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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 27, 2022 16:36:55 GMT
Given that they were known already in 17th century, why were they adopted en masse only in 1870s?
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 27, 2022 17:39:47 GMT
Wouldn't this be more of a General Historical Discussion topic, though?
In which case, maybe you should have Lord Roel move it?
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Post by lordroel on Jan 27, 2022 17:46:16 GMT
Wouldn't this be more of a General Historical Discussion topic, though? In which case, maybe you should have Lord Roel move it? , if it was discussing about history of the gun, it would be moved to the General Historical Discussion, but i think Otto Kretschmer, ask, what if metal cartridges entered into service earlier than OTL, ore am i wrong. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 27, 2022 17:51:09 GMT
You are right
It is about metal cartridges not the gun. The gun is only there to demonstrate the cartridge
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Post by lordroel on Jan 27, 2022 17:54:46 GMT
You are right It is about metal cartridges not the gun. The gun is only there to demonstrate the cartridge What time frame in the 17th Century are we speaking of and which country would be the first to field it. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 27, 2022 17:56:42 GMT
You are right It is about metal cartridges not the gun. The gun is only there to demonstrate the cartridge What time frame in the 17th Century are we speaking of and which country would be the first to field it. I think it should be moved. I only put the thread here due to being used to AH.com which does not have a subforum for non AH history |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 27, 2022 18:00:23 GMT
What time frame in the 17th Century are we speaking of and which country would be the first to field it. I think it should be moved. I only put the thread here due to being used to AH.com which does not have a subforum for non AH history Where do you want it move to, General Historical Discussion. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 27, 2022 18:07:08 GMT
Yes..
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Post by belushitd on Feb 10, 2022 16:11:08 GMT
I believe it was only advent of hydraulics (and, to a lesser extent, electricity) that permitted the mass manufacture of the metal cartridge. Otherwise, except for serious wars (ACW) where a large cost per shot was acceptable, the advantages didn't outweigh the disadvantages. Remember, it wasn't until the ACW that the idea that people might need more than 60 rounds in a battle was really first taken seriously.
I may be wrong, and I have nothing to back this up.
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Post by miletus12 on Mar 11, 2022 15:08:13 GMT
Given that they were known already in 17th century, why were they adopted en masse only in 1870s? Simple. 1. Metallic brass extrusion was mechanically possible, but roundness of case cylinder and an extraction method for hot expanded brass cases inside steel barrels was not reliable or even invented until Spencer and Remington solved it for long arms in the ACW. 2. Even then, brass cases JAMMED in the breech and a special pry tool was included with the first rifles and NAVAL GUNS to extract jammed breech occluded cases wedged in too tight and deformed by propellant deflagration. It was not until after WWI that the jam in the breech problem was solved to the point that it was an annoyance. 3. As recently as the Vietnam war, 1 and 2 were still a problem. The M-16s had extraction failures. |
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