold virtually all the fertile crescent, including Egypt for a while but seems to have suffered considerable overstretch in the process which helped speed its collapse.
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